Gward .38 Special


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Harry Paget Flashman
November 30, 2006, 11:32 AM
CDNN has me on their Email list and sent me a flyer listing a bunch of used guns for sale yesterday. I wasn't really in the market for another gun but one of the guns listed caught my eye: "Gward·38Special·4" Barrel·Matte Blue·GD-VG....#GWA38VG....$139.99". I Googled it and came up with a picture at this link: www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/3000/3068.htm

I went ahead and confirmed with CDNN that they still had it and then had my FFL order it. It'll be my first "Polski Rewolwer", a handgun I have to have but don't need. Looks different.

Other than what is at the link, does anyone have any info on this handgun?

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denfoote
November 30, 2006, 02:13 PM
It looks like your standard run-of-the-mill revolver!!!
I would be mildly concerned about the quality of the metalurgy.

Harry Paget Flashman
November 30, 2006, 04:33 PM
denfoote. I am concerned about the metallurgy too. I plan on shooting it, starting(and probably staying with) light loads and a long string. There is very little info on the Internet about this handgun. I am somewhat encouraged by the link I posted before...that it was a prototype designed by Polish military men at the Military University of Technology for their Ministry of Internal Affairs. I guess only 525 were made...which for a prototype made about a dozen years ago doesn't necessarily speak volumes about it's future as a handgun. With some additional Googling I found out that it was manufactured at a Polish textile machinery factory. I found a better picture at this link: www.bielorz.friko.pl/gward/gward.htm

T.M.I., huh?

Still, it's a good first step to a possible collection of odd .38 revolvers.

Jim March
November 30, 2006, 05:35 PM
Eastern European metallurgy is often not half bad. It doesn't have that "pot metal look" like, say, an EAA Windicator, Lorcin, etc.

Run "the checkout". Bigtime. Carefully :).

Harry Paget Flashman
November 30, 2006, 05:52 PM
Wilco. Should arrive tommorrow or Saturday. Thanks.

Harry Paget Flashman
December 4, 2006, 06:15 PM
Well, the Gward revolver arrived Saturday and I picked it up today. Though I haven't fired it yet I am very impressed with this gun. I ran the Jim March "checkout" and it is thumbs up all around. The SecurityArms link/picture in my first post does not do this gun justice. The bluing is 100%, less a very slight cylinder score mark. The finish is deep flat black. The rear sight looks adjustable...its fitted to the frame in a dovetail cut. It has two small white dots and the front blade sight has a spot of yellow on it .

As I mentioned, the picture in the link doesn't do this gun justice. It's fit and finish are superb. The stampings are crisp, neat and tasteful...not like in the link. There is no visible import stamping. It has a chrome lined barrel. There are no rough machining marks on mine. The wood grips appear to be walnut, with a nice grain, checkered too. Again, much better than shown in the link. For my average hand it's a nice fit.

How much do I like this gun? I just ordered 3 more from CDNN. They had 78 in stock...75 now. This is a $139 steal. CDNN overbilled me by $20 but the salesman, Jerry, set it right. I'm keeping an extra one for myself, giving one to my son-in-law for Christmas and got one for my good friend who good-dealed me on a $250 Garand last month.

They only made 525 of these Polish revolvers, so mine is a 1995 model with a 3 digit serial number. :) I like this gun.

tubeshooter
December 4, 2006, 06:32 PM
Very interesting; glad you got a favorable first impression.


Please do a range report on the gun when you get a chance, I'd love to hear how it does. Thanks!

RON in PA
December 5, 2006, 05:25 AM
My experience with mil-surp. firearms of Polish manufacture has been very positive as far as workmanship and finish so I'm not at all suprised that your revolver is similar. Hope it shoots well too.

Harry Paget Flashman
December 11, 2006, 02:00 PM
I am probably beating a dead horse but I found some more information on the Polish Gward revolvers I bought. The 3 additional ones I bought from CDNN came in today for a total of 4. I'm keeping 2, 1 goes to a son-in-law and 1 to a good friend who good dealed me recently on a $250 Garand...both deserve a nice Christmas gift.

The info I found was from a Russian site and it translates into rough Engrish:

From www.bratishka.ru :

"38 revolver "GWARD" revolver is developed on the commission of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Poland by the designers of military technical academy By g. glovitsky, By v. koperskiy, By s. tsepel'skiy and by the engineers of combine 38 revolver "GWARD" concerning the long stem of textile machines By r. khelmitsky, T. podgurskiy and 4. dudek. In the beginning of 1990 were prepared test models with five different stems, which were subjected to intensive tests. After this, in 1991 were designed and prepared two versions of this weapon, designated as Rsp (reduction from the "revolver of special designation"), that were being characterized by only length it was trunk (with the threaded channels). Production of both revolvers by the name "GWARD" was mastered in 1993. Revolvers find in arsenal of the Polish police and special-purpose subdivisions. "GWARD" is the samovzvodnym nonautomatic model of small arms, intended for self-defence and destruction of kinetic energy at a distance, which does not exceed 50 m. for the shooting from it they adapt cartridges 38 Special, including complete set of special ammunition, developed by the association of the designers of military technical academy and metallurgical plant Me.sko. Revolver is created according to the usual design concept, with which the stem rigidly is connected with the framework on the suxarno- screw landing, and drum for loading and razryazhaniya of weapon throws out itself to the left. The extraction of cases from the drum occurs with the aid of the manual extractor, located in the axis of drum. Open type sight mechanisms are calculated for the firing distance to 25 m and consist of rectangular fly and rectangular cut with the possibility of adjustment of the horizontal plane. In the weapon is used the fast and well- trigger mechanism of double action, which after the pressure of trigger cocks and revolves drum, and then returns cock to the initial position and is fired a shot itself."

A 'tear gas'/'signaling' model:

"On the base of revolver with the short stem is also developed 38 the gas revolver Rg (reduction from Rewolwer gazowy, i.e. gas revolver) together with the gas cartridge NUMBER SYSTEM it is intended for self-defence and neutralization of enemy with the aid of the tear gas at a distance from 1 to 5 m. his device and operating principle the same, as in prototype, and differences concern the construction of stem and drum. In revolver Rg are used smooth stem and insert. Inside in the muzzle end face of stem threaded, which makes it possible to screw cap for the shooting the signal bullets (with the use of noise cartridges). The construction of stem and drum does not make it possible to use revolver Rg for the shooting live cartridges."

The ones I got today are 1994, 1995 and 1997 production. They made a total of 525 of these and it sounds like they made about 100 a year. The 3 I got today are used but in pristine condition.

I know. I know. TMI. But now we can all be Gward Rewolwer Experts.

Shear_stress
December 12, 2006, 09:37 AM
Sound like a really cool find. Please post some pictures of your gun. Also, let us know how it shoots.

From the links you posted, the Gward appears to be a country cousin of the S&W K-frame.

Harry Paget Flashman
February 3, 2007, 09:30 PM
The new CDNN catalog is out and the Gward .38 is listed on page 24 for $179.99. I bought mine from them off their email flyer for $139.99 apiece Makes me glad I bought 3 of them. (Happy Foot Dance!) :)

Babarsac
February 15, 2007, 12:20 AM
I'm thinking of getting one as well. Too bad they're $40 more now. Anyhoo $179 for a revolver isn't to bad. Hey Harry Paget Flashman how did it shoot?

Hank Zudd
May 5, 2007, 08:44 PM
how hard would it be to turn this 4"er into a snubbie? Don't care about front sights, or looks for that matter? thanks

Jim March
May 5, 2007, 09:23 PM
If you're going to chop one, here's a strong option for a front sight, just get a dovetail cut to match:

http://gunblast.com/Freedom_NewSight.htm

Get the shortest one FA is selling, be ready to file it down more and then cold blue it. Should work fine.

Hmmm...with that funky "barrel extension" you might have to chop it to 2.75" or something but, nothing wrong with that. I do recommend retaining whatever system they're using to capture the end of the ejector rod, rather than let the rod free-float.

From the pics, the whole gun seems to be a loose clone of an S&W of some sort. S&Ws need the ejector end controlled, unlike the Rugers, Charters and Colts.

One thing though: 50+ years from now this thing might be insanely valuable and somebody may find your chopped version and just completely freak out :).

Harry Paget Flashman
May 6, 2007, 04:55 PM
The pictures in the links don't really do this revolver justice. I think that once you look at how well crafted it is you won't want to chop it.

Hank Zudd
May 6, 2007, 09:24 PM
thanks for the imput.

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