Unknown Ithaca .22 single shot


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Poodleshooter
May 23, 2003, 12:39 PM
A friend has mentioned his recent acquisition of an Ithaca manufactured .22 single shot, that seems to be of some sort of falling block action, or similar to an old Sharps centerfire or a Ruger #1. It seems to be a child sized rifle. Any idea on what this could be?

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Jagermeister
May 23, 2003, 01:25 PM
Can't seem to locate what you are describing. Are you sure it is an Ithaca? and not a Stevens, similar to the one shown?

JM

dfariswheel
May 23, 2003, 01:27 PM
Your friend has an Ithaca Model 49 series single shot rifle. These look like a lever action rifle, but use a British Martini-type pivoting action.

The basic design was produced by several different companies over the years, including Agwam Arms and Savage-Stevens. There is some parts interchangeability between brands.

These use cast Zinc receivers, and later guns use more plastic parts.

However, they are an excellent child's first rifle. The design uses a rebounding hammer design that's very safe. The hammer must be manually cocked to fire, and locks in place after rebounding.

Some of these are surprisingly accurate shooters.

Jagermeister
May 23, 2003, 01:29 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOps!
I have found that the M49 Ithaca, Lever Action is also made in single shot. Does it look like the one shown?

JM

Jagermeister
May 23, 2003, 01:39 PM
Hre's the blow up and parts list. If you need the disassem, w/photos I have that also.

JM

Jim K
May 24, 2003, 12:08 AM
The single shot was first, then they produced it in a lever action repeater. IMHO, neither was worth a counterfeit nickel.

Jim

Crimper-D
May 25, 2003, 10:40 PM
I've only seen one being shot = a single shot that was surprisingly accurate at 25 and 50yds. No thing of great beauty, matter of fact, looked plain shoddy, but the targets it was producing were impressively small groups, even using bulk pack Remington HV's.;)

BADSBSNF81
May 29, 2003, 02:34 PM
http://www.ithacagun.com/news/history/model49.shtml Everything you wanted to know about the Model 49 from Ithaca.

rjj15
January 25, 2005, 10:24 AM
My dad has this single shot lever action .22 and its engraved with Ted Williams signature on the barrel.

It doesn't eject the shell after firing, I think the ejector piece is worn down, (not catching the rim of .22 shell) how do I get a replacement part, also, is it easy to replace?

ojibweindian
January 25, 2005, 10:41 AM
My dad gave my son an Ithaca Model 49 this past Christmas. Dad picked it up in the early 60s. It was the first gun I ever shot. Used to take out bottle caps to 30-40 yards with it.

My son has it now and absolutely loves it.

dfariswheel
January 25, 2005, 03:02 PM
rjj15
You can get parts from Gun Parts Corporation.
http://www.e-gunparts.com/

Little Loudmouth
January 25, 2005, 08:25 PM
I see I've been beaten to the punch!

I have one of these rifles, (points down to siggy) and they are darn fun little guns.

rustymaggot
November 30, 2005, 07:59 PM
i cannot figure out how to disassemble the pivot pin on mine. i have it completely disassenbled exept for the block is still in cause the pivot pin wont come out. i cannot get my new firing pin into it withour removing the block. anyone know how that comes apart?

hogsl4y3r
November 19, 2008, 10:10 PM
I have a ithaca m49 single shot I just got the parts to fix it and now I need more parts but I dont know what there called so if anyone has info on the take down please let me know

moewadle
November 19, 2008, 11:58 PM
there is a book out with a title something like "Disassembly and Assembly of .22 rimfire Rifles." Instructions for the Ithaca 49 are included. This gun can be damaged if not disassembled correctly. I believe the pivot pin drives out from the left to the right of the gun but I do not know for sure.

These are wonderful little guns but the failure to eject is common one with all these models and the firing pin often broke. Dry-firing them can peen the entrance to the chamber and cause problems with ejection so check that out also.

I believe the Model 49 single-shot came out in late 1961 and was sold by Ithaca until about 1978. Savage Arms made a very similar gun that came out in about 1976 and was made for about 7 years and was called the Model 89. The person above mentioned having a Ted Williams signature model which, of course, was one made for Sears by Ithaca but without the phony magazine tube.

The earliest models of the Ithaca actually were made with walnut wood but this changed to grey ash (or is it elm) according to a gunsmith who told me he worked for Ithaca for 28 years.

The repeater was the Model 49R and was apparently a terrible product and dropped not long after it started being sold. Then Ithaca contracted to make a lever repeater called the Model 72 which was a good gun as far as I know. I think Erma Werke in Germany made that one.

The Model 49 also became available in 22 Magnum. You can tell the magnums without reading the barrel roll because they have a white spacer between the butt plate and butt stock.

kgburns
February 7, 2009, 07:37 AM
New member here, found this site on google. I still have a Model 49, the first firearm I ever owned, but I can't figure out how to remove the barrel. Is it pressed in or does it have locking lugs? I shot so many shorts in mine when I first got it (they were much cheaper) that I've fouled the seating and I'd like to get it reamed out. Thanks for any help you can give

DGT
July 12, 2009, 06:45 PM
Hi, I am new here. Do you still have the disassembly
with photos of the Ithaca model 49 .22? If so could you email
The info to me?

David@sierracovert.com

Greatly appreciated either way.
Dave

junior geezer
July 12, 2009, 10:56 PM
i had a M49 just when they came out. also had a .310 cadet and loved (still do) the martini action. the only time i ever fired the M49 was for a comparison test, .22lr v .22l. fired into michigan ice, a friend insisting the two rounds were identical power-wise. the test changed his mind. afterwards he took the M49 off my hands.

kludge
July 18, 2009, 05:07 PM
Hi, I am new here. Do you still have the disassembly
with photos of the Ithaca model 49 .22?

Ditto this.

moewadle
July 18, 2009, 05:55 PM
is RIMFIRE RIFLES ASSEMLY/DISASSEMBLY by J. B. Wood copyright 2006 Gun Digest Books. I bet if you look on Amazon.com it will be found. It that does not work than Google this word ADDallbooks.com and you will get a giant book search engine and if any used book is for sale out there this engine will have it. This book has instructions and photos. It points out that the pins are removed from left to right and installed from right to left....like a standard dovetail sight. Anyway...there is your source. Good luck...I never had the nerve to try it myself and have an Ithaca 49 at a gunsmith right now.

Marlinman48414
July 19, 2009, 12:22 PM
I have a decent PDF of the parts breakdown but sure could use an owners manual that shows proper disassembly for cleaning and minor gunsmithing work that is needed. I already checked the thread and also the most common sites for parts, etc. Ithaca website doesn't offer a manual without contacting them for it from what i can see. Picture yes, manual, NO.

If anyone has something to share, I would appreaciate a note back.

moewadle
July 19, 2009, 03:30 PM
right above yours.....is that what you need. Or go to Numrich (Gun Parts) and they should have a diagram of all parts. That is where I got mine. So, you now have the instruction on how to take it apart if you buy the book and a parts breakdown in order to see what it is you need by name. Have a great success.

Marlinman48414
July 19, 2009, 08:05 PM
Probably yes, but I was hoping to get the info today. I am putting this back together this evening but fear I am missing where the bolt plunger pin fits in! It's late and time for a cold one. I used to have an old Numrich book laying around but can't find that either. Thanks!

moewadle
July 19, 2009, 11:28 PM
I am willing to check my book and try to answer one or two questions from the directions. I do not want to do a lot of PMing. My email is moewadle@yahoo.com. Send me an email and I will try to help you tonight. I live in the Central time zone and it is now 10:30 PM but I am enough of a night owl I do not care. I will go downstairs and bring my book up to the computer. Email me at moewadle@yahoo.com. If it was during the day I would give you my phone number so you could phone me. I await your email.

SteelyNirvana
July 20, 2009, 12:33 AM
I have the Sears version of this rifle. If your looking for disassembly instructions you should see this thread, post # 13 by Rustymaggot.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=189332

Marlinman48414
July 22, 2009, 08:25 PM
Thanks for the invitation to help out Moewadle! It was late so I just tossed in the towel for the night. It's not often I get such loyal support from fellow gun owners.

I did check the thread that briancraigh81 sent and was able to get a decent PDF breakdown of the gun. It helped out great. Kudos brian for the link to the thread.

BTW, I got an email from Ithaca saying that they no longer carry info on that gun but was referred to a master gunsmith who I assume used to work for Ithaca. I pasted this info below in case anyone else needs this info.

Les Hovencamp (master gunsmith from Ithaca NY) @ 1-607-273-4510 would be the only one who may have the manuals for the Model 49.

Thank you all for your help. I think I made a great choice when I decided to join THR.

Jim Anderson

Marlinman48414
July 22, 2009, 08:27 PM
Thanks for the invitation to help out Moewadle! It was late so I just tossed in the towel for the night. It's not often I get such loyal support from fellow gun owners.

I did check the thread that briancraigh81 sent and was able to get a decent PDF breakdown of the gun. It helped out great. Kudos brian for the link to the thread.

BTW, I got an email from Ithaca saying that they no longer carry info on that gun but was referred to a master gunsmith who I assume used to work for Ithaca. I pasted this info below in case anyone else needs this info.

Les Hovencamp (master gunsmith from Ithaca NY) @ 1-607-273-4510 would be the only one who may have the manuals for the Model 49.

Thank you all for your help. I think I made a great choice when I decided to join THR.

Jim Anderson

alsaqr
July 22, 2009, 08:43 PM
The gun came out in the early or mid 60s. Not sure who it was first made by but the first models had a steel receiver.

Marlinman48414
July 22, 2009, 08:58 PM
The one I was working on had the zinc receiver. It actually made it easier to drill and tap the holes needed to install the side mounted scope mount I fabricated from an aluminum Tasco that was made for a Rem 870.

I have an uncle who only has one and a half arms and he put me to the task of mounted a scope on this little 22 magnum. It actually came out looking pretty good. The hardest part was finding the right sized side mount to adapt to it. No one I found even offers a scope mount for it now a days. If they do, I don't want to hear about it after all the work I put in on this one.

moewadle
July 22, 2009, 10:24 PM
I am curious about your statement that the first gun had a steel receiver....I will not dispute that but will say that the Ithaca 49 came out in late 1961 and always had the alloy receiver frame and was made until about 1978. I do not have my source beside me. Then Savage came out with the Model 89 in about 1975 that looked a lot like the 49 and had a zinc alloy receiver. It was made until 1985 approximately. I have owned the Savage 89 and a the Sears model of that same gun, still own both, and have owned a Western Auto Revelation of that gun Savage model. They all look identical except for the barrel roll. The Ithaca one had a Sears model that can be identified by the fact that there is no phony magazine tube. Later in its life the Ithaca 49 was modified. Most of them had been made with the front sight integrated on the barrel band. However, an improvement in my opinion, was when the front sight was dovetailed into the barrel and the phony magazine was attached to the barrel via a dovetail on the bottom of the barrel. The reason this was an improvement is that now the front sight could be adjusted for more accuracy or even removed and something better put in the dovetail. I have communicated with that same gunsmith who worked for Ithaca. He told me he worked for them for 28 years and remembers loads of grey elm coming in for use in making the stocks of the Ithaca 49 after they switched from walnut to the latter wood.

Oh getting back to my earlier statement about steel receivers made by Asqr (?). The only thing I can think of that you are speaking of is the fact that a model like this was made by an Agawam (?) Arms for a short time. I think that company was in a city of the same name in Mass. Maybe those had steel receivers. I have never heard of or seen an Ithaca or Savage with a steel receiver.

alsaqr
July 25, 2009, 02:21 PM
Oh getting back to my earlier statement about steel receivers made by Asqr (?). The only thing I can think of that you are speaking of is the fact that a model like this was made by an Agawam (?) Arms for a short time. I think that company was in a city of the same name in Mass. Maybe those had steel receivers. I have never heard of or seen an Ithaca or Savage with a steel receiver.


Sorry it took so long to respond. It is not an Ithaca, Savage or Agawan.

Bought that gun in a pawn shop in San Pedro, CA in 1964. The shop owner had never seen another gun like that one. It cost nearly $40 with tax. Gave the gun to a nephew many years ago. The receiver is steel and it even had what I thought was a fake case hardening job.


So I called my nephew in WV. He says it is not an Ithaca although it looks about like one. Nephew says the gun was made in Germany. He says that the case hardening job is real.

dsnoots
July 31, 2009, 01:20 AM
I have a12 ga. ithaca that is the big brother to the m49 cant make out #'s doe's anyone know any thing about it ,it's a single shotand the lever operates the brake at the barrel ,it folds down to load, i got them as a set in 1976 at a sports store that was in a flood,the owner gave them to me for helping out . Any info is appreciated. Thanks,and yes im new here.

Marlinman48414
July 31, 2009, 08:25 AM
You most likely have the Model 66. It came in 12 , 20, and .410 gauge. Ithaca Gun company manufactured this between 1957 through 1978. Depending the the quality and shape your shotgun is in, it is worth between $50.00 and $150.00 dollars depending the what shape it is in.

For a limited time, Ithaca also offered vented ribbed barrels on a special order only. If you have a VR, your value just increased about 25 percent. Hope that answers your question.

If I ever saw one of these for sale, I would be tempted to pick it up just to have a not so common shotgun from Ithaca, not to mention a great conversation piece. Also a good safe single shot for teaching kids or beginners.

SDC
July 31, 2009, 09:34 AM
The M66 was also called the "SuperSingle".

Urth
May 14, 2010, 04:14 AM
Ithaca .22 M-49

Pardon me, would someone kindly point me to the pdf download for the Ithaca M-49 breakdown.

Thank you…

Marlinman48414
May 14, 2010, 09:55 PM
PM me with your email address and I will forward a 6 page pdf. First page is from Numrich gun parts catalog and the other is a 5 page owners manual with instructions for take down, etc.

Buck731
August 23, 2010, 04:53 AM
I have just got my hands on an Sears "Ted Williams" edition Ithaca... which is in serious need of repair. It fires round at random and ejects casings just the same. The barrel seems to be misaligned. I have been ordering parts to do a restore on the rifle, but cant seem to find break down and assembly instructions. Can someone please help? I'de really appreciate it.

Taurus 617 CCW
August 23, 2010, 09:31 AM
The M-49 has swaged pins that are made to be removed in one direction only. Make sure you punch them out in the proper direction!

Marlinman48414
August 23, 2010, 10:33 PM
Taurus 617 CCW is absolutely correct. Wish I would have known that a few years ago when I took the plunge before reading the manual I didin't have.

Take note:

All pins are knurled on one end, and should be removed and re-assembled FROM THE KNURLED SIDE OF THE HOLE. (Identified by close inspection - three equidistant "marks" on the outside diameter of the head of the pin.) All the current production back then had knurled ends of the pin on the RIGHT hand side of the receiver. Drive OUT from LEFT to RIGHT. Drive IN from RIGHT to LEFT.

Early production guns may have had some pins with knurled ends on the right hand side of the receiver and some on the left side. DOUBLE CHECK visually before driving the pins out.

If you make a mistake, Numrich still has parts available for this great little shooter.

Good Luck and shoot straight!

Buck731
August 24, 2010, 01:27 PM
I am rather confused at this point. I just received an email back from Ithaca Gun Company's Customer Service. It stated that Ithaca never produced the Sears "Ted Williams". Do they have any idea as to the amount of research one does to correctly restore a firearm? Along with the fact that research and referencing leads to the company that made the firearm?

Buck731
August 24, 2010, 01:30 PM
Thank y'all for your guidance with this rifle. and Ill take note of the site with the parts! I really appreciate it.

Marlinman48414
August 26, 2010, 09:44 PM
Send me a picture if you can of this 22lr. I heard that Winchester made some 22's for Sears but.............send me a pic and we can go from there. Maybe we can clear this up, eh?

rogermiller
September 2, 2011, 04:09 PM
Hre's the blow up and parts list. If you need the disassem, w/photos I have that also.

JM
would it be possible to email pics or info to texas131@yahoo.com==got my first one at the age of 13.it was prob. one of the first ones made but sold it for 15.00 like a idiot back then .Just puchased another today 35 yrs later ,i guess to get my childhood back,lol..and would like to know as much as possible about it.like is it still poss..to puchase any parts like another magnum barrel or not..i know its a long shot at best,

rcmodel
September 2, 2011, 04:44 PM
I just received an email back from Ithaca Gun Company's Customer Service. It stated that Ithaca never produced the Sears "Ted Williams".They are wrong!

The Sears Ted William's Model #340.530.430 is in fact an Ithaca Model 49 SS made for Sears.

http://buy.gunauction.com/10231058/sears-roebuck-and-co-ted-williams-ithaca-model-49-22-single-shot-rifle

rc

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