heavy 30-30 loads


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redhogg1
November 26, 2006, 03:09 PM
I`m new to THR. Glad to be here.
My question is this: I hunt exclusively with a marlin 336a 22 in. barrel 30-30,took a 10 point just yesterday, now my son-in-law and his buddies can share the sticks and jerky there in Iraq. Anyway I would like to see what you think about 200 gr. bullets in this for back bear hunting, and who could load a few boxes. Whats your thoughts? Thanks, redhogg1

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MCgunner
November 26, 2006, 04:14 PM
Nosler makes a partition in 170 grains for the .30-30. That's what I'd use for bear. A 200 grain is aweful heavy for .30-30. The 170 is lopin' along at about 2100-2200 fps. I'm not sure I wanna go any slower. But, heck, I guess it'd work. I'd expect maybe 1800 fps at the muzzle, just a semi-educated guess as I haven't done any real thinkin' on it.

A problem is that any 200 grain bullet that I know of in .30 caliber would be designed probably for .30-06 velocities. I'd worry about the bullet expanding at .30-30 speeds. The Nosler is designed for the purpose and is plenty of bullet for even the biggest boar.

highlander 5
November 26, 2006, 04:54 PM
the 30 30 case is not designed for high pressure loads if your hunting black bear 150 or 170 gr bullet will do the trick Also the 200gr bullet may not fit in the chamber and if it's a pointed bullet not wise to use in a lever action. If you want a heavier bullet go to a 308 or 30/06 or if you are a masochist 300gr 45/70
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mete
November 26, 2006, 05:13 PM
The 170 is the best you can do .If you had the better 35 Rem you could use the Buffalo Bore load which is VERY impressive.

Cosmoline
November 26, 2006, 05:37 PM
I experimented along these lines, but the cartridge can't cope with much beyond 170. There are 180 grain load possibilities, but velocity starts to fall too low. The Nosler 170 partitions have been used for elk, moose, and black bear with good effect.

For a similar cartridge that DOES load heavier slugs, try the 35 Rem. or even better the .30-40 Krag, which was used as a N. American big game rifle for many years.

R.W.Dale
November 26, 2006, 06:49 PM
The 170 is lopin' along at about 2100-2200 fps. I'm not sure I wanna go any slower.

Shoot some factory 30-30 ammo over a chrony and you'll find that 1900 to 2000 FPS is closer to the mark, But that being said a good 170 grn Flat Point would stll be strong blackie madicine at anything close to 2000 FPS


OR For what you'ed pay fpr a batch of custom loaded ammo You could buy a $100 Moisin Nagant carbine, Those 203grn SP's supposedly work wonders on bears.

This guy had great results.
http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=195734

Ultima-Ratio
November 26, 2006, 07:06 PM
Do a search on P.O. Ackley! The 30-30 Improved!

MCgunner
November 26, 2006, 09:36 PM
Shoot some factory 30-30 ammo over a chrony and you'll find that 1900 to 2000 FPS is closer to the mark, But that being said a good 170 grn Flat Point would stll be strong blackie madicine at anything close to 2000 FPS

The premise here was a handload. I'm sure you're correct about modern factory loads. I haven't fired a factory .30-30 in many years. My own "heavy load" is a 140 Barnes X bullet, but I'm firing it out of a 12" contender. However, any lever gun can be a two shot repeater with a spitzer bullet. Just don't load more'n one in the magazine. That might not be the option to use with something that can eat you, though. LOL

redhogg1
November 27, 2006, 06:51 AM
lots of good info here, i kind of thought the 170 was the best i could do. i shoot winchester, they do a good job. the article on the bear hunt was cool,looks like we got another hunter added to the fold. centerfire systems is next to where i work they sell surplus rifles might check that out. or maybe get a marlin guide gun 45-70 or .450. going to alaska so a new gun my be in order. a s&w .44 mountain gun is my backup 250 gr. solids.

LAK
November 27, 2006, 07:44 AM
Speculating I don't think velocity would be an issue at short distances - a 200 grain 30 .cal bullet has very high sectional density, and properly constructed to match velocity would afford great penetration. Barrel twist rate might be short of that required to send them out with any accuracy past shorter ranges.

But what for, when there is a 170 grain Nosler Partition?

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redhogg1
November 29, 2006, 07:22 PM
I have done a lot of research on the M38 after reading the blog that krochus posted and i think that would be a good choice. Norma has 180grn. ammo with impressive ballistics. The M38 is a little off the norm which appeals to me. In 07 Black Hills is coming out with 2 new 30-30 loads they said will be great on black bear, kinda lookin forward to that for a U.P. hunt. I found a supplier in N.C. that has the M38 for 89.95 in excellant condition. Think I will oder one tomorrow.

Mannlicher
November 30, 2006, 03:38 PM
My standard load for the 30-30 rifles I own is a 170 grain Speer FP, over 35 grains of IMR 4320. I guarantee this load will penetrate a 350 pound hog end to end. I am sure it has enough stuff for a blackie.

Vern Humphrey
November 30, 2006, 06:18 PM
Going above 170 grains with the .30-30 has several problems. First of all, you want ammo that feeds reliably. That may cause you to seat the bullet deeper to get a workable OAL. And that raises pressures -- so basically, you wind up with a heavier bullet and less case capacity, which is not indicative of success.

Next, you wind up with a bullet not designed to expand at the low velocities you're getting.

Finally, you will have a hard time finding flat point bullets in the 200 grain range.

I'd stick with the tried-and-proven 170 grain flatpoint. Or, if you can bring yourself to buy store-boughten ammo, try the Hornady Leverevolution loads.

T.R.
December 1, 2006, 04:25 AM
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Sam Fadala writes of pulling bullets from 303 Savage cases and loading for the 30-30. 303 Savage bullets weigh in at 190 grains. Seems like a lot of effort.

180 grain round nose bullets intended for .308 can be quite useful. But flatten the tip down with a file for safety.

170 grain bullets have toppled more Canadian caribou than any single cartridge. My guess is the figure must be in the millions as this cartridge has been a back country favorite for several generations. I'm certain that a good shot who is patient and waits for the right angle can knock over just about any North American big game animal with his 30-30 and 170 grain ammo.
TR

redhogg1
December 5, 2006, 09:23 PM
TR nice animal. Here`s a pic of my Kentucky buck, went about 250lbs.. Next Saturday I think me and t/c will get his big brother. Love my 30-30 perfect gun for here. I was lucky enough to find a nagant M38 in unfired condition,takin it to Alaska next spring for black bear. Probably going to go scout style with it. Seems that all I read about the NcStar scopes is 90% or better they are great scopes for the money. What do you guys think or recommend? The jerky and dear sticks are going to make a few marines over in TQ Iraq really happy this Christmas. Well the manage attachments keeps telling me upload failed.but not telling me why, i`ll try again later to put the picture up.

grizz
December 18, 2006, 04:35 AM
Why not use Hornady's new Lever Revolution Ammo?

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