[delta_chi_senator]

I'm on page FIFTEEN of a google search to try to
figure out the best way to conceal a handgun. I've
been reading and skimming over articles for some time.

I'm in Texas and plan to get my concealed permit soon.
However, I'm a very, very fat guy, to be perfectly
honest, and have had no luck finding any good
suggestions on where to conceal the weapon. At my
size, my jacket has to come off often due to it
getting quite hot. I've read that the small of the
back is no good (though I thought it best for me until
I started reading all these articles against it). Any
suggestions?

Thanks.

[kd7nqb]

My father and I are also large men here are some suggestions.

1. Bellyband with either a standard button-up or faux buttonup with secret velcro.
2.Ankle, not the most convienent but not awful.
3.Fanny Pack

A lot of trial and error is the best option. Also many holster and belt makers have larger sizes than they advertise a quick email can get you much better results.

[ArfinGreebly]

Have you looked at SmartCarry.com?
http://www.smartcarry.com/

I don't know if any of their standard stuff would fit, but they are a small enough outfit that I'm pretty sure you could get a custom version of their belt.
http://www.smartcarry.com/ordertxt.htm#hipwaist

If you can get a belt length that works, the holster portion is available in sizes for pretty much all classes of sidearm -- including 4-inch K-frame/L-frame revolvers.

[Don't Tread On Me]

Smart carry is a good choice. It will conceal even better since your a big guy, since it rests in the gap under the belly and above the crotch. Smart carry can conceal a 1911 on a medium sized guy. The only negative is draw speed. This is absolutely your best choice if pocket carry or belt carry is not possible.

If you wear even remotely baggy pants, consider pocket holsters. Even medium sized guys can make a snubnose revolver disappear in pants. Small flat guns like the Kahr are easy to conceal.

Someone I know is huge. I gave them my HK to try to conceal. He put it in his jeans pocket and it disappeared completely. I could never pull that off. Note, this is a USP Compact, which isn't really compact.

Depends a lot on your dress. Some big guys were clothes that are tighter, others have baggy clothes that drape. Material and color also play a role. Jeans and darker thicker materials conceal better since any slight printing is invisible. Lighter thinner materials shadow and lets everyone see the topography. If you wear a lot of jeans or dark pants, pocket carry is even more doable.

I'd avoid ankle holster. Fat, thin, medium, fat gut...whatever a persons build, it is a slow method of carry that requires training to execute well. Being heavy makes it worse though. That is probably the worst carry method, and should only be used as a last resort.

What kind of handgun are you trying to conceal? That information would help a lot.

By the way, I am a hard-core believer in buying a gun that fits your lifestyle and clothing, not changing your clothing or lifestyle to fit the gun. Most people go through this very process and in the vast majority of cases, people fail to conceal the gun they think would be best. The best gun is the gun that you can carry as much as possible. Anytime you try and force the issue, or try to make it happen when it's not happening...you will grow tired and annoyed and that gun will start spending more time at home or in the car - which is exactly what you want to avoid.

[Glockman17366]

Try this link: http://www.bullfrogskin.com/

Since a jacket wouldn't work, maybe a dressy vest would...

[sparky2726]

I carry in an IWB holster. I have a pretty good spair tire going on, and the S&W Mdl 37 disappears under a t-shirt for me. I expect a 1911 would also.

Sparky

[ScottsGT]

Same delimma here. It's like trying to conceil a gun on a beach ball by throwing a towel over it :neener:
My best bet was the Kel-Tek P3-AT. I can drop it in my back pocket with the pocket holster and it looks like I'm carrying two wallets. Wear cargo pants. I like the Cabelas 7 pocket hikers, they come in sizes up to 52 inch waist. The front pocket is good at hiding since it has another pocket on the front of it, so you won't print. A good baggy light weight jacket type of shirt works well too if it has big pockets. I've yet to find the perfect one. I have actually thought about using my weight to an advantage and become a "product tester" for some of my own ideas and start to market them.
I don't like to wear a shirt un-tucked, since it makes a large person look even larger, or as my skinny 120 lb wife calls it,"You look like a slob, tuck your shirt in!" so IWB carry can be a problem unless you get the belt clips that allow you to tuck in. Another problem with IWB is the "Love Handle" hang over that digs into the gun. The Milt Sparks Summer Special II has a leather flap that protects against that, but I don't like to wear T shirts under my regular shirt, so I have a hard time feeling the leather rub against me. I tried the "wife beater" T's, but just cannot get used to that either.
I know, some of you guys are probably thinking, "just lose weight" If it was that easy, I would!

[MarkDido]

I've never had to conceal a large man.....

But I did have to conceal a perky little red-head once. :evil:

Oh, I am SO ashamed of myself now!:banghead:

[PennsyPlinker]

Well I am no dainty retiring thing myself, and tip the scales at 400 lbs plus. Not all of it is fat, but there is enough there to ensure that I remain jolly. I have several options I use for carry.

My Kel Tec P3AT is almost always with me in the front pocket of my jeans with a DeSantis Nemesis holster. Some people don't like Kel Tec, but it has been very very reliable for me. Of course, my pocket is big enough that I can also fit something as large as my Sig Sauer SP 2022 in the same pocket! :eek: I've attached two images of how it looks concealed and not. It is not always the most comfortable when sitting in certain positions, but often I can take it out without a problem I can also fit a couple of different revolvers in this same pocket, all with the appropriate holster. I buy my clothes at Casual Male XL.

Recently my wife gave me a Maxpedition Jumbo Versipack. I have a long body and short legs and am fairly tall, so I got an extender strap from Maxpedition, and it works great as well.

edit in: Okay, I don't know what happened to my pics. The rules say img code is on, but that didn't work, so I tried the manage attachment and that didn't work either. Try these links (if indeed I can get a link to work!

http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/PennsyPlinker/?action=view&current=concealedcarry02.jpg

http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l58/PennsyPlinker/?action=view&current=concealedcarry01.jpg

[ZeSpectre]

Man I'm glad somebody started this thread. I'm pondering CCW methods as well and in addition to having a belly, I have a massive scar as well (recovery from the surgery is part of WHY I have the belly. Loosing it slowly but for now I am what I am <sigh>).

Smartcarry looks good to me as well but what the hell with their webpage? Have you looked at SmartCarry.com's order page (http://www.smartcarry.com/ordertxt.htm)? Tons of closely spaced text on a "gravel" background, 'bout gave me a headache trying to read it/wade through it!

Anyway, please keep the XXL-lent suggestions coming (pun intended) :evil:

[TonyB]

I'm a fat guy too....I tried IWB...sucked...tried shoulder holster..also sucked.I did belt carry an SP101 for years,but recently switched to pocket carry of an airweight s and w.....it is awesome!
One method I used when belt carrying,was to get a Desantis holster and actually put it between my belt and pants.This kept the gun real tight to my body.As far as I know,I was never "made"....good luck..

[das028]

Unnecessary, non--high road comment edited out by moderator.

[ZeSpectre]

DAS028 - while you are not wrong about what should be done, it doesn't address the interim -while- one is loseing weight.

For example, my surgery opened me up from navel to breastbone and left me unable to exercise at all for several months, then almost another full year of only being able to do minimal exercise. Now I'm back in action and dropping the pounds but if it took me almost two years to put the weight on, I don't expect it to be gone in a few weeks.

So it's not a bad idea to figure out what to do in the interim. :neener:

[Hemicuda]

I carry in a Galco Jak-Slide holster... (between the pants and belt) in roughly the 4:15 to 4:30 pisition, with the barrel of my gun stuck right into the top edge of my right rear pocket...

It makes drawing my wallet a bit harder, but conceals well, and drawing the gun is easy!

[jlbraun]

To conceal a large man, I would suggest stuffing him in a closet or in your car trunk, if he will fit.

:evil:

[History Prof]

I like threads like this. It reminds the skinny dudes who are sometimes inclined to make comments about the "big fat guy" in some threads that there are all sizes of people on the internet.

Not only am I a big dude, I also have a kidney stone problem, so I can't wear a belt. I need to wear loose pants and button suspenders. I don't have a ccw yet, but I did just pass the class yesterday.:D I plan on an IWB holster in the small of the back (supported by the back strap of the suspenders!) I may have to look into that bullfrog thing, but the good thing about my state is that a "made" concealed weapon simply becomes open carry. I know, I know, everybody always says "concealed means concealed." But unconcealing a concealed weapon here isn't a violation unless you do so in a threatening manner. Summers are gonna be difficult, though...

Hey, for us chubby fellas, a loose vest could be used to conceal more than the pistol.:neener:

[mnrivrat]

This one carries an air-lite snub in his front pants pocket.

I used to carry a Kel-Tec P3-AT which was like having nothing in the pocket and this worked OK.

Function on mine was just fine, but I still have a personal higher trust in a revolver. It doesn't carry as well, even in a good holster, but concealment is not a problem.

[PennsyPlinker]

DAS028 - while you are not wrong about what should be done, it doesn't address the interim -while- one is loseing weight.

I missed the comment since it was edited out, but it is not hard to figure out what it was. I get real tired of skinny people preaching to fat people about their weight. Yeah, some fat people are lazy, but so are skinny people. I have a skinny kid (not related to me) working for me. He is 28 years younger than I am and nice and slim, and I can work him into the ground any day I want to, and have done so every time I try.

The worst are skinny people who are genetically skinny who love to preach at us fat guys. Well guess what? I am genetically fat. Most of the people in my family are fat for years and years back in time. I was born fat, and with the exception of a few years in high school, I have been fat all my life. I also have a cholesterol level of 142 and a BP of 117/75, much better than a lot of skinny people I know. I don't take any credit for that either. It is genetic. Oh yeah, I have a nutritionist who took body fat measurements on me, and informed me that if I got down to zero percent body fat (pretty much impossible) I would still weigh 280 lbs!

This probably has a good chance of being edited out, but hey, if I'm too fat to run from trouble, I need a good gun by my side, right? :evil:

[PennsyPlinker]

This one carries an air-lite snub in his front pants pocket.

I've got a S&W .357 airlite that weighs just 17 oz and carries seven shots. Sometimes it is just a hair too big to carry because it has some great big honking sights on it. I just last week picked up a used Taurus Totally Titanium in .38 special that is real light and easy to carry, but I have not yet had opportunity to carry it yet.

[SharpDog]

Ok, one joke ... Have you tried camouflage ?

Seriously, I think fanny packs are the answer. Concealment is easy. Draw is reasonable if you get the velcro closures and you dan leave the pack easily in the car without exposing the gun if you enter a restricted area. I have several. The ORIGINAL DeSantis gunny sack has velcro closures, newer ones are zippered. BagMasters also makes several sizes with velcro closures.

http://www.desantisholster.com/r60.html
http://www.bagmaster.com/website/cart/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=56&cat=Fanny+and+Belt+Packs
http://www.gungear.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?3X300536

Also:
Safepacker™ Holster
http://thewilderness.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/18

[dbracin]

Pocket carry works well for me. A Keltec P-3AT in a Hedley pocket holster, for when I don't feel like IWB carry. Depending on the style of jeans, my Kahr PM9 in a pocket holster works wonderful. :D

[ScottsGT]

The worst are skinny people who are genetically skinny who love to preach at us fat guys. Well guess what? I am genetically fat. Most of the people in my family are fat for years and years back in time. I was born fat, and with the exception of a few years in high school, I have been fat all my life. I also have a cholesterol level of 142 and a BP of 117/75, much better than a lot of skinny people I know. I don't take any credit for that either. It is genetic.



First comment, my wife! The rest of your comment, ME TOO! Mom, Grandfather & Grandmother. I take after them. But I too have the low cholesterol and BP (on very mild medication).
On a funny note here, close friend talked me into joining the local 24 hour fitness club. WE worked out 3 times a week, watched what we ate for 8 months. We both gained weight! I did not lose any girth, just gained muscle, so we both quit the "Fat boy's Strong club"

[Sistema1927]

I was in the same place, about 18 months ago. I used my good lipids/cholesterol/blood pressure figures to disguise the fact that I was carrying around way too much weight. I don't know what my top weight was, but I now weigh 260 pounds and have lost 16" off of my waist. I am still working on losing weight, and in about another 40 pounds I will be at the same weight I was at when I graduated from basic training 26 years ago (I am 6'3"). For me, the South Beach diet was the way to go.

At my worst, I also found it hard to conceal a pistol, even pocket carry was a challenge due to thick thighs. I carry 90% of the time now using pocket carry, but can now easily carry IWB or OWB if I desire.

However, this is but a slight benefit, the difference in energy and endurance, as well as the added confidence make me realize that I never want to pack the pounds on again. Besides, I now eat to live instead of live to eat, and actually enjoy my meals now that I have learned how to eat properly. One last benefit is the fact that my wife now finds me much more enjoyable, if you know what I mean...

[Car Knocker]

With the right clothing, a person can pocket carry a .45ACP. I do. So does at least one of our other members.

[RyanM]

I'm starting to become an advocate of OWB strong side carry whenever you can pull it off. Much more comfortable than IWB, especially for us fatties (though I'm more like pleasantly plump, at 5'8" and 185#). A long T-shirt works for me, and my "love handles" drape the shirt over the gun, all but totally hiding it. A Hawaiian shirt would probably work well during the summer, and some kind of jacket during the winter.

[Geronimo45]

A snubby .38 in the pocket ought to work for anybody with a pocket. I'm guessing it's the best means of carry - you can have it in your hand without drawing attention, doesn't require any extra clothes.

There's a few holsters that are really looked badly upon: Small of back, shoulder, and ankle come to mind... shoulder being uncomfortable to many, requiring a jacket. SOB requires you to rupture a few disks if you happen to slip on something and fall on your backside. Ankle requires you to 'use the Force, Luke' to keep the dratted thing off the pavement. If you wear cowboy boots, it may work. Slow to draw from, requires a small gun. Small gun could be just as easily carried, in all cases I can think up, in a pocket holster.

Have tried ankle carry with a knife. It kept wanting to go south for the winter. Now, if you get some WWI-ish leggings going up your leg, you can probably punch a hole through it to hold that ankle holster up. Epoxy comes to mind, as well.

[Hemicuda]

Today it is a Smith & Wesson 4506... at 4:30 in the Galco Jak-Slide... for those unfamiliar, this is a FULL SIZED (like me!) .45, DA/SA decocker gun... like the full size 1911 Colt's... NOT a small piece...

only covering garment I need is a t-shirt...

I can and DO carry a 5 shot S&W 637 .38Spl, and or a S&W 4006 or 410 (bot .40S&W cal) in the same holster, at the same location... I'm tellin' ya... it works!

the ONLY time it prints is when I have a t-shirt that is a TAD tight... trust me... you CAN conceal a big gun... just put the darned thing in the right place!

[delta_chi_senator]

Thanks everybody for all your input. If anyone has anything else to add, please do! What I'm carrying now is a 32mag 1950's era 5-shot revolver just in my khakis pocket. I'm a really nostalgic guy, and I love old guns, so I'm happy to be putting one to use. You oughta hear this thing when its fired--- sounds like a cannon. The pistol is almost 50 years old, but it never lets me down. I just got back from Houston where I bought a thousand rounds of 32magnumHR. I can't find that ammo in Tyler or Dallas. Look, this is not my firearm of choice, but it will work for me now. Feels good in my pocket, feels good in my hand. Seems invisible. Not using any holster of any type. Its just sitting there loaded in my pocket. Its not unusually small or compact, it just seems to be a good fit for my pocket. Any opinions on the 32mag?? I say its a plausable, reliable round that should not be taken lightly nor discounted as too small. Do not judge it UNLESS YOU'VE FIRED IT. Any input, y'all?

[dasmi]

I've got no opinion on .32, since I've never shot one, but if you've found a gun that conceals well on you, and you enjoy carrying, and you're comfortable with, I think you're set.

[delta_chi_senator]

dasmi, a .32 is a nice little pop gun. but, the 32mag is worth giving a try, I promise. You will enjoy shooting that expensive round if you give it a try. Go out of your way to give it a try as a favor to me and let me know what you think, ok? I'd like your opinion.

[dasmi]

I don't know anyone with anything in .32, but if I come across one, I'll try it out.

[ArchAngelCD]

delta_chi_senator,
A .32 Mag is in no way even close to a .32 auto, it is a serious round just like you said!! Also, a .32 bullet is a 7.65mm round, same round that was used in Europe during WWII. The only problem with that bullet sitting in a .32 auto is the power. With just over 900 fps and only 120 or so ft/lbs of energy it's not the best defensive round but the .32 Mag is a totally different story. At over 1000 fps and nearly 240 ft/lbs of energy, I don't see why it wouldn't be your round of choice for self defense. I think it's a great carry round personally.

I would suggest you buy a pocket holster for your .32 for several reasons. First, it will keep your gun upright so you can draw it fast and easy id needed. Second, it will keep all the lint and dirt which always seems to gather in pockets out of your gun. I bought a nice pocket holster for $10 off Ebay. I'm sure you can find a really nice one for the same price in your local shop too.

Do you have any pics of your .32 Mag, I would love to see it.

[TimboKhan]

I too am a very, very fat guy and I find that I can carry IWB on my strong side pretty comfortably. The trick is in finding a gun to suit you, not suiting yourself to the gun. I carry a Taurus 605 in a little Uncle Mikes Pouch, and it is comfortable and accessible. I don't want to gross anyone out here, but my lovehandles basically take care of any printing issues. I can, and have, carried bigger guns on occasion, to include my Ruger P90. However, if I plan on carrying all day long, it is simply a pain (literally and figuratively) to do so. The 605 carries 5 rounds of .357, and I carry a speed strip with 5 more rounds in my pocket, so it's not like I am undergunned or anything like that. If I were more formally dressed, I would adjust my carry gun again to something like a Kel-Tec. Something I could slip into a pocket without thinking too much about and that would be comfortable. Yes, it's something of a "last resort" gun, but for day to day business, I think it would be delightful. In fact, I would like one now for those quick trips to the store when I am just wearing shorts and putting a bigger gun on is a pain! Also, because I am frequently in situations where carrying is just plain illegal, I ALWAYS keep a 9mm with 15 rounds of Hydra-Shok in my truck.

[delta_chi_senator]

by golly, I appreciate somebody that understands the power of the 32mag. no, I have no pics of that pistol but I will get them and post them in the next couple of days, I promise. I gotta buy a damn digital camera first!

[Iggy]

delta_chi_senator

I think you have a viable pistol.

Do consider getting a pocket holster to carry it in... Mika makes a dandy.. It feels bulky when you first get it, but it conforms to your gun and you after a few days wear and works great..

He is a super guy to deal with too.

[ScottsGT]

Does a revolver that old have a transfer bar safety? Or do you carry one empty under the hammer?
I knew of a guy that carried an old revolver in an ankle holster and was running across a parking lot and hit the bumper of a car and fired a round thru his foot. Be careful with those older revolver designs.

[tinygnat219]

Delta-Chi,

My experience with it has been limited, but favorable. Reminds me of firing a .38 SPL, which isn't all that much in terms of recoil. The 32 H&R supposedly has the stopping power of a .38 SPL, so it's acceptable for a main carry gun. My only issue with it is that there aren't a lot of options for it. I think each revolver manufacturer makes a total of 2 chamberings for it, so your options for a new carry piece can be limited.

As you probably know,.32 H&R Mag is the evolution of the .32 S&W Long, like the .357 from the 38 SPL. I find the .32 S&W Long round extremely accurate and pleasant to fire. Your Revolver should be able to handle the 32 S&W Long ammo as well and you can get in some decent practice time and get your stance down, etc.

I say as long as the revolver is reliable, and you can hit what you aim at, go for it. If you can carry it comfortably, even better.

TJ

[dmallind]

Well at 280 I may be a junior Bubba to some of the big guys who have already commented, but I'm certainly portly enough to know the problem.

Tried a multitude of options and ended up with a Kahr PM-9 and a KD Pocket Defender. True pocket size - about 5" x 4" x 1" which prints just like a wallet when seated and not at all when standing even in jeans that are as tight as any we girth-enhanced should consider wearing; weighs around a pound fully loaded, handles +P just fine (Gold Dot 124gr+P JHPs are my choice) and while not cheap is not ridiculous at about $560 with nightsights. Mine has been reliable from day one, others have had some teething troubles as for any model. The printing advantage of a flat semi-auto as opposed to a revolver cylinder is considerable in my experience, although I confess for cooler weather when jacket-pocket is feasible I do have a hankering for a SW325PD. Any way you slice it though the Kahr is one of the most concealable potent-caliber firearms out there.

Here's the exact setup I have - image taken from www.kdholsters.com. Hope he doesn't mind the grab since I do so with a hearty recommendation from a satisfied customer, but will remove if asked.

http://www.kdholsters.com/images-bg/pd_new_pm9.jpg

[Prince Yamato]

I think this is a case of the person trying to make the gun fit them. I'm not large, but because of how I dress, I have problems concealing anything bigger than a Kel-tec 3at. Solution: get a kel-tec 3AT. That would be my advice to all of you larger men. Some of you say that conceals in your front pocket. Therefore, use that gun. Fanny Packs... NOOOOOO. I fanny pack says two things: 1) I'm carrying or 2) I'm a tourist who is stuck in the 1980s... you might as wear Day-glo pants, noone will see you printing in those :rolleyes:

[cloudcroft]

delta_chi_senator,

You bring up something lots of other people just don't get!

I mean, they think a big guy should have no problem hiding a gun...it's just the opposite. I suspect those people were never big so don't know jack about the issue, or any other issues big people have to go through.

I'm not HUGE but definitely overweight (6 feet, 250 pounds)...I CAN NOT comfortably carry a 1911 concealed. Period. For me, my 1911 is an open-carry gun only, and we don't have open-carry in Texas so it stays in the safe.

So I carry small autos like a Beretta 21A Bobcat (22LR) or 3032 Tomcat (32ACP). Nothing larger than these -- or a Chief's Special snubby -- will work where I carry them...in an ankle-holster, so they have to be small guns. And I am a big fan of small calibers, and can damn well hit what I aim at (so no ignorant comments on "mouseguns" please).

No other place of carry works for me, but these guns in an ankle holster I can carry all day long anywhere and do it comfortably. Consequently, they are ALWAYS with me.

And no, I don't care how "slow" it is to get to because SLOW is RELATIVE: It sure is LOTS faster then going to my car or home to get it!

-- John D.

[earplug]

I use a vest. You can wear shorts.
You can reach your weapon sitting down.
You don't need a big heavy belt. Have the vest made to hold your wallet, phone, favorite knife etc.
Denim seems to work best for me with a bit of leather.
Have it cut about belt level, like a dress vest.

[cloudcroft]

earplug,

I agree with the vest idea.

I have one myself -- a black leather vest that even has gun-pockets in it (and it's aptly called the "Gunslinger" model by the makers) -- but it's only worn when I am riding my MC!

http://www.legendaryusa.com/Legendary_Gunslinger_Vest_w_Gun_Pockets_p/520lpbb.htm

Can't wear an ankle-holster with MC boots so the gun goes in a vest or leather MC jacket pocket...true "pocket-pistol" carry.

When I'm out in my car, the ankle-holster -- and street shoes -- go back on.

-- John D.

[tanksoldier]

I usually conceal large men in refrigerator boxes.

For carrying a firearm, it probably would be best to carry strong-side OWB and wear a vest or tropical shirt... if your lifestyle can handle that.

[carpettbaggerr]

Wasn't the .32 H&R Mag developed in the 80's?

I'd be very wary of firing it in a pistol made in the Fifties. :uhoh:

.32 S&W at 9500 CUP

http://www.wwpowder.com/data/handgun/32sw.php

.32 H&R Mag at 20,700 CUP

http://www.wwpowder.com/data/handgun/32hrmag.php

Greatly accelerated wear is the best you can hope for....

[Mat, not doormat]

I'm not the biggest guy around, but I'm hardly little, either. 6'0, 240 lbs. have been as high as 280. In a way, I'm kind of lucky, as bigger guys, go, since I don't really have a gut, I'm just big all over. I've had the best luck concealing larger guns with a shoulder rig under a snap front shirt. the down side is that a shoulder rig is uncomfortable with all the weight dragging at one side of the body. It's not bad with a double rig, since that balances the the load, or if you have a light gun and a lot of ammo on the other side. My first foray into the shoulder rig business was a S&W model ten, with 4" bull bbl. It takes a h*ll of a lot of .38 rounds to equal the weight of that boat anchor. The back problems that I started to experience led me to get a kel-tec P32 in a pocket holster. I forget it's even there. I still wear a shoulder rig for heightened risk scenarios, but the .32 is always there.

I'm looking at going for the kahr p45, since it's light, and it doesn't take a lot of .45 mags to balance a shoulder load.

I never had much luck with belt holsters, since I don't dress for them, nor did I feel like buying a whole batch of pants two sizes bigger, to fit an iwb. HATE buying bigger pants.

As always, your mileage may vary.

~~~Mat

[hpg]

I'm like carpettbaggerr, the 32 mag was only developed back in the 90's I think......hpg

[wildburp]

large men are hard to conceal. With a good .45, however, it really does not matter, because large men can't see it.

wb

[BryanP]

Speaking as a Man of Substance *ahem*...

A j-frame (38+P in this case) in a pocket holster goes into the right back pocket nicely. I keep my wallet in my front left pocket. Have for years.

[wildburp]

Just read your original post - sorry, did not mean to be the smart $%^ I am, because I too am a very large man - 5' 9" and 360 plus, so I say, if you can't beat them, just sit on them.

wb

[Clipper]

I'm 6'2", 350#, and I use a horizontal SOB for my PT-145 when I wear a suitable cover garment. I stow it in the pocket of my jacket when it's cold, and in warmer weather, it's in the inner cargo pocket of my safari vest, with a few loaded mags opposite to offset the weight. In warm weather, I carry a P3-AT in a DeSantis 'sting' pocket holster in my right front pocket. I plan to get a zero-cant left hand IWB for the Taurus and use it as a right-hand vertical SOB.

[S&Wfan]

Hi,

At 5' 9" @ about 262, I'm TWICE the man I was in high school, so I understand your problem.

Belts suck, because you've gotta wear 'em a little high and tight . . . or low and tight a few inches shorter. Either way, the weight of most guns will pull your "high" belt down . . . or your low belt will go lower too.

Best carries for me are:

1. A Kel-Tec P32 in my front pocket. Heck, I don't even need a holster for it and the weight is so neglegible that it won't hasten pulling down my pants. It is a "go anywhere" option, though the little .32 round ain't the most effective. The .380 version that's how come out is also a good choice. You'll probably forget its in your front pocket!

HOWEVER . . .

2. OTW holsters are good options with fairly light autos and revolvers. If you are like most of us, you love loose, un-tucked in shirts. When I carry like this, it is with my aluminum framed, lightweight Kimber Ultra CDP officer's size 1911. It is a joy to "pack."

However, since I've added about 25 pounds in the past few years I've noticed the short .45's barrel allows my belt to almost twist the gun outward. So . . . a full size .45 or Commander-sized lightweight .45 would be my choice today, since the longer barrel locks against the leg better to keep the top of the gun pressed against the body.

I've also gone to a 5 o'clock carry vs. my old 3 o'clock carry. This makes a huge difference in concealment AND comfort for a heavy guy!

IWB?

Actually, I've very seriously considering a fine IWB holster for my Kimber. A well-made, comfortable one should work very, very well. A bad one is pure hell.

Good luck with your choices!

T.

[delta_chi_senator]

I'm glad so many have the same problem I have: fat. Well, I'm not glad you actually have the problem, just glad I'm not alone! I'm also glad we got started on the discussion of the 32mag.

Concerning being a big guy, and I thank all you fellow big guys for coming out with help, I think I'm going to have to use a combination of the various bits of advice you gave me here for different situations. The thing is, in my line of work I have to wear either a suit or a sports jacket and khakis. Though, I'm such a big guy that when the weather's warm (or very hot here in Texas!), I take the jacket off (lest I have a freakin' heat stroke). For further consideration, big guys dress themselves in 2 different ways. Back me up here, friends.......I was getting fitted to rent a tux for a buddy's wedding last year when the lovely young girl didn't know how to ask me how I wore my pants. I told her "under the fat" and she understood right away. Yes, we fasten our pants either below that big spare tire or above. I can't do above. The pants come out so big that it feels like I'm wearing a dress. I've been told on these posts more than once not to change my wardrobe to fit my weapon. Fastening them up high would give me plenty of room surely to hide something but, dang it, I can't stand the feel. Next, when I'm not at work I like jeans. It depends on the event I'm going to, but I could be in a pressed shirt or a big t-shirt. In the summer, if its casual enough, I like the big, long cargo shorts that go below the knees with the giant pockets. Plenty of room there!! I wish there was a one and only, single way to carry. I don't see that for me. Its going to take a combination. I've carried occasionally recently in some big khakis that flair way out below the waist. This is only recently. It doesn't look any different to all the people that know me because my pockets are so big and full of stuff already anyway (like a calculator and other electronic devices needed to sell real estate). The 50's era 32mag fit well in there and didn't make me look any different.

Now on to the 32mag..... I'm glad we started that, too! There is so much controversy concerning this round. Here's one post on another site that gives us hope of cheaper rounds:

"Anyway, I'd be just as happy with a .32 H&R Magnum on my belt as a .38 Special. I keep the AirLite stoked with six MagSafes. It's on my hip at this very moment. I've also just received a new Georgia Arms catalog and they offer new .32 H&R Magnum, 100gr JHP ammunition for $22.50/100 rds."

I don't know if my pistol is just old or what, but it sounds like a cannon when I fire it. Quite different from others I have owned. Anyway, y'all's thoughts? Thanks.

[jlh26oo]

No holster advice, but just have to let the guy know who would weigh 280 pounds at ZERO percent body fat- YOU'D BETTER START ENTERING BODYBUILDING and POWERLIFTING COMPETITIONS!!! You would CLEAN UP.


:evil:

[crazyhorse]

The SmartCarry looks promising, but, how is it in 102 degrees? I suffer from "Done-Lap", and need a comfortable all day-every day holster. :D

[Autolycus]

Have you tried a shoulder holster?

[PennsyPlinker]

No holster advice, but just have to let the guy know who would weigh 280 pounds at ZERO percent body fat- YOU'D BETTER START ENTERING BODYBUILDING and POWERLIFTING COMPETITIONS!!! You would CLEAN UP.

That would be me. :D You know, the guy who took those measurements was a nationally rated body builder for years. He kept telling me over and over, "you don't know how lucky you are to have a frame like you do". I don't take any credit for it, but I am too old and feeble now to do powerlifting - although I do throw a lot of firewood around. ;)

[johnster999]

I have a gut. i wear bib denim overalls as casual wear. These are common attire in my rural area.

I wear my G30 in a Smartcarry at about 1:30 "o'clock". Allows for total concealment and fast draw. I can easily conceal most any size handgun this way, including a fullsize 1911 or G22.

I don't recommend it for carrying with most pants. Especially if you have a gut and are low waisted. Draw speed is far too slow and cumbersome. For pants carry I resort to a thoroughly tested and rebarreled PM-9 in a simple pocket holster. Draw is pretty fast and you can grip the gun without revealing it if you feel the need.

999

[carpettbaggerr]

The .32 Magnum is fine for a defensive round. However, it was developed in 1984. You do not have a 50's era .32 Magnum.

The H&R Magnum operates at significantly higher pressures than the .32 S&W. If you shoot the magnums in a 50's era pistol, it may hold up. You can read about Clark's experiments firing very heavy .357 magnums through 1950 vintage Police Positives.

Or, you may rapidly beat your .32 to death. If it doesn't blow up in your hand.....

[delta_chi_senator]

Yes I do have a 50's era 32mag. I bought it from a store called the Shootist in Tyler, TX. It is an NEF. That is to say, it is a New England Firearms pistol. There is plenty of info on the net if you do a search as I understand now. The motorcycle cops of Chicago carried it as a rule from what I understand in the 1930's. I will upload photos. Engraved on the barrell it says Model R73, 32 H&R mag, Made in USA. On the frame it says N.E.F. Co., INC. Gardner, MA. I don't see how you can question this. I did research on this pistol AFTER my purchase. I just liked it so much, I bought first. Plus, the price was right! Let me see if I can upload some photos........

[JBP]

According to the Blue Book of Gun Values the R73 was introduced in 1988. I have the 2 1/2" and 4" models.

[Mortech]

Well Delta I'd like to welcome you to the 'Fred G Sanford' body profile club of THR . Me I'm 5'8" 270 and I carry a M&P40 in a Bladetech IWB kydex holster year round . Since it looks like a revolver in your pocket is going to work for you , how about moving up to something in 38 SPec ? ANy of the S&W or Tauri snubbies will doe and now theres ammo specially made to get teh best preformance of of snubbies that out shine the 32H&R Mag preformance . Me when I have to grab and go I just drop my Taurus 85CH in my pocket and I'm set .

[1911 guy]

Some of you may recall the thread I started about my Dad getting his CCW. Well, he's a bit...portly. So I'm making note of the suggestions to pass on to him. He's got bad knees and anything over a brisk walk makes him ache for a week. Little exercise makes for a large man. Little some can do about it, though. What does the Good Book say, judge not, lest ye be judged (or made fat yourself).

[tegemu]

I too am horizontally challenged. I carry 1911's all the time either in a Gary Brommeland www.brommelandgunleather.com , Max Con V. When it's hot I wear a tee shirt and an open button up shirt as a cover. I also Very often pocket carry a 3" Kimber Ultra Carry II, 1911 in a Sam Andrews www.andrewsleather.com pocket holster. Pocket carry is easier for heavy folks than slim Jims because there is lots of slack around the pockets.

[Scottmkiv]

I think pocket carry is the best way to go.

[ZeSpectre]

I posted back in early December, been carrying a while since then so now I actually have some practical input to give :D

Now my situation is a touch unusual so my tips may not work for everyone. I tore my abdominal muscles about three years back and had emergency surgery to put me back together. As a result my abdominal muscles sag out some and I have a big vertical pucker/scar from below the breastbone down to the naval. So add the weight I gained during recovery (all on the belly dammnit) to the mix and you have a guy who doesn't look especially overweight in general but does pretty much look pregnant. Extreme pot-belly in other words.

So far my favorite discreet carry choice really is a smartcarry holster (http://www.smartcarry.com/). Once I learned how to wear it I found I could carry fairly large guns all day with no trouble or discomfort. I quickly discovered that I have to wear it MUCH lower than I though I was supposed to. When worn too high the back of the gun and the bottom of the handle dig into my lower abdomin while sitting but after some trial and error I've found pretty much the exact location for comfort without creating a huge "bulge" that looks like you're too happy about something
:evil:
The "infinite" adjustability of velcro is a godsend in this matter.

The downside is that it is a DEEP concealment holster. I can dress in business attire and go unnoticed with a Taurus Millennium Pro or a 4" XD-40 in the pouch (plus an extra mag) but it is SLOW to retrieve the gun from the holster and impossible for me while sitting seatbelted in a car (because of the potbelly). Thinner guys wouldn't have this problem I'm sure. I can retrieve from a seated position but not while locked in with a seatbelt.

Reholstering is a challenge for me as well so if you choose this method I recommend you slip the gun into a pocket and head for the men's room to re-holster discreetly.

My second favorite holster so far is a Galco "JAK" slide (http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterG3.asp?ProductID=646&GunID=219) along with a nice sturdy belt I picked up at a gunshow. Worn at about 8 o'clock (I'm a lefty) it pulls my pistols in nice and tight and a decent number of my shirts (left untucked) will conceal without printing much or at all. This is a BIG issue for me because my belly juts so much it pulls all of my shirts pretty tight and if I buy a shirt large enough so that it isn't snug the sleeves and such are HUGE :mad: .

So far I really don't care for IWB type holsters so the JAK is a good compromise.

Other vital tips I've picked up along the way.

Shirts:
1) If you are going to go around untucked, buy shirts with a square tail in the back. They look much neater untucked.
2) Lighter colors tend to print more than darker colors.
3) Patterns, especially light/dark checkered style, print less.
4) Thicker materials, especially those with a woven pattern, tend to print a lot less.

Pants
1) "Two will do". If you are going IWB, two inches larger on the waist.
2) Slightly loose Bluejeans will hide almost anything
3) Dress pants with pleated fronts are MUCH more forgiving and will hide more.
4) Again, darker (greens, greys, blues, blacks) print much less visibly.
5) Long contrasting horizontal stripes on pants make printing MORE obvious.

Okay, that's all I've got.

[rt_dreamer]

Ok, here's my $0.02.

I'm a big guy (5'11", 330lbs, 56L Jacket, 50 waist). I carry a 1911 Officer's size strong side, IWB Tuckable everyday for 10-12 hours. I've carried a Commander size 1911 all day as well in the same rig.

I've tried shoulder holsters (Galco Miami Classic), Kangaroo (modified belly band) and OWB. OWB is not a problem, but being from warmer climates, simply isn't possible all the time. The Kangaroo simply doesn't work for big guys. The band rolls up into a small knot of cloth that gets VERY uncomfortable after about 2 hours. The shoulder holster works ok, but for wide shoulder guys tends to ride up on the neck and is hard to draw.

My daily carry is in a Crossbreed Tuckable. The two points of anchorage on the belt distribute the weight MUCH better than a single point. The holster also has a sweat guard which keeps the pointy parts of the pistol from stabbing into my love handles. With this holster, the pistol simply stays put. I'm sure a comp-tac CTAC or maybe a TuckerLeather (or any other similar style) would work just as well. The point is to have a holster with a full-size sweat sheild and a two point attachment system to distribute the load.

I also use a 1.5" wide GUN BELT versus a belt from a men's store. The thicker leather simply holds the weight better. I can't emphasis this enough as dress belts simply don't have the stamina to handle the load (and brother do we carry a load)

If I'm going to be walking alot, I'll also put on suspenders, usually over the tee-shirt and under the "cover" shirt simply leaving it untucked (which thankfully is all the rage, even for old fat guys like me). For us larger guys, gravity is NOT our friend with regard to keeping our pants pulled up, so the suspenders really do help. For our friend with the bellybutton to chin scar, suspenders may be your answer as well. Get a good pair of leather ones from some of the places that do cowboy shooting and they won't stretch as much as the all elastic ones. Dickies also makes a good pair.

I got the tuckable as it allows me to carry without a coat and only a cover shirt if needed. I carry 90% of the time this way and in over a year have never had anybody even notice the clips on the belt. Of course, I'm prepared to tell them it's the clips for my colosotomy bag if they ask... :evil:

Get darker colors or shirts with patterns on them and should you print a little, it won't show. Also, if you're going to carry IWB (and heavy guys and gals can with the right setup), you'll have to put vanity aside and get a pair of pants that's a size larger than what you wear now. I know I HATED it when I had to buy size 50 pants (and I'm now working on getting the weight off), but it allowed me to carry when otherwise I'd only have my wits to defend me). One other note on pants, for some reason, it's all the rage now for larger men's pants to have "comfort waistbands". These have some sort of elastic in them to make them stretchy. These are useless for CCW as they added weight makes them simply stretch out of wack. Wear jeans or dress pants with a solid piece waistband and you've have much better success.

Lastly, try any holster combination for at LEAST a week before you toss it in. If you are new to carrying a pistol, it will feel like you have a ton of stell hanging on your belt and for IWB, it will feel like you've jammed a walkie-talking into your belt. After about a week, you'll grow used to the feeling and can then judge how comfortable the combination is.

You can carry anything most anywhere you like, but remember, when things get bad, they get bad in a hurry. Strong side at the waist is going to be your fastest location to get a "grip" on things. OWB is fastest followed by IWB followed by IWB-Tucked. I can draw from complete tucked to first shot in under 2 seconds. Everywhere else takes added time.

(BTW, for me, Small of Back carry is never going to happen. I simply don't have the range of motion to get to it there).

Hope this helps.


Rick

[ScottsGT]

rt dreamer,
How does your IWB rig work while sitting down, like driving a car? I too sometimes carry a Colt Officers ACP using a Milt Sparks Summer Special II, and I have had the muzzle start to irritate me after an hour of setting in the car since my "wide load below the belt" kind of flattens out while setting down on it. If I slide the holster around to say the 4 o'clock position, then I have trouble fitting in my narrow car with the console. Car is a '95 Mustang GT convertible, and that console is big!

[ZeSpectre]

ScottsGT,
Amazing what one has to consider when CCW isn't it :D

I can see it now, there one goes to their next new car purchase... Hrmmm, headroom good, lots of cupholders, legroom okay, drives nice, oh damn won't fit my CCW <sigh> okay let's look at something else :neener:

[ScottsGT]

ScottsGT,
Amazing what one has to consider when CCW isn't it

I can see it now, there one goes to their next new car purchase... Hrmmm, headroom good, lots of cupholders, legroom okay, drives nice, oh damn won't fit my CCW <sigh> okay let's look at something else
__________________

You got the point! I really have no business in that car with my back surgery and current problems. It's really hard to get in and out of. But I have noticed less back problems since I have been driving it. I think I'm keeping a better range of movement and using different muscles getting in and out of it than I would driving a mini van or a truck. For a large guy, I sure am attracted to small cars. The Mustang and my hunting, shooting/ farm truck is a Suzuki Samurai hard top. You should see a 325lb. man climb in and out of that thing! I've got a co-worker that is at least 400lbs, and I've been trying to get him to climb in the passenger seat for a photo with me :what:

[Calliope]

Sorry to hijack your thread, but golly I love big men! lol ;)

Calli

[rt_dreamer]

ScottsGT said
rt dreamer,
How does your IWB rig work while sitting down, like driving a car? I too sometimes carry a Colt Officers ACP using a Milt Sparks Summer Special II, and I have had the muzzle start to irritate me after an hour of setting in the car since my "wide load below the belt" kind of flattens out while setting down on it. If I slide the holster around to say the 4 o'clock position, then I have trouble fitting in my narrow car with the console. Car is a '95 Mustang GT convertible, and that console is big!


Well, since down here in Texas we drive big trucks, I don't really have that problem. I drive a 2500 crew cab, so there's plenty of room for me and my pistol. I will say that when I drive my wife's car, the console occasionally gets me in the ribs. WIth my pistol sitting at 3:00 - 3:30, I rarely notice the console although at times, it's a pain putting the seat belt on.

I rarely have the muzzle bother me as the Crossbreed holster goes deep enough to keep the short officer's size pistol from sticking out. You might try a different holster that holds the pistol higher on the belt. I've also carried the Officer 1911 in a Galco USA, but the single attach point makes the dang thing wobble around on my waist.

I've carried the commander in the Crossbreed as well and notice it banging on the arms of skinny chairs, but when you've got gun, spare mag, cell phone (ala the "BAT BELT") thing going, it's a challenge to sit dang near anywhere.

For those that carry a small pistol like the P3AT (I love mine as a BUG), you can still carry it IWB on the strong side. I carry my P3AT as a BUG in a pocket holster, but would hate to have to try to get something out of my pocket when I'm running for cover or squatting down behind the counter after the BG has started doing his thing. As such, my primary is IWB strong side.

Be Safe

Rick

[carpettbaggerr]

Glad to see I was wrong, and you do have a .32 Magnum. :)

Looks like a nice little gun, I'll have to shop around for one. :D

[doc2rn]

Kel tec p32 on a lanyard around neck or 642 in a pocket holster

[delta_chi_senator]

thank you, carpettbaggerr. I knew I had done plenty of research and the pistol was very old. It is so much fun to shoot that 32 mag---it is loud as hell!! Perhaps the way its built, I don't know. My friend was in Nevada on the edge of a town a few years ago when he was approached by SEVERAL unseemly charachters while he was having trouble in his Bronco off the main highway. All he had in his pocket was a 25cal derringer. It was the middle of the night without street lights or anything. He pulled it out and fired a round over their heads and they disbursed quickly. This little gun had such a sound.....they ran off in time for him to get back to his truck. I don't know if its the design or size or what, but it was so loud that they ran off--momentarily. He had a loaded shotgun in its case in the back (as well as a couple of other firearms) but chose to crank up the engine and get the hell outta there. They were catching up to him ON FOOT before the engine decided it had a bit more life in it and kicked into gear and took off. If I was him, I would have jumped in the back, dropped the back window, and started blowing away these turds. At any rate, he got up the road to safety. I sometimes wonder what happened to this group of criminals. What crimes have they committed since then? I have shot that 25 myself, and it has one hell of a BANG. Don't know why. Anyone else know why its so loud? It scared them off shortly, plus, he didn't have to worry about any law suits or other legal trouble since he got out of there without actually shooting somebody. What an incredible risk he took; yet, he came out ok. Cool, huh? Hey....what in the hell makes some pistols so loud and some so quiet, even though they vary so greatly in size and caliber?

[The Lone Haranguer]

... since I'm 5-9 and 150 lbs. :uhoh:;) But front pants pocket carry was the first thing that came to my mind. You can easily put a subcompact autoloader (up to about the size of a mini-Glock) in a pocket holster into one of these pockets, as pants already made for big guys should have large pockets.

[ab4ka]

I'm a big guy myself (that's putting it politely) with a large spare tire (we're talking full size monster mudder) and the Smartcarry was the answer for me. It rides right under my spare and carries just fine. I've had mine for about a year and a half and have never been made that I know of, and it's the most comfortable carry mode for me. The people at Smartcarry are really great. They custom make them for your waist size, so they can make any size you want. I have a 56" waist and the one they sent me is perfect. About 4" of the velcro overlaps in the back to keep it up, and there's another foot or so left just in case by some miracle I can lose some weight (and I really am trying). I tried IWB, and it was fine as long as I was standing, but the minute I sit down, the butt of the gun would stick out to the side, and here in Florida it's not like I can cover it with a jacket. I cannot recommend the Smartcarry highly enough. I carried a Kel-Tec P32 in a pocket holster for a long time (and still do on occasion) but wanted more firepower, so I picked up a Taurus PT145 and it rides nicely in my Smartcarry.

[Alphazulu6]

Yeah Belly Band...if you cant do it still b/c of the clothing, work, etc. Try getting a Kel-Tec P3AT (.380 ACP) and a De Santis back holster in addition to a Don Hume Front pocket holster. If you cant conceal that then its hopeless. Try a walking stick....I hear a 91-year-old man took out a bad guy with one :D Good luck!

[jdm1986]

I'm 6'3" and 300 lbs. I thought only pocket carry would work, but I have found IWB works well, with a clip on the holster, so when I sit down, I can put it in the passenger seat (or end table, desk drawer at work). I didn't think it would work, but I like it better than pocket carry now. Faster draw (for me at least) as well.

Maybe this has already been mentioned; but I don't really want to go read the 75 prior posts.

[Kevin108]

I'm about 5'10" 250 lbs myself. I've found where you carry depends equally on the gun, holster, your style of dress, and having a quality gun belt.

I started out with a Glock 17 (full siuze) at 5:00. I went to a Glock 26 (subcompact) at 4:00. That's my standard carry although from time to time I carry my Glock 17 and 1911 at 3:00 and have been finding that comfortable as well.

I have Comptac CTAC holsters for all my guns. They are all configured differently for each. You can't be afraid to spend money on a holster. The CTACs run about $85 or so. Before I found them, I tried a Galco Fletch too. It's a high-riding OWB holster that hugs the gun very close to your body.

I'm a t-shirt and jeans guy. I wear an Aker belt with polymer insert from Galls.com (http://www.galls.com/style.html?assort=general_catalog&style=LP224) It's the best belt I've ever owned!

On the occasion I open carry, it's my Glock 17 in a Fobus paddle holster with my shirt tucked in.

One of the recent gun rags has an article bike Mike Venturino (another big man) about the different styles of carry he's tried. I'm not sure which mag it was or if it's still on news stands but if you're interested in reading it PM me and I'll get the article to you.

Good luck with your search!

[HerrWolfe]

Small of the back. They're just jerking your chain, besides you don't listen to anyone, do you.

[delta_chi_senator]

Thanks. For now, since its summer, I can carry in the cargo shorts. Unfortunately, with my job a suit on and my size, I guess I'll have to carry in back wasteband. Oh, well.

[elkhuntingfool]

I'm 6'4 and 285. I carry a Taurus PT145 IWB - shirt untucked. No problems at all. This week I carried it while golfing - just for the hell of it.

Nobody knew it was there. Just wear the right clothing and you'll be fine. Like what's been said 'a good stiff belt and the right holster'

[MikePGS]

This may have already been mentioned but the most recent issue of American Handgunner actually has an entire article on carrying for bigger guys.

[W Turner]

I am 6'8" and 350(and losing). I pocket carry a SW 642 about 90% of the time. The rest of the time, it's a 1911 IWB for me.

I've pretty much come to realize that until I am back in the 270 or so range, IWB and pocket carry are pretty much my only options. Only exception to this is when I am using my Maxpedition Fatboy for off body carry, but that is pretty rare and means a special set of circumstances.

W

[GotGlock]

Im pretty chuncky, at 5'10 250, and IWB works for me. Don't let anyone tell you you need to pucket carry, etc. You can pull off IWB.

[Tom Fury]

Have carried Commander or 4516 in it for 2 yrs and am very pleased: Its' not fast though; I can also tolerate planner (Bible Cover? Outdoor Research makes an interesting sort of Secretary, also a company called Jandd makes a useful journal cover; padded to disguise shape) or off body carry, also not fast, I personally don't like fanny packs, but if it means the difference between having a gun when I need one or not...I have a blue nylon one and a leather one.
Does your body shape preclude carry in a behind the hip OWB? If not, then lets think about least intrusive gun.
Cheers, Tom Fury

[Hawaiian]

I am not a really big guy, but I do have a belly. Still, I really like pocket carry. Not the best in Levi's, but it works great with Dockers as they have large pockets. Cargo pants and shorts are also great as you have more pockets to put your stuff in and keep your carry pocket for the gun only.

Kahr PM9 and Taurus 9mm 905.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/Hawaiianone/Guns/Pocket-Holster-1.jpg

[XLMiguel]

Lots of good suggestions here. FWIW, the current issue of American Handgunner has a good article on CCW for big guys . .