any .22lr with .45 grips besides 22/45


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geronimotwo
November 28, 2006, 03:58 PM
i will be buying a .22lr auto soon, and later would like to purchase a self defense gun (9mm, or .45). what makers have models that would have grips, functions, and controls of the same type? i don't like the idea of using the larger gun with the .22 conversion.

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Technosavant
November 28, 2006, 04:49 PM
The real 1911 frame + .22LR conversion is a better idea than it sounds. At first, I scoffed and bought a 22/45. Much later, I still can't fall in love with that thing- I wish a conversion kit would work on my 1911 (it has a ramped barrel, so none of that for me).

Really, though, if conversion kits don't count, there is no such thing as a .22LR handgun that is interchangeable with a larger caliber defensive one (well, except for maybe the S&W 617, but then we're talking revolvers). All of them will have minor variations from other guns, but no more so than you might find in terms of variance between, say, a CZ and a 1911. Either will require a bit of familiarization when swapping over. Ditto .22LR pistols.

JoeHatley
November 28, 2006, 06:10 PM
Clark makes a set of grips that changes the MK II to feel kinda like a 1911.

I had a 22/45. Nice gun, but it does not feel like a 1911. The angle may be the same, but that's it. Sold it.

Only way to get something to really feel and work like a 1911 is to go with a conversion top end.

http://www.iowatelecom.net/~hatley/ciener_l.jpg

Joe

Geno
November 28, 2006, 06:17 PM
Kimber makes a .22LR 1911.

Doc2005

ClarkEMyers
November 28, 2006, 06:43 PM
Kimber does a .22 that's not a conversion but very 1911 style. The Kimber is available in a variety of rimfire cartridges.

Some of the European makers have .22 rimfires in a line including centerfires as e.g. Walther PP/PPK see also HK4. For a full size pistol the P38 is available in .22 and in 9X19 but that would be odd choice and a heavy price to pay - more or less just kidding.

Erma and others (Stanley Works :) for Stoeger) have made blowback .22 pistols that look a lot like a Parabellum but aren't. AMT Backup another poor choice but a failure in many different calibers.

Not automatics but single action revolvers are widely available in .22 - not the Colt Single Action Army proper of course which is hard to find in .22 but Colt did a reduced scale version. The S&W Model 53 is a good .22 rimfire / centerfire combination.

Mostly kidding but look at the Kimber especially in .17 and consider other conversions.

Justin
November 28, 2006, 08:27 PM
I've got a 22/45, and I find the claim that the grip angle is the same as a 1911 to be somewhat dubious. The pistol doesn't point anything like a 1911 for me.

I think a conversion kit would be a better idea.

SoCalShooter
November 28, 2006, 08:28 PM
For a .45 lower you can get a .22lr slide from marvel, or you can get a mK II or III and there are grip changes that will give you a .45 grip!

Furncliff
November 28, 2006, 08:33 PM
Service Ace .22 manuf 1941. $3999.00

http://www.bxbweb.com/serviceace/p1010148_std.jpg


Or Kimber .22 from 6-900$.

Technosavant
November 28, 2006, 08:37 PM
I've got a 22/45, and I find the claim that the grip angle is the same as a 1911 to be somewhat dubious. The pistol doesn't point anything like a 1911 for me.


Ditto here. Methinks it is because the 22/45 is extremely top heavy. With the plastic frame and the heavy bull barrel (at least on mine), the weight distribution on the 22/45 has zero similarity to that of a 1911.

Master Blaster
November 29, 2006, 11:53 AM
Take a look at a browning Buckmark, standard model 5.5" Barrel with the standard grips.

If all my .22lr pistols this seems to come as close as any to the grip ange size and control location of a .45 government model.

They also all come with a really nice trigger, and better accuracy than the two Ruger MKIIs I own.

mljdeckard
November 29, 2006, 01:52 PM
I put a Ciener on my Kimber. I do find that I have the best results with hot ammo, like Stingers or Velocitors.

One day, I plan on getting around to having an extra barrel tapped for a suppressor. (Then I'll have to use 60 gr subsonic.)

geronimotwo
November 30, 2006, 10:53 AM
thanks for the great input, especially regarding the 22/45 as i had been leaning in that direction. i did have some concerns about the polymer grip frames. the buckmark is sounding more like the gun to head towards, as i have heard that the trigger is better than the ruger out of the box. i still haven't found one to shoot locally, but i'm sure that will happen before i put out the cash.

Master Blaster
November 30, 2006, 11:34 AM
If you put a MKII Ruger over a 1911 you will discover that the angle of the grip is significantly different, the location of the trigger is also different. The Buckmark is an exact match up for width, angle, and trigger location. The best pistol would be a model 41 S&W but that will run you $700-1000 depending on whether you are willing to buy or can find a used one. A good buckmark should run between $325 and $450 depending on the model, new. A local shop has 4 different like new used one selling for $250.

My Buckmark Bullseye likes CCI standard velocity, and it shoots as well as my model 41.

Good luck.

TonyT
December 1, 2006, 11:16 AM
The marvel 22 LR conversion on a 1911 frame is extreemely accurate and reliable. It would be my first choice.

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