Gun Confiscation?


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TimH
May 22, 2003, 04:02 PM
In countries like Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, China, & the like were guns confiscated before or during the the rise of the powers that be? If possible please back up with facts or links. Possibly good fact based books. I'm in the middle of a gun registration debate with an anti and I need fire power. Thanks Tim

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Partisan Ranger
May 22, 2003, 04:23 PM
Much of my political philosophy boils down to what I view as a commonsense take on the issues.

If the USA requires 'gun registration,' who is most likely to climb in the SUV, drive down to the police station, and register them? Common sense would tell you that people who obey laws (aka the law-abiding) are most likely to do this.

If I'm a thug, why would I bother? If I kill people and/or steal things, thus violating our most basic laws, why would I obey this law?

Gun registration is essentially legal harassment of law-abiding people and would do little to prevent crime. The amount of harm it would do to our rights far outweighs what crime it would prevent.

P95Carry
May 22, 2003, 04:29 PM
Just a quick comment ... no hard facts or links right now .. but ......

Does not take much research to establish a strong and depressing link in many instances, with a disarmed populace being the subject of genocide.

What is the old saying? ''Power comes out of the barrel of a gun''!!!!! Well, strikes me that when ONLy the ''powers that be'' can implement that .... all too often people get slaughtered.

I wonder what a search would yield, simply on the keyword ''genocide''?

WilderBill
May 22, 2003, 04:33 PM
The basic thing to remember is that any time a government decides that is is necessary to unarm the general populace, it means they are about to do something that by all rights should get them shot.
It's all about the safety of tyrants and their regimes.

Triad
May 22, 2003, 04:43 PM
You might want to do a search on what happened in Cambodia. I believe that has been the clearest example of coming to get the guns and then coming back for the people.

bfason
May 22, 2003, 04:52 PM
Read _Death by Gun Control_ by Aaron Zelman and Richard W. Stevens (Mazel Freedom Press: 2001)
http://www.jpfo.org/deathgc.htm


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pax
May 22, 2003, 05:09 PM
Tim,

This goes for thugs as well as for governments: If they want to make you defenseless, it is because they want to do something to you that you would not allow them to do if you had the means to prevent it.

pax

A government that intended to protect the liberty of the people would not disarm them. A government planning the opposite most certainly and logically would disarm them. And so it has been in this century. Check out the history of Germany, the Soviet Union, Cuba, China and Cambodia. -- Charlie Reese

Standing Wolf
May 22, 2003, 09:03 PM
In countries like Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, China, & the like were guns confiscated before or during the the rise of the powers that be?

Both.

Sorry, but disarming commoners is an ongoing effort for tyrants all over the world. In Germany, for example, the firearms registration laws were passed before the Nazis were first elected. The Nazis soon used the registration rolls to disarm their opponents and victims.

Prior to the communist revolution in Russia, the Tsarist governent had any number or laws pertaining to firearms ownership, as well as registration in some parts, I believe. The communists added to that base of laws, then systematically disarmed anyone and everyone who even might have been a potential opponent.

I don't have definite numbers, but don't doubt you could find them at Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership: http://jpfo.org

Good luck, by the way, trying to reason with people who believe their irrational hoplophobia trumps the nation's civil rights!

Monte Harrison
May 23, 2003, 09:49 AM
Here is a possible lead:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM
It is a website entitled "Murder by Government" by a U of Hawaii professor. There is a mailto link on one of the pages. In the course of his research he may have documented disarmament of populations. Worth a shot.

Monte Harrison
May 23, 2003, 10:33 AM
Just found this:
http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel052203.asp

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