[Mizzoutiger]

Governor Bob Holden's office says the CCW is in a "review process" and that he is paying special attention to a poll they are taking.

Hit this poll up! Let em know that we want our rights back!

Phone num to poll: 573-751-3222

Email: mogov@mail.state.mo.us

FAX: (573) 751-1495

[S_O_Laban]

Just tried to get through and did to a recording. It seems that they only are open M-F 8 to 5. Thought I would throw that out there before any body else burns some long distance time at the "wrong" time:D

[clange]

This needs to be bumped monday, so i'm uh bumping it now and subscribing to it. :)

[StLGlocker]

Bumping this up to make everyone aware that if you call during normal business hours, the staffer will put you into a voicemail box when you request the Governor's opinion line. Just leave a message asking him to sign HB349.

And, Monday's a holiday. MO people make sure this is up top on Tuesday. :D

[Mizzoutiger]

Reminder. This is what we've been fighting for for soooo long.

[jmcc11]

Don't forget to call Tuesday.

[Mizzoutiger]

Tuesday Bump!

[Cliff]

Mid morning bump. I called the number,phone rang about 20 times,but it was finally answered.

[campergeek]

Missourians, if you didn't call today (Tuesday), don't forget to do so tomorrow (Wednesday)! Light up the phones for your rights!

[jmcc11]

Bump

[Frohickey]

Make that phone line... BURN!!!:evil:

[Mitch1911]

btt

Please call, e-mail or write to support HB349 in Missouri. This is a crucial time for us Missourians and it is important for Governor Holden to hear that this works in other states. Thanks.

[F4GIB]

^^^

[BAB]

I'm very curious as to any news regarding this. Anyone?

Also, can we maintain some hope based on the fact that Holden didn't veto the bill right out of the gate, and in fact, still hasn't done so?

[Frenchy]

This is part of an e-mail exchange I had with my District Rep. Last week. I left the first part of the e-mail out as it doesn't have any thing to do with the bill.
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Subject: Re: LUETKEMEYER'S LEGISLATIVE LOOK - 06/02/03


You're preaching to the choir Blane, but you're correct. I'm sick and tired of Holden's political posturing at my expense.
By the way...Is he going to veto the CCW bill, or let it lay on his desk.

Regards,
Steve Harvey
MCSD
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Steve: Haven't heard anything on it yet. Would assume he will sign it as most legislation we hear early in the session if the Gov. has a problem with it.
Best regards,
Blaine Luetkemeyer
115th District
Toll Free 877/571-7247
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This analysis from the "MOCCW. org" website suggests that it might be politically expedient for "One Term Bob" to sign the bill. Check it out; it's a good read.
MOCCW.org (http://www.moccw.org/hotnews/hotnews.html)

[bogie]

Can he "pocket veto" the bill? What if he just lets it sit on his desk until the end of the session/his term/whatever?

[Mitch1911]

He cannot pocket veto HB349. If he does not sign it by July 5, it will become law automatically. He has 45 days from bill delivery to sign, veto or let pass without signature.
Please keep calling or writing the Governor letting him know how much support is out there for CCW in MO.

[StLGlocker]

Also, can we maintain some hope based on the fact that Holden didn't veto the bill right out of the gate, and in fact, still hasn't done so?

I'm cautiously optomistic because he didn't kill it right off, but I'm not sure how much should be read into that. Right now, the governor is putting 100% of his time into arguing with the House and Senate in an emergency session over the state budget. He might just be waiting until that's resolved before turning his attention to waiting bills.

[Bruce H]

Or he is going to use if for leverage. You want ccw pass my budget.

[Frenchy]

Or he is going to use if for leverage. You want ccw pass my budget.

The bill doesn't have enough pop for leverage on the budget, IMO. I think "One Term Bob' will let it sit.

[Mitch1911]

The Governor did sign/veto various bills today, so he is active in other bills outside of the budget. This is a good sign as it means that he is thinking harder about the ccw issue. I would expect to hear something either next week as the special session comes to a close or he will let it pass through the July 5 deadline. Let's hope he takes the ENTIRE state's opinion into consideration in this matter.

[Frenchy]

Let's hope he takes the ENTIRE state's opinion into consideration in this matter.

Unfortunately, his idea of the "entire state" stops at the St. Louis County line.
I hope I'm wrong this time.

[Mitch1911]

Agreed, although he is getting more political pressure from rural democrats on this issue this time around. They have put many restrictions on this bill, so the Governor will be able to say that he was a part of that, if that is what it takes to get it passed. I just hope they work out some "behind closed doors" agreement for this bill to be passed ASAP. Maybe then, our border states will follow suit.

[Frenchy]

Amen Mitch...Amen!

[StLGlocker]

Bump. Keep up the pressure, folks.

The date I'm hearing lately as the deadline for action on the bill is July 14th. Governor Holden needs to keep hearing about this. Call, write, fax, email.

He isn't making any friends due to his stubborn resistance on the budget passed by the House and Senate. Vetoing ccw on top of it will likely kill him and the entire Democratic party in next year's elections, and I think (hope) he's starting to see just what a slippery slope his party is on of late.

[Mitch1911]

I believe the deadline is still July 5th for veto/signing, as that will be the 45 day deadline. I would expect to hear something either way next week. I have not read anything in the press lately about HB349, so I think he is safe in just letting it pass quietly without signature.

[Frenchy]

I agree Mitch...It's been pretty quiet, up in Jeff City. Except for the budget war, of course!! :)

[S_O_Laban]

I too agree. Each day that passes with no news on this is very promising. I have to belive that some of his "wise advisiors" truly understand his delimia and are trying to keep this nail out of his political coffin.

[revlar]

I'm a MO state employee who (thankfully!) is able to work out of my home. I thought the mood in our (Jeff City) office was bad until I had to spend some time in several school district superintendent offices this past week. At least our budget bill is signed. There are some VERY worried faces among the Department of Education people.
The Gov has his hands full with the budget and is making a LOT of enemies. I believe LTC has become the least of his worries. My gut feeling is that he will let HB349 go on by without a whimper. I hope that's not just not wishful thinking, but I do know that the Dems are walking a very thin line between the labor unions and the LTC interests. I can't help but think the party is putting some pressure on him to not damage the voter base any more than he already has.
Tick-tick.

[Kaxter]

Im calling tomarrow...well actually monday I guess...

I really hope that we will all be able to carry here in Missouri.

[CasualShooter]

Kaxter - Missouri is my Native State and I still have family there. I hope you get your wish. If it goes in Missouri, it will put more pressure on its border states to do the same.

It passed the legislature in Kansas in '96 or '97; but, was vetoed by a "Moderate" Republican Governor :banghead: (a closet democrat me thinks). :cuss: :fire:

Now, Kansas has a new Democratic Governor. I am hopeful that if it goes in Missouri, the Republican Controled Legislature in Kansas may be further encouraged to pass it again and force our new govornor to deal with this issue. :D

[revlar]

Well folks, the Governor has four working days to do the deed.

If he vetoes next week he will have denied Missourians the right to the ("politically correct" - i.e., concealed carry) means of defending themselves during the very week when Americans celebrate their independence from despotism.

Should, God forbid, the Gov veto it next week, I propose an open-carry day on July 4 (unloaded sidearms - let's not get drunk and stupid and give the antis more ammo to use against us). But we just might make a point that few would soon forget.

If, as I suspect, he simply lets HB349 become law, then I will enroll in an appropriate NRA safety class and will be the first in line at my sheriff's office on August 28th (when the bill becomes law) to complete my LTC application.

The wait is nearly over.

[jmcc11]

Doesn't the Govenor have until midnight on the 14th to take action on the bill?

[Mitch1911]

I have seen both the 5th and the 14th thrown around as possible action dates, although the MO constitution says the Governor has 45 days from delivery of the bill to act. By definition that would be July 5th. Maybe it has something to do with the special session or weekend days. If anyone can clarify, please do so. I still believe he will let this pass, as an override in September would be far to embarassing. Let's just keep the phones busy with our support and cross our fingers.

[revlar]

Per the Second Amendment Coalition of Missouri (SACMO), HB349 was delivered to the Governor's desk on May 21, 2003. He has 45 days to act from the time the bill is delivered to him. That makes July 5th his last day to veto. July 14 is the 45th day from the end of the regular legislative session.

Unless there's some scholars of the Missouri Constitution out there to provide further clarification, I tend to trust in what SACMO has to say about it.

[jmcc11]

http://www.gov.state.mo.us/legis03/laf062703.htm . At the bottom of the page it states July 14 is the last day for him to sign bills.

[revlar]

http://www.moga.state.mo.us/const/A03031.HTM

[jmcc11]

From what I've read the regular session ended May 16th. The bill was placed on his desk the 21st, so he has 45 days to act on it. The 45 days starts from May 30th which is the ajournment date per the Constitution. So he has until the 14th of July if I'm not mistaken.

http://www.senate.state.mo.us/bill-law.htm


http://www.senate.state.mo.us/schedule-2003.htm

[Kaxter]

So is the age limit going to be 23? I'm 21 and would really like to carry due to my job, but I fear the age is 23...

[jmcc11]

You have to be 23 to carry, but I believe at 21 you will be able to have a firearm concealed in your car.

[CasualShooter]

Article III, Section 31 of the Missouri Constitution reads, in part,

"Every bill which shall have passed the house of representatives and the senate shall be presented to and considered by the governor, and within fifteen days after presentment , he shall return such bill to the house in which it originated endorsed with his approval or accompanied by his objections. If the bill be approved by the governor, it shall become a law. When the general assembly adjourns, or recesses for a period of thirty days or more, the governor shall return within forty-five days any bill to the office of the secretary of state with his approval or reasons for disapproval. If any bill shall not be returned by the governor within the time limits prescribed by this section it shall become law in like manner as if the governor had signed it."

So he would normally have only 15 days after a bill was delivered to him to sign or veto it and return to the house in which it originated; but, since the general assembly has adjourned "for thirty days or more," he has 45 days to veto or approve and return to the secretary of state.

Missouri's Congressional Web Site shows HB349 delivered to the Governor on May 21, 2003.

Adding 45 days would mean the Governor's moment of truth on License to Carrry will be July 5, 2003. Say, that's the day after INDEPENDENCE DAY! :D Seems appropriate, somehow. :)

[CasualShooter]

BTW here's what Second Ammendment Coalition of Missouri said

<http://www.sacmo.org/jeffcitynews.htm>

May 22nd, 2003

HB 349 and SB 13 were delivered to the governor yesterday. He has 45 days to decide what, if any, action he will take regarding them. If by July 6, he has not taken any action regarding these bills, they will become law. HB349 (License to Carry) is scheduled to take effect on August 28, 2003. Below is a link to the final draft of the bill with the details of the requirements and procedures for obtaining a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills03/biltxt/truly/HB0349T.HTM



Next week (June 30-July 3) is the time to call the govornor's office and light up his switchboard with POLITE support for LTC HB 349. This must be done during NORMAL business hours (8:00 AM - 5:00 PM - and as we all know,
Friday, July 4, is a National Holiday):D

[jmcc11]

http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/9039



Check out the bottom posting.

[StLGlocker]

July 14th is what the Governor's office people told me.

I saw some CCW supporters standing outside the St. Louis Galleria along Brentwood Blvd with signs about half an hour ago. Very cool. If they'd publicized it better I'd have made up a sign and hung out with them awhile.

[CasualShooter]

jmcc11....

Interesting....It hadn't occured to me that politicians may count different ways; but, I'll stick to what I read in the Missouri Constitution. On July 5, the govornor will have had it on his desk for 45 days. If he hasn't signed and returned it to the Secretary of State by then it becomes law the next day according to Article III, Section 31 of the Missouri Constitution. :banghead:

[clange]

Either way start lighting up his phone and dont let up until we hear word one way or the other.

[CasualShooter]

Agreed :D And the difference is little more than one additional week:(