Norinco sanctions
USGuns
May 23, 2003, 12:46 PM
I guess no more inexpensive 1911's from these guys for awhile, eh?
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030523-123039-1385r.htm
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Baba Louie
May 23, 2003, 12:49 PM
Whew. How dare they do business with a (currently) known enemy of ours!
Haven't been any Model of 1911-a1's brought in here for years.
Canada maybe. Here, no.
Darn, I wanted one of those missle things too. :o
Adios
Kharn
May 23, 2003, 02:14 PM
The only firearms Norinco could import within the last few years were "sporting shotguns". Slick Willy banned any other type of firearm from being imported from China after a container full of AKs, RPKs and RPGs was found at a port on the West Coast (which was sealed and labeled as to be trucked to Mexico, but its believed it was intended for LA gangs and that Clinton himself was involved in it).
Kharn
Robby from Long Island
May 23, 2003, 04:39 PM
The dirtbags at Norinco are nothing more than arms exporters for the Chinese government.
Seven years ago they were caught shipping fully automatic AK-47's in containers discharged at the Port of Oakland, Calif. Of course they were manifested as semi-auto and not full auto. Both Norinco and Poly Technologies were involved and it was known at the time they were destined for sale to the local gang-bangers in the L.A. area.
Both these companies had been known to have smuggled other weapons into the U.S. in the past.
The total seizure at the time was 2,000 fully automatic AK-47's.
PvtPyle
May 23, 2003, 04:49 PM
Personally I think it is a great thing. I say we expand the ban onto other companies. Sure I like cheap things (especially guns) as much as the next guy. But the fact that there is such a trade deficit with China and several other countries (that talk trash about us and still expect us to buy their crap) really is pathetic. We need to even the score a bit so to speak. If that means we pay a bit more and buy domesticly, then thats the way it is.
Pilgrim
May 23, 2003, 07:34 PM
It will be interesting to see who Wal-Mart buys from after this.
Justin
May 23, 2003, 07:55 PM
PvtPyle-
I'd do some more general reading on economic theory before endorsing such ideas.
Combat-wombat
May 23, 2003, 08:00 PM
I'm all for most gun manufacturers. But Norinco, I hate those communist $***bags. I hate any crap from China, for that matter.
Oleg Volk
May 23, 2003, 08:18 PM
Some people wouldn't do business with Chinese companies. Some people would (I am about to drink a cup of Chinese oolong tea). Should US Government make it impossible for those who would like to buy from a company in another country to do so? Is restraint of trade suddenly a good idea?
Walter Williams thinks it is not a good idea (http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/03/wealth.html). This, from another article:
How about the morality of tariffs or other restraints on foreign trade? Some of the obfuscation is lifted when we recognize that, for the most part, countries do not trade with one another. That is, the U.S. Congress doesn't trade with England's or France's parliaments or Japan's Diet. It's individual Americans who trade with Japanese automakers, French wine producers and English clothing manufacturers. What's the moral case for congressional use of threats or use of force to prevent two people who wish to engage in peaceable, voluntary exchange on mutually agreeable terms? If it's immoral for Congress to stop me or interfere with me, a Pennsylvanian, from trading with my fellow man in New Jersey, why isn't it also immoral for Congress to stop or interfere with my trading with my fellow man in London, Paris or Tokyo?
Standing Wolf
May 23, 2003, 08:47 PM
I'm all for most gun manufacturers. But Norinco, I hate those communist $***bags. I hate any crap from China, for that matter.
Whenever possible, I avoid doing business with communists, and even if I didn't have principles, I've never seen anything from China that was worth buying.
Oleg Volk
May 23, 2003, 08:54 PM
For the sake of consistency, would you avoid buying Enfields which a fairly evil British government is surplussing? How about buying Chinese RPD LMG clones...would you, if you could? In short, do you wish to make your own decision about buying or not buying a particular item from a particular source...or should some authority do it for you?
Jim March
May 23, 2003, 08:58 PM
Welllll...there's a big difference from a genuine private business which happens to be IN China, like say, Paul Chen's sword/knife foundry, and Norinco.
Norinco IS 100% owned and run by the Chinese Army. Literally.
I know a lot of people who would buy a Paul Chen Katana, but not a Norinco clone of a Winchester '97 pump shotgun.
(Sidenote: Norinco has actually gotten into CAS/SASS shotguns, both double-barrel and pump. Weird.)
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