Wolf ammo in my xd?


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possum
November 25, 2006, 03:36 AM
i know i know what people say, but i have put my xd through hell doing different torture test and have decided to try some wolf as a matter of fact this portion of the torture test calls for 1000rds of wolf 180gr fmj's in my xd without a cleanning. i am not asking if i should use wolf, but i am asking has anyone tried it and what was the outcome? i have read several gun magazines, and the wolf does pretty good in some guns, and shoots better as far as accuracy as other more expensive loads. i normally use brass cased ammo but i have so much .40 brass now i don't know what to do with all of it. i have enough to last me a lifetime. so any experience with wolf in a handgun? i use it alot in my ak, ar and sks, any replies would be appreciated thanks!

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BIGDADDYLONGSTROKE
November 25, 2006, 07:44 AM
I have had wolf jam up in my ar before, but as far as my xd .45 I shoot blazer ulminum casing through it all the time with no problem and have shot steel casing (forget the brand) with no problem either. Only problem I have had is it takes even longer to clean shoots pretty dirty.

FieroCDSP
November 25, 2006, 07:53 AM
I don't have an XD, but as far as my .40 goes, Wolf fires just fine. It's a pain to get all the little flecks of varnish from every part of the action, but nothing you cant handle. I view it as familiarization with the pistol. One thing I ran into was case jams after a hundred rounds or so. THe varnish deposited would melt in the hot chamber and stick the cases to it as they fired. Take some cleaning gear with you and if you get a stuck case at any point, scrub your chamber. The first and second stuck cases are warnings of the impending dowel-rod removal of the third or fourth.

Ala Dan
November 25, 2006, 09:15 AM
I haven't tried WOLFF in my Springer XD, and probably NEVER will;
muchless in any of my other guns~!;) :D

Cousin Mike
November 25, 2006, 09:33 AM
When I first got my Sig P220 I decided to torture it a little to test it's reliability, and did something pretty similar. 500 rounds of wolf, and 500 rounds of some aluminim cased CCI crap that jammed my 1911 up nice and good. The Sig held up, FWIW. :)

It might be fun to see your gun stand up to all that and keep on keepin' on - but you're not going to like cleaning it very much when you're finished. If you're going to clean it after 1000 rounds of Wolf, wear REALLY old clothes because that's going to be a big mess.

And if you're going to fire 1000 rounds of Wolf, I'd almost advise wearing some sort of gas mask. Every time I've used that stuff I can taste it for 3 days afterwards... :barf:

Walkalong
November 25, 2006, 09:44 AM
I'm scared to shoot Wolf Ammo. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I like my guns too much. I know some people shoot it regular. Thats OK, just not for me.

michiganfan
November 25, 2006, 10:08 AM
Not going to pay 500 for a pistol and then feed it Wolf. Wolf is for my commie guns.

.357 magnum
November 25, 2006, 11:54 AM
Possum you are a great guy, so I gotta tell ya I think wolf ammo leaves a lot to be desired. I used it a couple of times and I am not impressed . Pain in the butt to clean. I know the XD can take take it, I own two XD .45acp's, but do yourself a favor and use something else. The only torture is going to be on you, when it comes time to clean the gun.

Take Care-and have fun shooting that XD!

possum
November 25, 2006, 12:28 PM
thanks guys for all the replies, losts of good first hand experiences. and of course i knew i would get alot of the :what: nnnnnnnooooooooooooooo!!!!!!:cuss: buts thats cool. yeah i am sure it will be a filthy sob, but I like getting down and dirty! fun fun!:)

HGUNHNTR
November 25, 2006, 12:37 PM
I would never use it, however a co-worker put several hundred through his XD9, and ended up with a broken extractor. Any time you put steel on steel ie steel cased wolf into your chamber, and extractor, bad things happen. They may not happen right away, but it will be detrimental to your gun. If you like your XD stay away from wolf

10-Ring
November 25, 2006, 02:03 PM
I'm not a Wolf ammo fan so I stay away from it...and you should too if you value your firearms

mljdeckard
November 25, 2006, 05:43 PM
I may ultimately be superstitious, but I will keep the philosophy that I would prefer to never use inferior ammo in my guns and therefore never find out it might work just fine, than try it and injure them.

I had never glanced at Wolf ammo until a few years ago when a friend of mine acquired a Makarov, and he asked me my opinion, and I was caught off guard, I didn't know anything about it.

I have since come to a general, but safe conclusion. It's ok to use Russian ammo in Russian guns. Go ahead and shoot Wolf through your SKS, AK, Makarov, etc, but DON'T shoot it in your Mini-30, AR, or any conventional western firearm. the Russians designed cheap arms to eat up cheap ammo. If you want to shoot the cheap 5.56, get the AK models chambered for it and use it in them, NOT your Mini-14 or ARs.

Green Lantern
November 25, 2006, 06:19 PM
the Russians designed cheap arms to eat up cheap ammo.

Then wouldn't it follow that an expensive arm should be able to "take" cheap ammo even better?

I've only used 7.62x39, .380, and 9mm Wolf. Yeah, my SKS eats up the 7.62. My normally flawless Bersa Thunder .380 turned into a JAM-O-MATIC with the Wolf. :barf: My G19 had no troubles with the...say 50 or so rounds I put through it. But that was about when I started hearing things like "the steel case will break the internal parts of the gun" and got scared of it...:o

.357 magnum
November 25, 2006, 06:31 PM
I really agree with the rest of the guy's, you do not want to damage your gun. I would think up some other torture test. Hey HGUNHNTR How did you like that win on Friday? Some of those trick play's were a lot of fun! On to the Big 12 Championship!

Have a Good one!

Skywarp
November 25, 2006, 06:55 PM
I dont like how dirty it is. When I worked at an indoor range you could always see where people shot wolf. It left this funky greenish black residue everywhere.

daysleeprx
November 25, 2006, 07:27 PM
Wolf is very dirty; for cheap range ammo I like CCI Blazer.

cracked junior
November 25, 2006, 07:43 PM
i have shot 450 rounds of the 500 wolf 45 acp fmj i ordered. so far havent had a malfunction with my xd 5 inch. i can say. it is dirty, and its not accurate. on a few of the steel cases. if you look closely, its kind of bulged on one side. you have to look closely to see it.

Dave Markowitz
November 25, 2006, 08:17 PM
Some guns will run OK with Wolf, others won't. The only way to know if your gun will work OK with it is to try a couple of boxes.

The only Wolf handgun ammo I've shot is a few hundred rounds of .45 ACP 230 grain FMJ. I shot it in my Springfield Loaded 1911A1 and my Ruger P-90. It functions fine in both pieces and accuracy in my guns in on par with WWB. I have had one or two rounds which required a second hit on the primer to fire, so based on that Wolf is training ammo ONLY IMO.

WRT to the steel cases: they are mild steel, much softer than your extractor. Much US military .45 ACP made during WW2 had steel cases. I can't say about the XDs, but Ruger states in the owner's manual for their P-guns (P-89, P-90, etc.) that they are designed for all factory ammunition with brass or steel cases.

And as for it being dirty ... so what! The fouling wipes off easily, and the ammo is cheap.

salvador31c
November 25, 2006, 09:42 PM
Shot 500rds of wolf outa my Glock 30 One day, it all ran through it fine it was dirty, inaccurate but it still went bang, but why not right, for the price 500rds for $70 that i paid, it was well worth it

wally
November 25, 2006, 10:22 PM
I've not had any issues with Wolf in any 9mm, .40S&W or .45ACP guns. The polymer coated current stuff is different (better) than the older lacquer coated stuff (which never gave me problems either).

I do find magazine issues in .40S&W and .45ACP because the coated steel cases seem to have more friction than does brass or aluminum which sometimes causes the rounds to bind in the mag leading to feed failures. I find Para Ordnance mags pretty much unusable with Wolf in .40 and .45 because the feed failures are too common to be any fun at all.

Never had an issue with the 9mm but I didn't shoot much of it (about 4000 rounds) since in 9mm the CCI Aluminum Blazer has usually been cheaper. I've shot up about 12000 rounds of .45 and about 2500 rounds of the .40S&W. I've pretty much stopped buying it as the price has gone up enough the past six months that I can find brass cased reloadable ammo for $40 or less extra per case which is a better buy because of the value of once-fired brass.

Wolf .380ACP "copper washed" steel cases is really weird. My CZ83 and my Wife's Beretta 86 Cheetah loves the stuff, whereas my P3AT and SMC-380 (PPK clone) won't shoot a 20 rounds without and extraction or ejection problem. What's strange is the Beretta 86 completely lacks an extractor yet its fantastic with Wolf (both accuracy and reliability).

I think if Wolf breaks your gun you need a better gun, but fact is some guns just don't work with some ammo and vice-versa no matter what the brands of gun or ammo.

I've run a couple of boxes of Wolf thru my XD45 without any failures. YMMV.

I don't find Wolf to be particularly dirty, but then I use Unique for my reloads so maybe I have a different threshold, but I only take down and clean my guns after having problems and anything than won't go at least 1000 rounds without a takedown rather quickly becomes a safe queen. I can't find the time to keep up with my reloading (hence all the Wolf and other cheap ammo) and clenaing guns (and magazines) really eats into my time for reloading.

--wally.

HGUNHNTR
November 26, 2006, 09:47 AM
Loved it 357 magnum, OU is next!

Wedge
November 26, 2006, 09:52 AM
Ran 150 rounds through my Glock 17. It was super dirty, smelled bad and took me nearly 30 minutes to clean the gun and it still had a nice nasty wolf smell to it.

Redneck with a 40
November 26, 2006, 02:39 PM
My XD will never see any Wolf ammo. I'm not putting cheap, dirty, inconsistent, steel cased ammo in a $500 pistol. I value my guns way to much to feed them crap. I currently reload very high quality ammo in 40 S&W for $5.50/50. I have no reason to bother with anything else, much less Wolf.

One caveat; my SKS loves Wolf ammo, feeds it great, very accurate. This gun was designed for this ammo, thats the difference.

SuperNaut
November 26, 2006, 02:57 PM
The dirty thing is the deal breaker for me. I got a really good deal on 1000 rounds of Wolf .45 and I can't wait to eat through it because cleaning my guns afterward is a nightmare. My CX4 was the worst for some reason (blowback?), it is as if I poured sand down into the damn gun. Collected grains of varnish were everywhere inside.

That red garbage on the primer is a pain to scrub off as well. Wolf is cheap for a reason. The money you save is more than offset by the time it takes to clean. It stops being a deal real quick.

Black Snowman
November 26, 2006, 10:44 PM
I put about 300 rounds of Wolf 180 gr 40 S&W through my CZ 75B during a defensive shooting course a few weeks ago and had suprisingly good results. Not only did it function flawlessly but it was decently accurate, relatively clean burning, and had no more flash than the WWB most everyone else had. It didn't even have the usual Wolf sulfurus stink.

I reload but I too have a boatload of brass and so picked up the Wolf for the training (can't use reloads for liability reasons) because it was signifigantly cheaper. I was pleasantly suprised and will purchase it again if I need more factory ammo for training.

gezzer
November 27, 2006, 12:27 AM
What works, Works period.

It all depends on YOUR gun and opinion. Fire 1000 rounds no hang ups I would think it works who cares about others experience you did your testing now feel confident.

john paul
November 27, 2006, 02:31 PM
weve fired lots of wolf thru my buddies xd and it never hurt it. ive got a glock 23 so i buy the stuff by the case. out of probably 5000 rds ive had one misfire and that was a primer blew. didnt hurt me or the gun but it did scare the crap out of me

shooter71
November 27, 2006, 02:47 PM
thats what i try and get first when im shooting my xd40..if they dont have that i go with pmc.

ive never had a prb with wolf in my xd at all..and for that matter no prbs period with any ammo ive used..i dont think its had a FTF, FTE at all..now watch i just jinxed myself

'Card
November 27, 2006, 02:51 PM
I use Wolf ammo in my XD-45 all the time. Probably... hell, I don't know... at least 1500 rounds by this point. Maybe more. At any rate, it works just fine. Never had a single problem with it. It's definitely dirtier than WWB or Remington's UMC, but performance-wise it seems identical to me.

As far as folks who are worried about damaging the gun... *shrug* - I guess that's up to the individual, but I don't baby my guns. If I'd thought the XD was going to need to be pampered, I would have bought something else.

XDKingslayer
November 27, 2006, 04:51 PM
I haven't tried WOLFF in my Springer XD, and probably NEVER will;
muchless in any of my other guns~!

I'm with Ala Dan...

FieroCDSP
November 30, 2006, 11:53 AM
thats what i try and get first when im shooting my xd40..if they dont have that i go with pmc.

I'd avoid the PMC white box with red and black stripes. I posted (somewhere around here) about my problems with PMC ammo in my Sigma. I'd fire a full 14 round mag of PMC and get more than two (on average) soft primer hits. I thought it was something I'd have to send in for service, but I talked to a S&W rep who said he'd had similar issues with PMC ammo in general. I've never had an issue with any other ammo, including Wolf. Maybe your XD will like it, but if you seem to get a lot of FTF's, that's probably why. I think it might be inconsistant case lengths, or maybe a bad taper.

infrangible
November 30, 2006, 03:38 PM
I use wolf ammo in my .223 AK, and it eats it just fine. But, as previously stated, these guns are designed to shoot just about anyting that will fit in the chamber. However, I have shot Wolf 9mm and a few other calibers, with no problems in any of my firearms. The trick seems to be not to buy the lacquer coated case stuff. that's when you start getting the PITA to clean situation. And as far as being able to shoot it through your XD? I'd say why not? Any quality firearm (IMHO) should be able to handle what ever you throw at it(with proper care and cleaning). I would definately say that your XD is a quality firearm, so I wouldn't worry about it. It does tend to wear extractors out a little faster though(steel being a lot harder than brass) and you can not reload it either(which sucks for us who like to reload). The question you should ask yourself is, Is all this worth the few dollars you'll save per box?
Shoot it, see if it performs well for you. Clean the gun, see if it is too much of a PITA. Then decide for yourself. You also might want to do a google on the Ballistics for the specific caliber of wolf you'd like to shoot, and compare that to other brands. Just my two cents.

possum
November 30, 2006, 04:32 PM
i have used pmc that was described above, only about 100rds but i didn't have those types of problems though. maybe i got lucky.

lots and lots of replies, i like it, i should have know when wolf is in the heading people like to get elbow deep in it!:D keep it comming, not everyone has chimed in yet.

jburks
November 30, 2006, 04:55 PM
Before I started reloading I put 2500 rounds of Wolf 45ACP through a Taurus PT945 and I had very good results. It was pretty dirty but nothing that a little extra cleaning won't fix.

ugaarguy
November 30, 2006, 05:04 PM
Not going to pay 500 for a pistol and then feed it Wolf. Wolf is for my commie guns.

Umm...yeah. NEWSFLASH: The XD is made in Croatia, formerly part of Yugoslavia, which makes the XD just as much a commie gun as AKs built in democratic Russia. So Wolf ammo is ok in a Saiga, or a Yugo SKS, but it's not ok in a Croatian built HS2000? I'm just checkin here.

possum
November 30, 2006, 05:12 PM
Umm...yeah. NEWSFLASH: The XD is made in Croatia, formerly part of Yugoslavia, which makes the XD just as much a commie gun as AKs built in democratic Russia. So Wolf ammo is ok in a Saiga, or a Yugo SKS, but it's not ok in a Croatian built HS2000? I'm just checkin here.
:what: no way, when did they start doing that?:)

good point man, i guess i ain't the only one that was thinking that huh?

ugaarguy
November 30, 2006, 05:23 PM
Possum, I won't use green laquered Wolf in my AR, because I've heard way too much about the laquer gumming ARs, and they're sensitive enough to being dirty. On the other hand, I wouldn't be afraid to try Wolf in something that was designed to eat anything. I would think that the XD, being designed and built in Croatia, would certainly have Wolf and like types of locally/regionally available ammo factored into to the specs. As others have said, Wolf's cheap and dirty, but so what? Considering what you've already done to that XD I doubt it'll even know you're shooting Wolf in it. Let us know how it goes.

Boats
November 30, 2006, 05:46 PM
My carry 1911A1 eats Wolf up and spits it out just fine. Then again, the pistol is coated with NP3 and I just get to wipe off the residue.

possum
November 30, 2006, 05:55 PM
ugaarguy,
yeah i will definetly stick to the polymer coated stuff in my ar's, the first ar i had i shot 1500rds of so of the old type wolf and i saw definet discoloration and lacuer build up on the inside of the upper reciever. and like you said, the wolf ammo will probally be welcome relief for my xd. next i plan to freeze her, which wouldn't be that hard considering the temps latley but the hard part would be getting it to thow out.:)

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