Looking for a .22...


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Gord
December 2, 2006, 08:18 PM
Hopefully, everyone reads the post before chiming in with "10/22s are awesome!" :uhoh:

I'm looking for a bolt-action .22LR to get my brother for Christmas; it's to be a hairloom, so I'm looking for something nice, walnut stock and all that.

The CZ 452s are gorgeous, and is likely what I'll be going with, but I'm wondering: is there anything out there of similar quality and workmanship, but tube-fed?

The magazines for my Savage 64F wear out pretty quickly (the springs are crap and don't hold tension for more than a few months). Are the CZ mags more durable?

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Hoppy590
December 2, 2006, 08:21 PM
go to a gun shop and ask for a nice, GOOD CONDITION used 22 bolt. you will find much better rifles than any 10/22 or CZ

we have a winchester single shot that the familys had so long. we dont know where we got it

taliv
December 2, 2006, 08:22 PM
http://www.championshooters.com/Anschutz-r.htm

anschutz

El Tejon
December 2, 2006, 08:25 PM
Have to be tube feed?

If you want an hierloom, I'd look at the Browning T-Bolt.:)

Highland Ranger
December 2, 2006, 08:30 PM
I thought there was some plastic parts on the T-Bolt?

Somehow plastic and heirloom . . . . . I don't know. Probably silly of me and I've never held one so go check it out.

I do have a CZ - the wood is beautiful and the thing is a tack driver. Comes with a five round mag (metal) which fits flush.

You can buy a 10 round on their site, mine is plastic but I think you can get either. But having the mag stick below the gun ruins the looks a bit.

For a few hundred bucks, it sure is a nice gun. More than a few bricks through it already without a hiccup.

MountainBear
December 2, 2006, 08:35 PM
I had absolutely no problems with the durability of my CZ magazines. And the fit and finish of the gun make it such that I will have no problem passing this on to my children.

Smith357
December 2, 2006, 08:44 PM
Vintage Winchester 52s or 75s are among my favorite investment .22s. There are many new rifles from supurb makers like the Anchutz 1416, Kimber 82, Cooper Arms 57 to name a few quality .22s.

Froggy
December 2, 2006, 08:49 PM
If you are (or he is) going to put a scope on it anyway, you might take a look at the CZ 453. Essentially the same as the CZ 452 American, but with a set trigger.

http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=67

BozemanMT
December 2, 2006, 09:19 PM
CZ452/453
No question
Heirleim quality for affordable price

The magazines are real metal. Thick solid metal
They'll be around, they aren't cheap made in china pot metal junk.

Go CZ, you won't be sorry.

TexasRifleman
December 2, 2006, 10:13 PM
If you are looking for heirloom quality, something to be passed down and remembered, why are you limiting yourself to bolt action?

My first .22 was this Browning auto. The first .22 I gave my son was another one just like mine.

We have a great time together shooting our .22s.

These are classic rifles that never go out of style.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/021001m.jpg

Gord
December 3, 2006, 03:07 AM
For the record, I mean "heirloom" in the sense that I'd like him to be able to pass down to his kids something made of blued steel and walnut, not "heirloom" in the sense that I want to spend $2000 on something with a stock carved out of mammoth ivory with 24k gold inlays over 90% of the gun. Just looking for something a bit more refined than the 64F I currently let him use.

I should have specified that in my OP, but a few of these suggestions are a bit... pricey. Like to keep it at or below $400.

If CZ made a tube-fed 452, I'd have my solution right there. As is, I'll probably just end up getting a 452 anyway - just prefer tube for increased capacity and ease of maintenance (no springs wearing out or mags getting coated with crud).

Highland Ranger
December 3, 2006, 06:14 AM
I have the take down Browning as well in Stainless. Also a beautiful piece of equipment but twice the price of a CZ,

MaterDei
December 3, 2006, 07:32 AM
The 452 is a great little weapon. The new T-Bolt is also intriguing but I believe it is a bit outside your budget.

BBA
December 3, 2006, 07:58 AM
Why not look for an older .22, american made. Like a Rem or Win before they were imported or made with plastic?

hockeybum
December 3, 2006, 08:05 AM
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=022B&cat_id=021&type_id=001

browning .22 for $546

aka108
December 3, 2006, 09:15 AM
You might want to search out a old Remington 512. Tube mag and bolt action. I got one in 1948 when I was 12. Still own it and it looks like new in spite of having many thousands of rounds go thru it. It is the most accurate 22 I own. One in great condition is 150 to 200 bucks today if you can locate one. About 30 buck new in '48 but that was a lot of money then.

DaleCooper51
December 3, 2006, 09:41 AM
You could also take a look at any of the 81 series rifles from marlin (81, 781, 881.) They are walnut stocked, tube fed, bolt action rifles that can be had very reasonably, last a long time, and shoot exceptionally well for the price. Here's an older marlin 81 that I picked up at a gunshow for $45 sans rear sight. I was able to get a used williams peep for $15 and have a nice shooting 60yo rifle that will outlive me. It just took some time and elbow grease to clean up.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l261/bloodphart/Marlin81.jpg

hksw
December 3, 2006, 11:44 AM
Off the bat, I'd say, as with others, CZ 452/453. Excellent balance between built quality, performance, and price.

Concerning the magazine issue, The CZs will come with either metal or plastic mags. I've never had an issue with the .22 lr mags of either material. (The .17 HMR mags, however, needed a litle tweeking to get hollowpoints to feed reliably. Simple bending of the legs of the follower to provide more angle for the round at the top of the stack. Not too much though, or the bolt will override the rim of the cartridge.)

I have had issues with Anschütz .22 lr mags right out of the wrapper. Very low spring force. The rounds tended to hang up in the body of the mag and/or I would work the bolt fast enough to not pick up the next round or get a misfeed jam. Simple solution was to disassemble the mag and stretch the mag spring to (at least) 1½ times its original unsprung length. I would suggest trying this out with the Savage mags.

A less expensive alternatives but also less build quality (and in my experience from the samples I have, slightly less performance) are the Marlin and Savage offerings. The Savages do have slightly better quality wood upgrades in some models.

I haven't had any problems with the Marlin .22 lr and .17 HMR mags or Savage .17 HMR mags.

As someone else mentioned, if you're willing to pay a little more ($600-$900), a 64 action Anschütz would also be a good choice. (Even a little more ($1000-$1300) and you can get a 54 action with very nice (Meister grade) furniture.)

rangerruck
December 3, 2006, 12:41 PM
there is two ways to go here if you want tube fed, start calling gun shops in your area, and out of state. ask them what they have, and to describe it. Marlin made some mod 60's in the past, that used some fantastic wood, usually earmarked for NRA, or ducks unlimited, or some other special purpose. also you can get a model 60 or 981 new, the 981 is bolt bed, heck any of the 81 series, going all the way back to 1937, is bolt fed. buy one of those, then get a hold of some of the aftermarket stock guys, like boyds, or others, and ask them if they make aftermarket stocks for the mod 60 or mod 81 or mod 981, someone out there does. those are really the only two models, that are tube fed, that have been around long enough and popular enough, that there would be aftermarket stock makers out there for them.

rangerruck
December 3, 2006, 12:45 PM
now if you watn expensive, you could go find an old mint belgian browning , stock fed 22, those are beauties. Just remembered that the remington speedmaster, which has been made unchanged for 50 years, also has a bdl model , which though expensive, is truly beautiful.
http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/rimfire/mainbty_552.jpg
The Model 552 BDL Speedmaster is the only American-made 22 autoloader that handles 22 short, 22 long, and 22 long-rifle cartridges interchangeably. Like its pump-action counterpart, it features adjustable big-game sights, positive cross-bolt safety and grooved receiver for scope mounts.

Model 552™ BDL™ Deluxe Speedmaster®
A true beauty with high-gloss walnut stock, Monte Carlo comb, and cut checkering. This American-made .22 autoloader will shoot shorts, longs, and long rifle cartridges interchangeably from its easy-loading tubular magazine. Perfect for plinking and small-game hunting. It includes adjustable big-game sights, positive cross-bolt safety, high-luster bluing, and receiver grooved for scope mounts.
http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/rimfire/smsil_552.jpg

I have one of these , used and beat up, and i'll never sell it, the fact that it fires all the 22 rounds, is fantastic, and it does them all consistently, with no ftf's or fte's.

BrainOnSigs
December 3, 2006, 01:43 PM
Hard to go wrong with the CZ 452/453 offering.

My CZ 452 Varmint:

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL875/3165911/8282895/132645515.jpg

ArfinGreebly
December 3, 2006, 04:01 PM
Yes, I read the post and the caveat about the 10/22.

Ruger does, however do a bolt .22:
This is snatched from
http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/nov97gggsquirrel.html
Ruger Model 77/22-R:
Short Barrel, Big Results
Ruger’s successful 77/22 series contains several models chambered for the .22 Long Rifle round. The Ruger Model 77/22R, which we tested, had a smooth, tapered barrel without iron sights. The 77/22-RS has iron sights, and there are other configurations and barrel weights available. The 77/22-R catalog number 7002 has an MSRP of $473, but our gun retailed for $399.

The most important facet of a gun’s performance is where it puts the rounds. The 77/22-R shot all our test ammunition under 1.5 inches at 50 yards. The best average group size came from CCI Mini-Mag at 1.07 inches. The overall average ended up at 1.22 inch, slightly better than the Remington 541-T.

With a lead in accuracy, we looked to see if the Ruger’s 20-inch barrel lost anything in velocity. If there was a large disparity, it could mean the difference between a rabbit toppled or a rabbit lost. However, the Ruger shot two of the five ammos we tested faster than the 541-T, and the other three brands showed about 1-percent velocity variations.

Features and finish, then, would decide which gun won the test. All metal on our test gun was blued, and the top of the receiver carried a matte finish, which reduced glare off the metal, a helpul feature on a field gun. Our test gun had a 20-inch tapered barrel with an outside diameter of 0.540 inch at the muzzle and 0.920 inch at the chamber. The trigger pull was creepy at 4.25 to 4.5 pounds and had too much overtravel. Adjustment screws on this trigger are not standard, so the shooter would need to enlist the help of a gunsmith to reduce the trigger-pull weight to around 3 pounds and install an overtravel stop screw.

The stock on our test gun was American walnut with a satin, nonglare finish that resembled hand-rubbed oil. It featured machine-cut checkering. A 0.5-inch-thick black-rubber-pad added to the buttstock gave the gun a 13.5-inch length of pull, about right for most shooters wearing hunting clothing. The barrel was not free-floated, and there was a 0.5-inch pressure point at the end of the barrel channel. We found no bedding between the receiver and the stock, which we would add to (hopefully) improve the gun’s accuracy in variable temperatures and humidity. Quick-detachable swivel studs were included, a big edge the gun held over the Remington. Another savings: The Ruger came with standard 1-inch rings that attached to the receiver’s integral mounting system.

They don't mention it, but the 77/22 uses the same magazine as the 10/22.

I've held one of these. When I think I can "justify" spending $450 on a .22 (and a like amount for a second safe) I'll pick one up for myself.

Gord
December 3, 2006, 04:13 PM
Thanks, everyone, for the suggestions! I've reviewed them all and I think I'm going to have to go with the CZ, still. Looks like it's as close to what I want as anything. The Ruger 77/22 is nice, but seems to be going for a bit more than the CZs. Now to decide whether iron sights are worth it - I don't like relying on a scope, but sights mess up the lines on those CZs...

Someday, though, when money's not so tight - a Browning .22 will be mine. I just can't justify spending that much on a plinker right now.

Thanks again, all.

kerank
December 3, 2006, 07:01 PM
Looking for an heirloom bolt-action .22?

1. Anschutz
2. Cooper
3. Kimber

Anschutz 1712 (http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/pm/main.php?kid=49&l=e&project=sporters)

hksw
December 4, 2006, 12:58 PM
They don't mention it, but the 77/22 uses the same magazine as the 10/22.

Not entirely true.

The 77/22 uses the JX-1 mag and the 10/22 the BX-1. The only difference being the bottom of the mag. The JX is flat, the BX it curved (middle of the mag is lower than the edges). Although they will interchange between the guns, the JX-1 mag will be harder to remove from the 10/22 if it doesn't fall out and you need to grasp it.

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