Best value in AR type rifles?


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go_bang
December 1, 2006, 04:56 PM
I am curious as to what the best value is in the AR-15 style rifles that are out there. Is there any company out there making a good rifle at a relatively low price compared to the rest of the makers?

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Gary G23
December 1, 2006, 05:27 PM
http://www.stagarms.com/

Lobotomy Boy
December 1, 2006, 05:44 PM
Check out DPMS (http://www.dpmsinc.com/). Their prices among the best, the quality of their guns is top-notch, and their service can't be beat.

JesseL
December 1, 2006, 06:21 PM
Olympic Arms 16" Plinker Plus (http://olyarms.com/?rootView=browse&view=dtl&ids=PP). MSRP $595.00

I doubt you will find a lower price on a new, forged receiver, factory built, warrantied, AR.

Rob1035
December 1, 2006, 07:09 PM
the build it yourself route is one of the best, you can save money, the build is relatively simple, and you learn your gun very well.

possum
December 1, 2006, 07:39 PM
i own a bushmaster, and had one before that, and i love thm, but if i was in the market for an ar i would agree with lobotomy boy, i would go dpms as well they are great rifles. i would have probally went dpms when i bought my last ar but the gun shop didn't carry them.

CZ-100
December 1, 2006, 07:39 PM
Olympic Arms 16" Plinker Plus. MSRP $595.00

I doubt you will find a lower price on a new, forged receiver, factory built, warrantied, AR.

I have an Oly Plinker, and have put over 2,000 rds thru it with no problems, I paid $499 for it a couple of years ago.

lycanthrope
December 1, 2006, 08:43 PM
the build it yourself route is one of the best, you can save money, the build is relatively simple, and you learn your gun very well.


+1. No doubt.

jsdavenport
December 1, 2006, 08:50 PM
I'll have to agree with some of the other gentlemen about building yourself. If you buy a lower for around 100 or so ( I perfer double star lowers, but that is just my opinion). You can get a kit from model1sales for 470. You'd be out for under 600 and about one hour work. An AR is an easy to build weapon, especially if you are just putting together a lower and bolting on an upper. Have fun!

Oh yeah, and either wear safety glasses or turn your head when putting some of the detents in the lower. A man could loose an eye in a hurry if one hit you right. :what:

Frog48
December 1, 2006, 09:59 PM
The best price I've found locally is $850 for a Bushmaster, at Academy Sports.

If anyone knows of any places in Fort Worth or San Antonio areas that have NIB AR's for significantly less than that, and regularly have them in stock, let me know. I'd be VERY interested.

Ala Dan
December 1, 2006, 10:02 PM
I got a post ban COLT M4A3 type AR-15, slightly used with NO box or doc's
for $700 + 9% sales tax.:D

go_bang
December 1, 2006, 10:14 PM
Thanks for all the info so far, everyone. Regarding the build-it-yourself route, are there any gotchas to be aware of? Are the parts all pretty much compatible regardless of the make, or are there incompatibilities to be aware of?

wdlsguy
December 1, 2006, 10:34 PM
Consensus over at ar15.com seems to favor Del-Ton (http://www.del-ton.com) or J&T Distributing (http://jtdistributing.com). I am a happy Del-Ton customer.

soul_rapier
December 1, 2006, 11:45 PM
If you buy a colt lower i have seen the pin sizes are different watch out for that ..gun broker has all the parts for the lower look up parts kit .

soul_rapier
December 1, 2006, 11:45 PM
Sorry clicked one to many times

lycanthrope
December 2, 2006, 12:45 AM
If you buy a kit the pivot pin detent installation tool, electrical tape and some roll pin punches are all you need. Actually, you really don't need the tool , but it's worth the money unless yo uhave a friend or three hands....

The tool is part number 080-216-011 at Brownells.

Use the tape to protect the finish of the lower when you install the pins.

wdlsguy
December 2, 2006, 12:51 AM
Or just use a single-edged razor blade to hold in the pivot pin detent while installing the pivot pin.

When you buy a kit, the upper half is usually completely assembled, so all you have to assemble is the lower. Complete instructions for assembling a lower can be found here (http://www.ar15.com/content/guides/assembly/lower).

jsdavenport
December 2, 2006, 02:05 AM
I never thought of the single edged razor, thats not a bad idea. I always used a guitar pick and it works like a champ. :)

To the poster: Building an AR yourself is very easy. There really isn't any gotchas to speak of. Any lower you buy (aside from a big hole colt lower) will be compatable. One of the best deals I've found is a double star lower from titleII for 99 dollars shipped. I'm about to get three myself :neener:

Mot45acp
December 3, 2006, 05:20 PM
I get RRA lowers plain or pistol use only for $110 out the door price. The cool part is if I order 3 or more there are usually 2 consecutivley numbered. I need to order 5 so maybe I can have pistol, carbine, and rifle all consecutivley numbered that would be cool

mrmeval
December 3, 2006, 05:38 PM
Build mine on Rock River lower with a model 1 kit for the rest of the parts. A friend did the assembly. To buy it with what it has it would have been about 1100 but I paid 800.

cheaptrick
December 3, 2006, 05:49 PM
I would like to AMEN the "build it yourself" posts.
No better way to learn the AR than building it yourself.

If you are remotely inclined, it would be well worth your time.

rangerruck
December 3, 2006, 07:04 PM
for pure ar type, I would say olympic is about 100 bucks cheaper than everyone else. if it can be ar like, i would say kel tec, which is about 100 bucks less than that.

go_bang
December 3, 2006, 08:59 PM
Thanks again for all the responses. I'll refer back to this thread when the time comes.

One question on the Olympic Plinker Plus, is this rifle designed to be used pretty much as it comes or are there ways to trick it out? From the pictures it looks like the carry handle is integral to the top receiver. If I wanted a different set of sight mount I guess I would have to replace that entire piece.

lycanthrope
December 4, 2006, 01:25 AM
You can easily mount a carry handle or optics to a flat top receiver, but mounting optics to a carry handle puts them up pretty high. Go flat top.

AK-74me
December 4, 2006, 01:36 AM
Kiser Munitions over at the EE on ar15.com has got some good deals on stag, I just odered a complete upper tonight for $485 with ARMS#40A2 BUIS on it, M4 profile, with chromed lined chamber and barrel.

He also has complete lowers for $235, or stripped Stag lower for around $100.

BTW these are shipped prices too, not bad for what you get IMHO.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=335496

David904
December 4, 2006, 02:24 AM
I've been told that for a straight outta the box stock rifle, Stag Arms is the way to go.

That being said, I went the RRA route. I can't wait for it to arrive!

Woo hoo!:D :cool:

AK-74me
December 4, 2006, 03:05 AM
I've been told that for a straight outta the box stock rifle, Stag Arms is the way to go.

That being said, I went the RRA route. I can't wait for it to arrive!

I have a RRA entry tactical too. After about 60 rds. the key bolt broke in two, half of it stayed in the bolt carrier and the other half was floating around in my gun.

The good thing is that RRA customer servce was good to deal with and they took care of it right away. I still have confidence it RRA but I wanted a Stag this time, mainly becasue they have the M4 profile barrels.

go_bang
December 12, 2006, 04:12 PM
I was at a local gun show last weekend. An Eagle Arms dealer was there with a very nice selection of their AR's there on display. I think it was Eagle Arms. Anyway, one of the things he was saying was that Eagle will warrant their guns if you use steel cased ammo and that there are rifle makers that will not. Is there any truth to this at all or is this guy just blowing smoke?

lycanthrope
December 12, 2006, 06:36 PM
Nope. Olympic will not warranty the use of Wolf ammo. At least that was when Wolf used the old laquered stuff (they no longer do).

wdlsguy
December 12, 2006, 07:31 PM
Looks like Del-Ton has added Light Weight and Mid Length rifle kits (http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Rifle_Kits_16_s/57.htm). :evil:

JoeLad
December 12, 2006, 07:47 PM
Check out Ameetec Arms (http://www.ameetecarms.com/store/).
They have a complete M4 upper for $430, and a complete lower with M4 stock for $200.
$630 + shipping for an M4 clone is a pretty good price.

gudoldboy
December 12, 2006, 08:00 PM
Have to put my 3 cents worth in here. I was at a recent gunshow and found a somewhat new player. Superior Arms. Picked up a M-4gery for $750. Trigger is like nothing I have felt out of the box. I mean it is perfect! No creap no overtravel... I havent measured the weight yet. Im guessing around 4 1/2-5lbs. They also sell just their lower. I am very very happy with them! Lifetime warranty, no questions asked. All built in Iowa hey its my home state. I suggest anyone to check them out! http://superiorarms.com/
Aaron

rellascout
December 12, 2006, 08:13 PM
Right now you can get a Stag M4 SA2 for $805 Plus $10 shipping. This is a complete rifle not a kit.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/761100177

Dallas Jack
December 12, 2006, 10:19 PM
I have 2 AR's. One bought complete and one built. The complete rifle is a flatop bull barrel varmit type for $874.00. The build is a flatop CAR for $595.00 (470.00 for the kit and 125.00 for the stripped lower) . Both are DoubleStar. I had never built one before and I had no problems assembling the lower. If I had built the bull barrel varmit rifle it would have cost $670.00.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o17/DallasJack/DSCF0173.jpg

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o17/DallasJack/DSCF0184.jpg

Dalla Jack

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