Colorado: "Losing combination: Now we have more gun permits, fewer gun laws"


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cuchulainn
May 22, 2003, 08:19 AM
from the Bolder Daily Camera

http://www.bouldernews.com/bdc/editorials/article/0,1713,BDC_2489_1979489,00.htmlLosing combination
Now we have more gun permits, fewer gun laws

May 22, 2003

At a time when more Coloradans are seeking permission to carry concealed weapons, their local governments have almost no authority to regulate the possession and use of guns. That absurd and potentially lethal combination is a direct result of the 2003 legislative session, which produced two major changes in state firearms law.

One measure overhauled the system for issuing concealed-weapons permits. Under the old system, county sheriffs were free to decide who received a permit and who didn't. The results were varied, to put it mildly. Some law-enforcement officials issued permits by the thousands; at the other extreme, Denver issued almost none. The new law establishes a single set of standards for the entire state. It requires the sheriff to issue a permit to anyone 21 or over who passes a criminal background check and an approved firearms-training course.

After the new concealed-weapons law took effect over the weekend, some expected a long line of applicants this week in the Denver-Boulder area. What they've seen so far is brisk traffic but no stampede. On Monday, 23 people sought permits in Denver and 65 showed up in Jefferson County. In Boulder County, which normally receives about six applications a month, 21 people applied over the first two days.

It's hard to tell whether these modest numbers point to an emerging trend or merely a brief surge in applications. In either case, it should go without saying that cities have the authority to regulate where these weapons are carried — and to enact other restrictions on the possession, sale and use of guns.

Right now they don't. While rewriting the concealed-weapons law, the Legislature also stripped local governments of the power to regulate guns, by prohibiting them from enacting almost any ordinance more stringent than state law.

Gun-rights advocates described this law as a necessary response to the state's "confusing patchwork" of firearms laws. That argument was at least plausible in the case of concealed-weapons standards, which really were confusing — particularly when sheriffs in rural areas defeated the purpose of the old system by issuing permits to residents of Denver. But the same argument is cynical when applied generally to local firearms laws. Of course they're different in Sterling and Boulder, for the simple and obvious reason that Sterling and Boulder are different kinds of communities. What's confusing about that?

Unless the courts intervene, common-sense local ordinances are off the books. Denver can't outlaw assault-type weapons or stop people from openly carrying guns on a mall. Boulder can't go beyond state law in restricting the access of minors to guns. Broomfield can't require gun-carrying security guards to obtain a permit. The state can prohibit concealed weapons from legislative chambers — but a local government wouldn't be able to ban them from a City Council meeting.

The good news is that cities are gearing up to challenge the law in court as an attack on their home-rule authority. Denver is planning to file suit, and Boulder is prepared to join it. Here's hoping they prevail. A victory in court would send a resounding message to state lawmakers foolish enough to believe that they served the cause of public safety by putting more guns on the street and fewer laws on the books.

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StLGlocker
May 22, 2003, 12:15 PM
Of course [the concealed-weapon standards are] different in Sterling and Boulder, for the simple and obvious reason that Sterling and Boulder are different kinds of communities. What's confusing about that?

If this were the other way around and Denver/Boulder were issuing "local-only" CCW permits in a non-issue state, this guy would be calling for the state to clamp down hard and make the cities toe the line because "this isn't what home-rule was intended for."

scottgun
May 22, 2003, 12:45 PM
Unless the courts intervene, common-sense local ordinances are off the books.

"common-sense" is one of those anti buzz words that means "we want to take away your rights". More liberal double speak. This is expected backlash from those arm chair intellectuals who have no clue.

Three cheers for the Colorado state legislature for restoring citizens rights.

El Tejon
May 22, 2003, 01:01 PM
Oh, I cannot express the joy I feel in reading the bleating of the mommies in Denver and Boulder!

Way to go, Red!:cool:

Tim Currie
May 22, 2003, 02:53 PM
A victory in court would send a resounding message to state lawmakers foolish enough to believe that they served the cause of public safety by putting more guns on the street and fewer laws on the books

I like this one....they really just don't get it do they...

:rolleyes:

Frohickey
May 22, 2003, 03:10 PM
The next states that pass a shall-issue CCW law should have an amendment in it that says 'Anyone that disparages the possible future effects of this law in the media should be prepared to either say "I told you so" or "Eat crow" after 18 months'.

:D

Erik
May 22, 2003, 05:30 PM
Ahhh, I cannot wait to return to Colorado, my home state, where despite not needing one I plan on renewing my permit at year's end, just for the principle of the matter. (Padding the stats in our favor, so to speak. After all, you cannot have too many law abiding permit holders, now can you?)

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Don't get me wrong, someday it would be nice to see Vermont style carrying legislation, but for now that just ain't gonna happen, all arguments aside.)

Larry Ashcraft
May 22, 2003, 05:46 PM
Funny how Boulder can be in the same state as me, yet be in a completely different country.

This article on CAS ran in our daily today, and I'm sure not one eyebrow will be raised here.

http://www.chieftain.com/thursday/lifestyle/index/article/1

Standing Wolf
May 22, 2003, 09:19 PM
Denver is planning to file suit, and Boulder is prepared to join it.

Why, how very surprising!

Nightfall
May 23, 2003, 09:53 PM
I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner too, Standing Wolf! Why, we can't have individual, peaceful citizens being free to defend themselves, especially if it strips the government of more power! Goodness, no! :rolleyes:

general
May 24, 2003, 06:43 PM
Well, here it comes...
Article Published: Saturday, May 24, 2003 - 12:00:00 AM MST
Denver suit battles state on gun laws
City: Lawmakers violated right to regulate firearms
The Denver Post story (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0%2C1413%2C36%25257E53%25257E1412389%2C00.html)
By Howard Pankratz, Denver Post Legal Affairs Writer
Denver sued the state of Colorado and Gov. Bill Owens on Friday, claiming that sweeping new gun legislation unconstitutionally pre-empts many of Denver's city firearms ordinances designed to protect public safety.

Denver claims that as a home-rule city it has the right to enact and enforce its own gun ordinances and regulations without interference from the state.

City officials ask that a judge declare Denver's gun regulations valid and the two new laws, recently passed by the state legislature, unconstitutional because they allegedly violate the Colorado Constitution's home-rule provisions.

The lawsuit, filed in Denver District Court, was widely supported by the Metro Mayors Caucus, which includes the mayors of 31 cities in the Denver area.

"The last legislative session saw unprecedented attacks on the rights of local elected officials to decide what is best for their communities," Littleton Mayor Susan Thornton said Friday. "What makes state legislators think they know the needs and concerns of local residents better than those of us who are in direct touch with our own citizens on a daily basis?"

Many of the metro-area mayors indicated that their cities may join Denver in the court fight if their input is necessary.

Colorado Attorney General Ken Salazar said Friday that he will defend the governor and the state against the suit.

"We have received the complaint filed by the city and county of Denver challenging the constitutionality of Senate Bill 24, concerning the carrying of concealed weapons, and Senate Bill 25, concerning the limitation on the authority of local governments to regulate firearms. We believe the laws are constitutional and have assembled a team of lawyers in my office to defend them," Salazar said.

Among other things, Denver claims that it has the right to determine how gun permits can be issued and where a permit holder can take a gun.

As a result, it takes issue with SB 24.

The bill requires county authorities to give concealed-carry permits to citizens who are at least 21 years old and pass a criminal background check and a handgun training course. The law prohibits concealed weapons in elementary and secondary schools.

But the mayors said Friday that the law doesn't provide enough protection.

Left out are other sensitive locations such as parks, recreation centers, libraries and medical clinics, the mayors claim.

"Senate Bill 24 creates great uncertainty about cities' ability to regulate concealed weapons in public places," Mayor Ken Fellman of Arvada said. "It threatens the safety of families and children. This is a very real safety issue, and is extremely worrisome."

The mayors claim that the second bill - SB 25 - limits cities' ability to create safe public spaces by taking away their ability to regulate the open carrying of firearms in buildings and other specific areas unless those buildings and areas have been posted with signs.

"I have a hard time believing that liberalizing the laws governing the open carry of weapons in urban areas is a step toward a safer society," Denver Mayor Wellington Webb said. "Denver cannot and will not give up the right to preserve its authority to regulate how and where firearms may be carried within the city."

The lawsuit claims that passage of the new statewide gun laws has "caused tangible detriment to Denver's law enforcement efforts by placing police and other Denver officials in a position of uncertainty and paralysis" as to the enforcement of Denver's laws.

The lawsuit said the new laws place Denver officers and residents in a no-win situation, leaving them to wonder what laws should be observed.

:barf: :barf: :barf:
I hope these people choke! :barf: :barf: :cuss:

KP95DAO
May 24, 2003, 07:59 PM
I think that those cities would be better off spending their time and money controling THE CRIMINALS!!!!!!

It's funny that no one in Oklahoma seems to have a problem with state laws superceding local laws concerning firearms. I count my blessings every day.

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