[Dave P]

I know we have discussed this a few times, but it APPEARS that this is a murder using a FA weapon. I know the article does not say, but TV this morning said so and showed about 50 .223 casings on the ground.

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Orange County -- A west Orange County mother was killed Wednesday when her home was sprayed with dozens of bullets in an apparent drive-by shooting, authorities said.

It's unclear why the house was targeted.

The incident took place about 9:25 p.m. on West Gore Avenue near South Ivey Lane as Busha Gray, 36, was inside her one-story home with a baby, two elementary-school-age children and a teenager, sheriff's Sgt. Allen Lee said.

"That there were children in there shows total disregard," he said.

None of the children was hit, but a dog in the line of fire died.

At least three dozen gunshots came without warning from a dark-colored pickup -- possibly a two-toned Dodge Ram, said Cpl. Susan Soto, a sheriff's spokeswoman.

It was the 55th murder this year in unincorporated Orange County.

[doubleg]

Heres one that happened in my area. I knew the "suspect" in the link.

Hope he has fun in Lewisburg.;)

http://post-gazette.com/pg/06332/741814-55.stm

[doubleg]

I remember reading that about 9/10 of the shooters in drive bys in L.A. excape with out bieng chaught. Hope they chatch him.

[CNYCacher]

I don't see what part of the story indicated that it was a FA weapon. Is it the volume of fire or the word "sprayed"?

[Third_Rail]

Yes, what indicates that it was a full-auto?

There have been many cases where criminals would literally stop the car, hop out, fire until empty, reload, fire until empty, get back in the car and drive off and never get caught. It boggles the mind.

[Manedwolf]

There have been many cases where criminals would literally stop the car, hop out, fire until empty, reload, fire until empty, get back in the car and drive off and never get caught. It boggles the mind.

That's what happens when no other members of the population are armed. In a more FREE area, if someone had gotten out of their car and was hosing a hose like that, some other neighbor would have them in crosshairs before they had a chance to reload.

[dave_pro2a]

Even if a FA weapon was used... was it a legal one?

If it was illegal, well duh, of course a bad guy will ignore laws to modify a semi auto to full auto, what's a 20 year weapons conviction mean when it's tacked onto a life sentence for murder.

[cuervo]

Full-auto murders really aren't any different than semi-auto murders. What should be cited here is that a full-auto was created illegally (or smuggled into the country illegally) despite a 70 year old law regulating full-auto and a 20 year old law banning the creation of new full-autos.

In other words--murderers are going to murder regardless of the law and will use whatever weapon they can manage.

[mbt2001]

Anyone remeber the story of the SWAT guy in California that had his G3 rifle and UMP .45 with silencer stolen? Wonder if it is the same weapon?

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=235640&highlight=silencer

[El Tejon]

Wasn't that Florida, not California???

They both have Orange Counties but only one of them is on television.:D Mmmm, Misha.:cool:

[1911Tuner]

In the early spring...pretty sure...of 1981, there was a full-auto shooting near Stanleyville, NC at the old Crossroads Cycle Shop. An unknown assailant
stepped into the small building just after dark and started making figure 8s with an Ingram M-11 (.380) open-bolt pistol that had been converted to non-selective full auto fire. (The weapon was recovered) He emptied one magazine, reloaded, and emptied another one into the man killed and the other one that was down. One escaped through the back when the shooting started with two non life-threatening wounds.

One killed and two wounded...one permanently disabled...all of whom I knew well, and went to school with. One guy's father had been my regular barber for years.

So...Yes Virginia. There have been a few full-auto shootings. Of course, I place the blame squarely on the gun. Had it not been for the availability of that M-11 machine pistol, the shooter would have probably just gone down to the YMCA that evening to shoot a few hoops instead of mowin' down three people on private property.

[ilbob]

Full-auto murders really aren't any different than semi-auto murders. What should be cited here is that a full-auto was created illegally (or smuggled into the country illegally) despite a 70 year old law regulating full-auto and a 20 year old law banning the creation of new full-autos.

not withstanding the ten thousand plus year old tradition banning murder.

[mbt2001]

you got me there...

:uhoh:

[Tommygunn]

I am sure there have been many cases where gangs and drug runners have converted a legal semiauto into an illegal full auto for various peuposes. With some guns it isn't hard.
I'm also sure that a lot of gang murders are done with semis that are being rapidly fired, which to ingnorant people, may sound like automatic fire.

[10 Ring Tao]

There was a subgun or carbine stolen from a detroit cop's SUV while he was (illegally IIRC) parked and attending a tigers game. It was sitting in a soft case on the seat.

[Zundfolge]

"spray" doesn't equal "full auto" to these people.

Keep in mind that Brady and the other antis wanted to ban "Assault Weapons capable of spraying bullets all over the place." and they were talking about semi auto firearms.

To most media types (who are generally anti gun) "spray" = fire more than one shot without operating a bolt, lever or pump.

[DoubleTapDrew]

There was a subgun or carbine stolen from a detroit cop's SUV while he was (illegally IIRC) parked and attending a tigers game. It was sitting in a soft case on the seat.
I think it was an M16 with a 9mm upper IIRC.
Years back there was a swat cop here that had his house broken into and an MP5 and M16 was stolen. I never hear about private MG owners losing them but then again that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Probably more sensational for the news to report a LEO's weapon being stolen.
There have been lots of crimes with MG's but only one or two with a legally owned one. That said, it doesn't sound like this case involved one :p

[MisterPX]

Of course, I place the blame squarely on the gun. Had it not been for the availability of that M-11 machine pistol, the shooter would have probably just gone down to the YMCA that evening to shoot a few hoops instead of mowin' down three people on private property.

I'm gonna hope that was sarcastic. :scrutiny:

[Leanwolf]

THIRD RAIL - "There have been many cases where criminals would literally stop the car, hop out, fire until empty, reload, fire until empty, get back in the car and drive off and never get caught. It boggles the mind."


T.R., it isn't a matter of getting caught. Quite often the police catch the suspects, but when it comes time to call forth the witnesses... they just ain't there. Or, they "didn't see a thing."

This is because the gangstas have made it very, very clear that anyone who testifies against them, ends up in the morgue. Case closed. :fire:

FWIW.

L.W.

[antagonist22]

showed about 50 .223 casings on the ground.


So? You can get through 50 rounds of .223 easily even with a semi.

What if there were TWO criminals with Two semi-auto weapons?

[Zundfolge]

So? You can get through 50 rounds of .223 easily even with a semi.
I can empty a 30 round magazine, reload and empty another 30 round magazine in 15-20 seconds easily with my AR15 (especially if I'm not aiming).

"about 50" empties means a reload regardless of whether its full auto or semi auto (unless they have a Beta C mag ... which is unlikely).

[MarkDido]

I know we have discussed this a few times, but it APPEARS that this is a murder using a FA weapon. I know the article does not say, but TV this morning said so and showed about 50 .223 casings on the ground.

cccccccccccccccccccccccc

Orange County -- A west Orange County mother was killed Wednesday when her home was sprayed with dozens of bullets in an apparent drive-by shooting, authorities said.

It's unclear why the house was targeted.

The incident took place about 9:25 p.m. on West Gore Avenue near South Ivey Lane as Busha Gray, 36, was inside her one-story home with a baby, two elementary-school-age children and a teenager, sheriff's Sgt. Allen Lee said.

"That there were children in there shows total disregard," he said.

None of the children was hit, but a dog in the line of fire died.

At least three dozen gunshots came without warning from a dark-colored pickup -- possibly a two-toned Dodge Ram, said Cpl. Susan Soto, a sheriff's spokeswoman.

It was the 55th murder this year in unincorporated Orange County.


I heard the story on my way into work at the S. O. tonight.

Spokesperson said that the rounds may have come from a "high powered rifle" like an Ak-47 or M-16 (?)

[1911Tuner]

MisterPX quipped:

>I'm gonna hope that was sarcastic.<
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Nooooo! I was completely serious. In fact...I'll bet that if guns had been outlawed altogether, the shooter probably would have entered the ministry straight outta high-school and gone on to establish a humanitarian outpost in the wilds of Outer Turdistan, won the Nobel Peace Prize, and single-handedly
breached the chasm of misunderstanding and mistrust between east and west. But he didn't. He chose to become a murdering scab on the nether regions of humanity because that Mac-11's evil persona overwhelmed his true nature and turned him toward the dark side.

:scrutiny:

[BobTheTomato]

I guess if your shooting up a house bump fire is always an option.

[220_Swift]

Orange County -- A west Orange County mother was killed Wednesday when her home was sprayed with dozens of bullets in an apparent drive-by shooting, authorities said.

It's unclear why the house was targeted.

The incident took place about 9:25 p.m. on West Gore Avenue near South Ivey Lane as Busha Gray, 36, was inside her one-story home with a baby, two elementary-school-age children and a teenager, sheriff's Sgt. Allen Lee said.

"That there were children in there shows total disregard," he said.

None of the children was hit, but a dog in the line of fire died.

At least three dozen gunshots came without warning from a dark-colored pickup -- possibly a two-toned Dodge Ram, said Cpl. Susan Soto, a sheriff's spokeswoman.

It was the 55th murder this year in unincorporated Orange County.


Uhhhhh, shooting at a house shows total disregard. Regardless of if their was children in their, or adults.

[Third_Rail]

Spokesperson said that the rounds may have come from a "high powered rifle" like an Ak-47 or M-16 (?)


Why is it that no one stands up and laughs hard when someone calls the .223 a "high powered" round? Ditto 7.62x39mm. 30-06? Sure! .50BMG? You bet. But .22 centerfire and 7.62 short? No. Not high-powered.

[Manedwolf]

To media spokespeople, anything that looks scary is "high powered". The fact that a Marlin 30-30 lever action is of far higher "power" than a decked out mallninja AR in .223 doesn't matter.

[joab]

Wasn't that Florida, not California???
Yes it is Florida
It's unclear why the house was targeted. I know the area and can just about bet on the reason
That's what happens when no other members of the population are armed. In a more FREE area, if someone had gotten out of their car and was hosing a hose like that, some other neighbor would have them in crosshairs before they had a chance to reload.This is particularly crime infested, dangerous, and well armed part of Orlando.
I have driven through there and watched a group of young businessmen demonstrating their wares by shooting into a stump in their, or somebody's, front yard at noon

I can only find two story on the incident, neither mentions anything about the gun or caliber,or number of assailants. But being a truck there could have been 2 or 3 people in the bed

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-driveby112906,0,2492256.story

[MarkDido]

I heard the "it was either an AK-47 or an M-16" comment on WDBO on the way home in the am.

So which was it? Did they find 7.62x39 or .223 casings on the ground?