Not Happy, CMP out of Service Grade


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edman79
December 1, 2006, 04:26 AM
I just bought my first gun, a nickel S&W model 19-2. My next gun was going to be a garand. So I joined a Garand club, and I'm waiting for my CCW for me to be able to meet the requirements to be able to get my Garand from CMP. For Christmas of course. And then today just for the hell of it I go to the CMP website and I see that they are out of service grade Garands.
:fire: :fire: Oh man am I heated. The next best that they have is a field grade. I guess it'll do, but you know how it is when you have your mind set on someothing. I just hope that by the time I receive my CCW it won't be too late. I don't know what the point of this post is, just venting I guess. :banghead: Well, I can ask you guys if you've ever had a disappointment along these lines.

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edman79
December 1, 2006, 04:27 AM
Oops, sorry meant to put this in the general section. Can it be moved please?

timothy75
December 1, 2006, 04:40 AM
Whats the difference the condition? They sell new stock I believe.

Dr. Dickie
December 1, 2006, 09:01 AM
Hang tough edman.
The word on the street is they have another 50K to go through, so there will likely be more service grades on the way. Just be prepared with everything you need (Fed-Ex on stand-by). In fact, you might want to buy some ammo right now, so you are on their books. And keep checking the web sight every day.

MechAg94
December 1, 2006, 10:30 AM
So drive up to Anniston, pick out a nice looking rack grade with a good wood and receiver, buy a new barrel, and then you will have a "Service Grade" in good condition. :)

I was able to get to the South Store month or two back. There are some field grades there with decent barrels. You just have to get the tools and look through them.

TexasRifleman
December 1, 2006, 10:58 AM
The word on the street is they have another 50K to go through, so there will likely be more service grades on the way. Just be prepared with everything you need (Fed-Ex on stand-by).

That's what I am doing. I missed out on the last batch by a week, won't let that happen again.

It's all sitting here on my desk ready to go for 2 of them once they sort through this new batch.

edman79
December 1, 2006, 11:44 AM
HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY!!! I just got my CCW in the mail today. Coincidence or what? :neener: Dr. Dickie that sounds like a great idea. I'll get on that ammo purchase as soon as possible. By the way, which of their ammo would you reccomend?

EDDIE ED

Dr. Dickie
December 1, 2006, 11:58 AM
You're getting a Garand, so get at LEAST 960 rounds of LC M2 Ball. At $231 delivered, you almost can't re-load for that price.
If you need a lot of enblock clips, get some of the Greek stuff that comes on them (I got all my enblocks from some Korean ammo at a gun show).
The LC stuff is great, and should get through serveral re-loads down the road.

MechAg94
December 1, 2006, 03:36 PM
The Greek comes either way. I am about to buy some ammo to get half for my Dad for Christmas. I will likely get the Greek on clips though. It comes in a sealed spam can.

Koobuh
December 1, 2006, 06:03 PM
"So drive up to Anniston, pick out a nice looking rack grade with a good wood and receiver, buy a new barrel, and then you will have a "Service Grade" in good condition."

Some people don't want to buy a rifle they immediately have to dump $300+ into to make servicable. And most of the US is far, far away from any of the CMP stores.

ocabj
December 1, 2006, 06:11 PM
Some people don't want to buy a rifle they immediately have to dump $300+ into to make servicable. And most of the US is far, far away from any of the CMP stores.

I think the real problem is that people don't want to spend the time and effort to make a rifle serviceable. Rack and field grades for the most part need little to no 'servicing' to get shooting and shooting well.

I see quite a few people who bring their CMP Garands to the range that didn't even bother to detail strip the rifle to clean it. They just want to get the gun and take it shooting. I understand the desire to shoot a rifle once you get it, but 50+ year old guns no matter what 'grade' they are defined, need to be 'serviced' in varying degrees.

I've gotten past the point of arguing the merits of the rack and field grade rifles. If people are scared to get a rack or field, so be it. I have no problems ordering them. Leaves more for me.

I think CMP Garands of all grades would have dried up a long time ago if people weren't too lazy learn how to do even the most basic and rudimentary work on their own guns.

We were all noobs at one point. But you get the manuals, do research, and learn. If an uneducated terrorist can go on the Internet to learn how to make a bomb and blow himself in some cafe, I think the average educated person can learn how to fix a Garand.

HorseSoldier
December 1, 2006, 06:18 PM
"So drive up to Anniston, pick out a nice looking rack grade with a good wood and receiver, buy a new barrel, and then you will have a "Service Grade" in good condition."

Some people don't want to buy a rifle they immediately have to dump $300+ into to make servicable. And most of the US is far, far away from any of the CMP stores.


Or drive up to Anniston and get a Field Grade. My Field Grade from CMP South was in much better condition than the description on the website would make you think, and if you're looking for a shooter a field grade is the way to go in my opinion -- if you can select your rifle. The only catch being that there are also some rougher Field Grades as well, so mail order where you can't pick your specific rifle might be more hit and miss.

Highland Ranger
December 1, 2006, 08:05 PM
think CMP Garands of all grades would have dried up a long time ago if people weren't too lazy learn how to do even the most basic and rudimentary work on their own guns.

Assuming its laziness is an assumption and not a particularly High Road thing to say.

Some of us just don't have the time, work, family obligations etc.

And what little free time we do have, we like to spend where the rubber meets the road - actually shooting.

Some folks are just not mechanically inclined and may not have the means to spend several hundred dollars on what may wind up becoming an experiment.

Do what you enjoy, let other people do what they enjoy . . . .

alamo
December 1, 2006, 08:38 PM
Here's the latest on SGs - from the CMP forum posted 11/21 by the Operating Officer of the CMP in response to the question about future service grades:



best guess is that the 'earliest' will be in late 07 or early 08 - unless we get some major shipments from the Army.

Wes Janson
December 3, 2006, 05:26 PM
Why would you need a concealed carry permit to order a CMP Garand, Ed? At risk of making you upset, I have to say that I'm pretty sure you don't need a permit to order, unless it's some sort of weird Miami municipal or county law or something. If you joined an affiliated club, all you'd need was some documentation that you know how to handle firearms. There's a form you can print off of the CMP website. Dunno, but your CCP course itself might have counted as well (the course certificate, not the permit). I'm pretty sure you could've ordered one back when they were still in stock :(

alamo
December 3, 2006, 06:53 PM
Why would you need a concealed carry permit to order a CMP Garand, Ed? At risk of making you upset, I have to say that I'm pretty sure you don't need a permit to order

I think he probably wanted to get one any way and also to meet the marksmanship requirement:

- Current or past military service.
- Current or past law enforcement service
- Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
- Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor).
- Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
- Concealed Carry License.
- Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training.
FFL or C&R license.
- Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity.

SoCalShooter
December 3, 2006, 07:08 PM
Welcome, and congrats on the first gun. But you are definetly in line behind me and a couple million others to get a service grade m1 from the CMP. Sorry.

Also you dont need a CCW, but you do need to shoot a CMP match and place in the match, that gets you a form with your score on it and instructions on what to do with the form and who to send it to.

alamo
December 3, 2006, 07:31 PM
....but you do need to shoot a CMP match and place in the match, that gets you a form with your score on it and instructions on what to do with the form and who to send it to.



That is one way of sastifying the requirement but you don't have to do that. See the posting above yours.

Here's the Eligibility Requirements link:

http://www.odcmp.com/Services/Rifles/eligibility_requirements.htm

edman79
December 4, 2006, 04:36 AM
I wanted a CCW anyway, but it is listed as one of the requirements instead of having to show proof of markmanship. And I might just get a field grade anyway and work on it bit by bit.

Off topic, but if you want to see my model 19, I just put a post up on the revolver section. Finally got a digital camera.

Andras
December 4, 2006, 11:03 AM
I used the Certification method by a LEO, as a good friend of mine is a US Park Police Officer.

My early '45 feild grade arrived about 30 days after I ordered, and is in decent shape. Original barrel, correct bolt, un-cut operating rod. Haven't had it out yet, it's currently being inspected and cleaned.

MechAg94
December 4, 2006, 11:22 AM
Pretty much any firearms training that includes live firing will satisfy the requirement.

I had vacation (no family) and my Dad is retired. We took a road trip over to the CMP South Store. We got to stop in Tennessee at the Shiloh Military Park as well. It was a good trip.

I picked up a Greek Field Grade with a very good barrel. I haven't finished really testing it for accuracy, but the first time out I think it might be more accurate than the two service grades I already have. It had what looked like a new barrel. The main issue was the front sight wing was bent over a little. I think that is why it was tagged a field grade. I had a spare gas cylinder at home and the change out was quick. It had very little cosmoline or anything in it to clean out. I had originally intended just to pick up a basic rack grade almost for parts only, but I think I came out very well.

offthepaper
December 4, 2006, 01:26 PM
OCABJ is right.
I also wanted a SG back in Oct., but the website said they were no longer accepting orders. So, I ordered Greek FG. It arrived in less than a month. When I opened the box, I must admit to being rather disappointed at a first glance. The wood was in BAD shape, the metal finish was'nt great but serviceable. I started by detail stripping it down for a good cleaning and lub. When I encountered a problem, it was no-problem, as I posted my situation on this forum and quickly recieved back good quality info on how to resolve the issue (one of the best things about this site). The stock, which my first thought was to throw away, was in rough shape also , but I was advised to run it through the dishwasher (!) a couple of times (again, by memebers of this forum) the effect was amazing. Some light steel wool sanding and a couple coats of BLO and the ugly duckling was coming to life. Just adjusted my sight (front) and am waiting to take it to the range and zero it in. On it's previous trip to the range, everything was grouping well but everything was directly to the left of the bullseye. advised again by memebers here to adjust the front sight (which was off center) and I expect a very good shooter.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Don't be afraid of the FG's.
price of rifle - $425
price of ammo - $231
the process itself - priceless

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