squeezing accuracy out of a G17


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ndh87
November 28, 2006, 04:59 PM
I've got a Glock 17 and i was just wondering, what can i do to squeeze a bit more accuracy out of it? (yea, i know, trade it for a 1911. but it was my high school graduation present, so its not going anywhere) anyone have a sigh with parts or some ideas?

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gudel
November 28, 2006, 05:09 PM
you just need to learn the trigger more.

no, don't trade a G17 with a jamomatic.

Zak Smith
November 28, 2006, 05:14 PM
Unless you are already shooting Bullseye competition accuracy, buy training from someone who knows how to shoot and don't mess with the Glock. The Glock is sufficiently accurate to win any IPSC match.

Geno
November 28, 2006, 05:14 PM
Now there's a gift that won't be "re-gifted"! :D Re: increasing accuracy, yes there are target triggers, steel sights etc that can be added, but I have left mine 100% stock. I agree with the post of simply learn to manage the trigger better. If you ever hope to CCW this G17, you do NOT want a lighter trigger. As you get more accustom to a G17, it will (you will) become more accurate.

Doc2005

CZ52GUY
November 28, 2006, 05:32 PM
...and perhaps some customization.

I like the Glockmeister 3.5# connector and competition spring kit.

http://glockmeister.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/14_68/products_id/202

It provides a nice consistent pull in the 3.25# range.

I like Meprolight Sights...I can see them...hard to get a good sight picture if you can't pick up the front sight...YMMV, find the sight setup that works for you.

The right ammo' can make a big difference too. I started reloading 21K rounds ago...won't ever look back.

Instruction will help break any bad habits, but once you have the basics down...nothing will help more than good trigger time. Shoot longer distances when you can.

DRY-FIRE, DRY-FIRE, DRY-FIRE!!!

The more time you and your G-17 spend together, assuming good basics are already in place, the better you'll do.

Good luck!!

CZ52'

10-Ring
November 28, 2006, 08:18 PM
NO shortcut to practice! practice! practice! The only other thing might be some trigger work and better sights - but no new parts will disguise the shortcomings of the user. Go out & shoot!

HSMITH
November 28, 2006, 11:26 PM
Put some good sights on it and shoot the piss out of it, that is all it will take for you and the gun both to show significant accuracy increases. The last G17 I bought is the best so far, it will shoot under an inch at 25 yards with UMC bulk pack 115 FMJ ammo. I have custom 1911 types costing many many times more that won't beat that....

I used the Ameriglo target sights on the last one, and I like them a LOT!!!

ndh87
November 29, 2006, 12:04 AM
I've been shooting the heck out of it, in the year and a half or so that i've had it i've put about 5000 rounds through it. Maybe i should have clarified, its not that i cant hit what i aim at, thats not a problem, i just wanted to find something to counter balence the weight a bit, add some weight to the grip or something allong those lines, and maybe a new slide spring with a metal keeper(the plastic one makes me a little nervous)

Snarlingiron
November 29, 2006, 12:14 AM
A brass backstrap plug adds a little weight to the rear of the weapon and could help your balance a bit. Not terribly expensive, and might be worth a try.

http://www.glockworld.com/plugs.htm

10-Ring
November 29, 2006, 12:14 AM
Go check places like topglock.com for add ons to build your perfect Glock ;)

Desertscout
November 29, 2006, 02:21 AM
...and don't mess with the Glock. The Glock is sufficiently accurate to win any IPSC match.
Oh really?

This target was shot with my G17 at Front Sight last January. 7 yards, standing. the 5 shots in the top target can be covered with a dime. If I hadn't pulled the 3rd shot out a bit to about 11:00, it would have quite literally been a one-bullet-diameter hole.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/Desertscout1/IMG_ORH.jpg ( One-ragged-hole )

We went out to my range a few days ago to test fire a few guns that we repaired/modified and beofre we left, I decided to put a few rounds through one of my G23's since we already had everything set up for 100 yards. The group was off to the left a bit which I have since remedied. 6 shots fired at 100 yards from a makeshift bench. 5 of the shots are in 5.094" with the 6th shot opening the group up to 9.875".
The gun was my everyday G23 with all of the modifications that we offer shooting 165 PMC FMJ's.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/Desertscout1/IMG_100yds.jpg ( 100 yd. G23 )

PO2Hammer
November 29, 2006, 02:08 PM
Other than practice (it took me about two years to master the glock trigger), the only add on part that really helped my Glock shooting was a good set of sights.
If you want precision shooting, try Heinie or Dawson precision sights. I prefer the fixed Heinies myself.
Both brands have the sharp, clean sight picture you need for long range (25 yards and beyond) shooting.
http://www.gunracing.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=009&DEPT=000001&CAT=000002&BACK=A0007A1B0000001B1

Owen
November 29, 2006, 02:15 PM
desert, I don't understand your point.

bb21
November 29, 2006, 02:44 PM
I recently read a book called "The Complete Book of Shooting" it has a section on Rifle shooting, Shotgun shooting and Pistol shooting. The pistol shooting portion is written by the Late Great Col. Jeff Cooper. The book in some respects is outdated, but Col. Cooper has a "program" to make you a better shooter, I haven't done it or even started it but it makes a lot of sense. I don't think I would buy the book because it is outdated but if you checked out your local library they may have a copy. Bottom line is practice and practice using good fundamentals. Many bad habits can be formed when plinking if you don't use good fundamentals. Most guns can shoot much better than the shooter can shoot. Good Luck and Be Safe!

Desertscout
November 29, 2006, 04:36 PM
desert, I don't understand your point.
I may have misinterpreted the poster that I quoted in my last post. I took it to mean that the Glock was adequately accurate to win an IPSC match (which doesn't really take a great deal of accuracy) but that was about it. I was simply disagreeing with that point that I thought he was making. The Glock CAN be very accurate with some minor mods and the right sights and a steady hand on the wheel.

bluto
November 29, 2006, 06:42 PM
Not a G17, but I put a KKM match barrel in my G22 and it improved accuracy quite a bit. No malfunctions or problems. Dropped in perfectly. Their chambers are more supported than stock glock tubes and bulged brass was an issue with my G22 before replacing the barrel. Solved that issue too.

Obviously practice has the greatest influence on accuracy but I've been very satisfied with the KKM barrel.

http://www.kkmprecision.com/

OH25shooter
November 29, 2006, 07:20 PM
The last G17 I bought is the best so far, it will shoot under an inch at 25 yards

I'll have to believe that statement...you sir are one fine shooter. I can't do that at 75 feet with my custom Performance Center S&W 952-2.

JohnKSa
November 29, 2006, 08:18 PM
My first question would be, "What kind of accuracy are you getting now?"

I've never shot a Glock that wouldn't do 3" at 25 yards with ammo it likes. That's getting close to the limits of my ability, and I don't bench pistols, so they might shoot better than that.

Unless you're trying to get below that group size at that distance, I'd say that maybe what would help you most is a lot of practice. ;)

ndh87
November 29, 2006, 09:14 PM
Im getting decent groups now, i can go a 5 inch group standing at about 50 feet, with fairly quick follow up shots. After reading all the posts i think that aside from more practice new sights would help alot.

10-Ring
November 29, 2006, 09:29 PM
Yeah, a good clear sight picture really helps...I would suggest checking out a few before you buy & get the ones your eyes like best...probably something in an adjustable sight...maybe n/s ;)
Good shooting by the way ;)

ndh87
November 29, 2006, 09:36 PM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d136/ndh87/Picture55.jpg


Guess its not too bad.

HSMITH
November 29, 2006, 09:40 PM
OH25, you aren't any more surprised than I was. I put almost three grand in a new super duper custom STI competition pistol that I can't get to shoot any better than that G17. Kinda sucks actually, takes the anticipation out of new guns in a way.

Standing freehand I can get 4" groups on an average day out of a VERY accurate pistol at 25 yards, sometimes better and sometimes not as good so I wouldn't say I am a very good shooter. All the time in the world from sandbags for each shot doesn't qualify me for anything IMO.

OH25shooter
November 30, 2006, 09:23 AM
I put almost three grand in a new super duper custom STI competition pistol that I can't get to shoot any better than that G17.
Exactly, I know the feeling. That's how I got sucked into spending the $1500.00 for the 952. I thought the accuracy would be out of this world. Not really. My $550.00 Walther P99 is more accurate. It's a crap shoot.

M2 Carbine
November 30, 2006, 01:28 PM
I don't even like Glocks. Wouldn't take one if it was given to me.

BUT, the ones I've shot have been accurate.:)

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