Savage or Remington? .308 or .243?


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Macchina
November 26, 2006, 11:50 AM
Looking at selling my model 70 coyote in .243 wssm to pay the bills this year. I will be running into some money next year though before deer season (wife will graduate college, and our income will almost tripple!) I will probally only own one deer gun for Michigan whitetails, and am looking for advice. I am trying to keep it rather cheap, and am deciding between the two companies and calibers. What kind of accuracy will I be giving up if I go from the Savage 12FV to the 11F (Heavy and Sporter barrels)? Also, I like the performace of the 6mm bullet on deer, what advantage would I gain by going to the .308 (all shots are under 200 yards). How does the savage compare to the Remington model 700? Thank you for your responses in advance.
-Michaelmcgo

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MCgunner
November 26, 2006, 12:19 PM
Oh, lord, another Savage/Remington thread. :rolleyes:

Okay, for hunting (not talking wannabe snipers and competition shooters here) I love my Remington M7 in .308. It's absolutely the handiest little hunting rifle I've ever owned and it's what I reach for anymore when I go hunting. I love the .308 caliber, too. Well, I do use it on hogs and I prefer .30 caliber for that. The .243 is a fine deer caliber and part time varmint gun, but I don't consider it as capable as .308 on big deer and hogs.

I would suggest the Remington M7 as the absolute best choice in a hunting rifle. It's 1 MOA accurate, too, so don't let the soda straw barrel put you off. But, if you can't afford it, the Savage is certainly a capable firearm and will do the job. It's plenty accurate. I'd still get it in .308 between your two choices. I'd steer clear of all those heavy barrel tacticool guns, though, especially in the Michigan woods. I like a light, handy rifle for any sort of hunting, stand hunting or still/spot and stalk type. It's just easier to hunt with in a real world than a long, heavy rifle. A heavy barrel gun might be more accurate after the tenth round (that's why they have heavy barrels), but for hunting, the first shot is what counts. My M7 will hold a 1" 100 yard group with three shots, though, and the fourth and fifth ain't that far off. It'll put five into barely over an inch. I've never tried ten without letting the barrel cool, but why would I care? Hunting ain't about firepower. Barrel weight is simply a liability on a deer rifle IMHO.

You might also wanna look at Ruger and (okay, probably out of your price range) a little Browning short action A bolt. They make guns that rival the M7 for compactness and light weight. I own both a Savage 110 and two Remingtons and the Remington is a more refined rifle, smoother, tighter bolt through, easier on the eyes to look at. But, the Savage works and does it at a better price point. Up to you, really.

Shawnee
November 26, 2006, 12:52 PM
Hi michaelmcgo

the Remington M7 in .243 or the Savage in .243 or the Ruger M77 in .243.

Or anything else in .243

:D

rangerruck
November 26, 2006, 01:05 PM
id go savage over remington, since they and Anschutz use the same bbl making processes/ tooling, etc. also with the savage, if you ever eat a bbl out, you can replace them yourself, easily, with their bbl changing tool. As a matter of fact, why wait? get a short action savage, then get diff cal bbls, change them when you want to .or a long action, and interchange those bbls. Last but not least, Accutrigger! so sweet!

MCgunner
November 26, 2006, 01:28 PM
I've got a 50 year old Remington M722 in .257 Roberts that's killed dozens of deer over the years. It still shoots 3/4", never burned out a bore with it. That's not a big thing in a hunting rifle IMHO. I don't plan to ever have to touch the barrel nut on my Savage and it's in 7 mag, a much more errosive round than either .243 or .308.

And, ain't no Savage I ever fired compared to an Anschutz target rifle....:rolleyes: ROFLMAO!

10-Ring
November 26, 2006, 02:51 PM
I'd go - 'Heads' Savage and 'Tails' Remington - :neener: At worst, best 2 out of 3 should do it :D

rust collector
November 26, 2006, 03:06 PM
The 308 just flat works, competitors have doped it out thoroughly, and GI brass is available for it. Just shot my second west river doe this morning with my T3 lite stainless 308. This rig has never let me down.

So let me recommend something completely different: 260 rem or 6.5x55 in a Savage or Howa (wby vanguard) bolt action. These are extremely accurate cartridges and I have read many good reviews for both of these makes. Rem Model 700s are great guns as well, but a bit pricier.

See if you can test fire a 6.5x55. It's a wonderfully humane round--easy on the shoulder, and very accurate at long ranges. My swedish mausers are a hoot!

CB900F
November 26, 2006, 03:10 PM
Fella's;

Once again, I'll be the ever-willing voice of controversy. I'm voting neither-neither.

Michigan deer gun? .257 Roberts, 6.5 Swede (my #1 choice), 7-08, or .30-06.

Brand of gun? CZ or Tikka would be first choice in new. But man, in that part of the world, you should be cruisin' the used racks in every gun store within a hundred miles. As you'll be buying between the seasons, you should be able to score an excellent gun for a budget price.

I'm not talking dedicated trips to the emporiums, just allow an extra hour or so to shop the gun stores when you're in their neighborhood.

900F

steelhead
November 26, 2006, 03:34 PM
I give up..... Get a Browning and chamber it in 375WSSSSSSM:D .


Sporter versus Heavy barrel for accuracy? Won't matter on the first or 2nd shot... or even 3rd shot. My Savage 7mm-08, with sporter barrel, is a sub MOA rifle (5 shot groups) with a couple of different loads and 1 MOA with most others.

.243 is fine for under 200. I would prefer 260 Remington or 7mm-08 but so what. Stay with the .243 if you have confidence in it and yourself.

If you really want to stay inexpensive but still have a very capable rifle - then get the Stevens 200. You can pick these up, on sale, for anywhere between $199 and $259. The only difference is the syn stock is grey instead of black and it doesn't have the accutrigger.

greg531mi
November 26, 2006, 04:26 PM
MC sports had Mossberg 1000 bolt actions in 30-06 and 270 for $209.95!!!
If you want to be really thrifty, Dunhams got some mil-surps at $80......

MCgunner
November 26, 2006, 04:37 PM
If you really want to stay inexpensive but still have a very capable rifle - then get the Stevens 200. You can pick these up, on sale, for anywhere between $199 and $259. The only difference is the syn stock is grey instead of black and it doesn't have the accutrigger.

This is basically what I have with Savage 110 stamped on it. The trigger on that gun (pre-accutrigger) will set down to about 3 crisp lbs which is perfect for hunting. Go any lighter and you won't be able to feel the sear through winter gloves. The trigger is an exposed design and it's very easy to see what you are adjusting when you fiddle with it, too. But, the safety adjustment is critical, so be SURE you know what you are doing or else take it to a smith. But, a smith can do it really cheap and while you wait.

Froggy
November 26, 2006, 07:47 PM
I don't (yet) own a Savage, so can't make a recommendation between it and the Remington. (Though I will say I'm very happy with my Remington.)

As for picking between the calibers, I think it boils down to what else you might want to do with that rifle. If it is going to be a rifle for deer + varmint, the .243 is a good choice. If it is going to be a rifle for deer + elk, the .308 is a better choice.

carterbeauford
November 26, 2006, 07:52 PM
MC sports had Mossberg 1000 bolt actions in 30-06 and 270 for $209.95!!!
If you want to be really thrifty, Dunhams got some mil-surps at $80......

You meant the 100ATR. I own one in .30-06, alot of gun for the money but the trigger in no way compares to Savage's accutrigger.

My vote is for Savage in .308 :)

Macchina
November 26, 2006, 08:17 PM
Okay, so you guys made up my mind: Savage 11F in .308. I'm really excited to try out that accutrigger. Too bad I have to wait until next year to give it a go. I fell in love with the Barnes Tripple Shock bullets in my .243 wssm, has anyone given these a try in the .308, if so, with what powder (if this is not the right place to ask this question, I'm sorry).
Thanks again,
Michaelmcgo

steelhead
November 26, 2006, 09:02 PM
Varget and RE15 are your friends.

MCgunner
November 26, 2006, 09:48 PM
48.5 grains W748/140 grain Barnes X boat tail. 2822 fps/2476 fpe from a 20" barrel and very accurate. I like Winchester ball powder, meters very well from volume type powder measures.

I could shoot this bullet a little hotter, but I use the same powder measure setting as my 150 Nosler BT load and it hits a similar POA, simplifies things. The Nosler clocks 2273 fps/2562 fpe.

greg531mi
November 27, 2006, 12:50 PM
You meant the 100ATR

Opps, my bo-bo, one too many zero's.....

Lobotomy Boy
November 27, 2006, 12:54 PM
I'd add Tikka to your list of possible candidates. As for caliber, that's a personal decision. I can't even decide between a .308 and a .243 for myself--right now it's six for one and half a dozen for the other--so how can I provide useful advice for someone else?

For the record, I'm leaning toward .308 so I can stock up on milsurp ammo.

HGUNHNTR
November 29, 2006, 10:19 AM
Forget both and get a Tikka, go with the 308 if it is primarily a deer gun. The Tikka is guaranteed 1 moa, has a better trigger that the sav or rem, and is priced in between the two.

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