Decision Time Folks~!


Ala Dan
November 21, 2006, 03:57 PM
Greeting's Folk's-

I was just sitting here wondering, in your honest to goodness opinion
what is the best kept secret in the world of self-loading semi auto type
pistols? I'm speaking primarily of quality and price.:uhoh:

In my way of thinking, it comes down to either the S&W 1911's or the
new Taurus 1911. Value wise, the Taurus would be hard too beat. But,
in terms of quality I think the nod has too go to the S&W
1911's~!:cool: What do you think?:D

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November 21, 2006, 04:11 PM worth 1000 words. :evil:

November 21, 2006, 04:35 PM
If you are talking value, and a hook, then the Taurus gets the nod. I've been eyeing one of those myself to go with my other 1911's. To me, there is something very appealing about the Taurus - similar to how I feel about the Makarov. The S&W 1911 is too mainstream and doesn't come off as very interesting and/or an undiscovered great buy*.

* That is not to say the S&W isn't worth owning.

Bazooka Joe71
November 21, 2006, 04:46 PM
Well its not a secret, but IMO any flavor of the CZ 75B is the best quality for the price.

Frandy, those are some sweet grips!

Ala Dan
November 21, 2006, 05:20 PM
Yes Frandy My Friend-

I'm impressed a lot by those S&W's myself~!:) So much so, that I bought
one of the 5" basic stainless versions [product code 108282] NIB myself.
I couldn't turn it down, as it only cost me $640 + 9% sales tax~!:cool: :D

I really needed it, like a need a whole in my head; as I already
own a new Les Baer Thunder Ranch 1911~!

I luv those beautiful grips on your weapon.

November 21, 2006, 06:05 PM
Dumb question: have the external extractors on the S&W caused the trouble that the external extractors on the early Kimbers did?

Or have those problems been blown out of proportion?

November 21, 2006, 06:39 PM
Let's go off the 1911 reservation for a moment. For price and quality in a semiautomatic, I think the S&W 5906 should get the nod. You can find police trade-in 5906s with lots of holster wear but few rounds down the barrel for $250-$300 or you can step up to virtually pristine 5906s for about $400. Given the quality and craftsmanship of the Third Generation S&Ws, it's a hard deal to beat.

November 21, 2006, 06:43 PM
For quality vs. price in a self loading pistol, I honestly think the bulk of the Ruger P series is a winner. You can find them slightly used all the time for not a lot of money, and it's honestly the cheapest gun I'd carry into the most God awful situations I could imagine.

It's not my favorite gun by a long shot and I didn't get along with my P89 too much, but I did respect it. I've got a P95 which isn't my favorite either, but it's solid brother.

November 21, 2006, 06:50 PM
I've been toying with the idea of a Taurus PT-1911 for a while. I like the features/value for the money. I currently own a Taurus PT-45 sub compact (carry weapon), Taurus PT-145 24/7 Full size 45 Auto and both have worked flawlessly for me. In addition, they carry a lifetime warranty which is transferrable to the new owner. Haven't had to use it, but nice to know it's there.

My experience with Taurus has been very positive..Your mileage may vary.

Barn Dog
November 21, 2006, 07:40 PM
Bazooka Joe is correct. CZ 75 hands down.

November 21, 2006, 07:48 PM
Value? IMO, it's Colt & their pony :D

They're the best base guns to break yourself in to them & when you start modifying them, they wear the work well :cool:

November 21, 2006, 07:50 PM
Tanfoglio Witness Elite Match in your favorite caliber...$429 OTD at my FFL

J. Parker
November 21, 2006, 08:04 PM
IMO, the only 1911 that is the HANDS DOWN value, quality, and price champ is the Norinco 1911. The other HANDS DOWN price and value champ is the Ruger P95.


November 21, 2006, 08:13 PM
Ho Hum. Not this again.

Bazooka Joe71
November 21, 2006, 08:18 PM
Yeah, I'm with Cheifthunderstick, enough of this "which model is better" crap...Lets get to the real question.

Which caliber is better, 9mm, .40S&W, or .45ACP??????? :evil:

November 21, 2006, 08:32 PM
What is it the Human Torch says...... Oh yeah, Flame on!:D

Dave P
November 21, 2006, 08:32 PM
Joe - get with the program, will ya'?

10mm Witness Match is the answer to the question!

November 21, 2006, 08:38 PM
I have a 10mm steel Witness. I paid about $350 for it. It's solid, reliable and accurate.

November 21, 2006, 09:01 PM
CZ75B in 40S&W, with an honorable mention to the S&W M&P40.

November 21, 2006, 09:15 PM
What about (in the context of a Taurus PT 1911) an STI Spartan?

November 21, 2006, 09:46 PM
Caspian Frame & Slide - 1911 45ACP

Caspian Frame & Slide - 1911 in 9x23. Gets one added distinction.


November 21, 2006, 09:50 PM
Value and quality, and not overly popular?
Taurus 24/7.

November 21, 2006, 10:00 PM

November 21, 2006, 10:07 PM
How does a Springfield Mil-Spec or GI 1911 compare to a Taurus? The Springfield does not appear to cost that much more.

For straight-on value I don't think you can do much better than the Ruger P-series or Bersa.

November 21, 2006, 10:21 PM
Best values in current semi-auto handguns:

-Any Taurus (except the PT22/PT25)
-FN FNP (priced around Ruger and Taurus prices, but an FN)
-Used S&W

All of these will be reliable and accurate, with good fit and finish (inside and out) and have decent prices.

I'd like to agree with you on the S&W 1911s, but value also means low prices. I do believe from what I've been reading that the S&W 1911s may be the most reliable 1911s currently on the market, but they aren't inexpensive. I paid more for the 1911SC I put on layaway than I would have for a Kimber Pro Carry by about $100.

November 21, 2006, 10:43 PM
Without a doubt it's the EAA Witness Elite Match, if you've shot one you know. Very well finished, extremely accurate, excellent trigger. And they sell at the gun shows here for $399. Available in 9mm/.38 Super/.40/10mm/.45.

November 21, 2006, 10:45 PM

November 22, 2006, 12:26 AM
Ala Dan my friend, the best non-kept secret in all of guns is the CZ line. I don't remember if you have owned one or not at this moment, but if you haven't owned one you MUST get a 75 or an 85 series pistol NEXT!!!!!!! They are the best value in handguns that I am aware of at this time, including all others. The prices on CZ's are climbing, slowly but steadily, as people catch on. Within a few years they will command the same prices as Sigs and HK, every bit as good and a good deal better in some ways when compared to both brands.

November 22, 2006, 07:02 AM
I'm happy with my Colt Governments and Gold Cups. I haven't seen any reason for me to change.

November 22, 2006, 07:14 AM
Between the 2 models you asked about, the S&W:)

November 22, 2006, 11:41 AM
CZ easily. THough, they are very quickly catching on, and the price is going up.

I'll give an honorable mention to the Witness line. They can be very good pistols (if you get lucky). Unfortunately EAA (the importer) seems to be doing everything in their power to turn off customers.

November 22, 2006, 11:54 AM
Loved my CZ SP-01, but happy I sold it to fund my SW1911. Both equally accurate, but the Smith just has something that makes me want to shoot it more. My shooting buddies agree, but none of us can put a finger on it.

Chuck R.
November 22, 2006, 05:58 PM
Well, you asked for an opinion of quality and price, not necessarily inexpensive or cheap & well made.

So for the money, I'd say a Les Baer PII.

Semi-Custom, you can get it "your way"
well made

It's not inexpensive, but they can be had for around $13-1400. And there's NOTHING else that needs to be done to one, no parts swapping, no tweaking.


November 22, 2006, 06:25 PM
springfield, springfield, springfield....
I dont have the link to the testing that the FBI went through to find they were the winner of the contest, but it was very thorough. (im sure you can find it in the archives or just searching the net). This speaks volumes to me. I do think smith-wesson is quality though, and you probably couldnt go wrong as they are VERY reputable.

If it were my money, id go springer....

Ala Dan
November 23, 2006, 03:27 PM
Greeting's All-

Here is a pic of my S&W 1911 that I picked up a few weeks ago. Its a basic
stainless model, product code (108282)~! Enjoy:D

November 24, 2006, 12:42 PM
If CZ's are such a secret, why are there so many posts on these forums about them? Sure they're a great gun for less than most of the competition, but not exactly a secret any more.


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