JLD PTR-91 Question: Swap a fixed stock for the H&K Paratrooper folding stock?


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Anthony
December 4, 2006, 12:05 PM
Hello Everyone,

On the JLD PTR-91 clone of the Heckler & Koch G-3/HK-91 clone how difficult is it to swap the fixed stock on the standard model for the original H&K style Paratrooper style folding stock as shown below?

Can anyone give or refer me to some directions?

Thank you for the help.

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jford1
December 4, 2006, 12:42 PM
1. Push out the two pins at the bottom and pull the fixed stock off like your going to clean it.
2. Slide the sliding stock on and push the pins back in.

It should take 10-20 seconds.

Anthony
December 4, 2006, 12:49 PM
How are the pins removed?

Is a special tool required?

Can the pins withstand being removed and replaced periodically or should I stock up on extra pins?

I'm thinking about buying the standard PTR-91 and one of the folding stocks to swap out for those rare moments when I need the compactness.

Should I be sure and get one of the new one made in the United States to ensure I have enough parts to comply with the ATF's required number of American parts or would a surplus mode made in Germany be fine?

rbernie
December 4, 2006, 12:55 PM
The pins have a spring loaded anti-walk dooohickey on one end; you push the doohickies in to free the pins and then push the pins out. It takes all of twenty seconds, tops. The pins are infinitely reusable, so long as you don't physically bugger them up in some bizzare way. I use a wee little screwdriver to push in the spring doohickeys and a brass punch (hand held) to push the pins out.

Can't speak to the 922(r) issues; I would have presumed that ALL models would have sufficient compliance parts to meet 922(r) restrictions.

CanonNinja
December 4, 2006, 12:58 PM
keep in mind, that slider stock is not the most comfortable thing on the planet, especially wearing just a t-shirt..

Anthony
December 4, 2006, 01:02 PM
Excellent point on comfort, but this is why I only want it on the gun periodically. I am also not very keen on .308 rifles with 16-inch barrels such as the variant this style of folding stock usually comes on...so we save on muzzle blast as well.

jford1
December 4, 2006, 01:04 PM
The pins push out with you finger (right to left for right handers). No tools needed.
The pins are not something that I would think you could wear out in a lifetime.
Get extra pins if you’re clumsy or will be taking it apart in the field. The fixed stock has two holes in the side (near the butt) to place the pins while the gun is disassembled.
The new JLDs have more US parts than the old ones but the number varies for each rife. The parts will be clearly marked "JLD".
The rifle will recoil far harder with the collapsible stock.
They make a 16" PTR but the 18" is short enough for a .308 in my opinion.

Anthony
December 4, 2006, 01:07 PM
I agree with you jford on the barrel length.

We can carry rifles fully loaded in our cars here in Texas so on a long road trip it would be more comforting than a handgun alone.

MatthewVanitas
December 4, 2006, 01:16 PM
I actually really like the collapsing stocks. On me, personally, they don't feel bad at all, and cheek weld is only slightly worse. Fired one in full-auto with the collapsing stock as well, and it still wasn't that bad.

If 16" is too short, and 20" is just right, are you thinking to chop down to 18" at some point?


Just a thought, but since the JLDs used a "heavy target barrel" last I checked, maybe you could get improved handling by having the same smith turn the barrel down to a slimmer profile and chop it. Two tasks in the same gunsmith trip, etc.

Great guns, the G3 series. For whatever reason, nowhere near as popular on THR as those FALs, but I still like them. JLD charges a lot less than DSA too, which helps.

-MV

Anthony
December 4, 2006, 01:23 PM
With the standard rifle already sporting an 18-inch barrel I don't have to ask a gunsmith do anything special for me so far as the barrel length goes.

http://www.ptr91.com/products.html/

Thanks so much for the input on the folding stock.

I have heard this version of the H&K folding stock is much more tolerable than many of the models out there.

Father Knows Best
December 4, 2006, 03:32 PM
The fixed stock has two holes in the side (near the butt) to place the pins while the gun is disassembled.

Um, that's true of original G3 and CETME stocks, but not the PTR's. The PTR-91 comes with a US-made plastic buttstock that is cheaply made. It lacks the two holes for the pins. Because the holes (and sleeves) are missing, the buttplate is also just glued on, instead of held in place with spring clips, as is the case with G3 stocks.

Don't get me wrong -- the PTR-91 is a great rifle. It's just that the US-made stock sets are cheap and cheesy. The forearms are just as bad; they're cheap molded plastic without the metal heat shields that you find on real G3 furniture.

I love my PTR-91, but I love it a lot more now that it wears real G3 furniture. If you swap yours, make sure to stay 922(r) compliant.

Also, I absolutely loathe the telescoping G3 stocks. They are wobbly and make it impossible to get a good cheek weld. If I want a compact rifle, I'll grab my AK or an AR. The PTR-91/G3 is a battle rifle, and needs a sturdy stock.

jford1
December 4, 2006, 05:20 PM
Yes—most PTR-91s come with us made butt stocks, however, mine came with a FMP butt stock and two US trigger components. The first thing I did when I got it was to replace the forearm with a wide German one and of course a third US trigger part. I haven’t even shot it with that crappy plastic thing for fear it would melt. The rest of the rifle is top-notch. The cost of the correct furniture and additional US parts was a given for me when I bought it.

Father Knows Best
December 4, 2006, 05:33 PM
You and me both (I put a wide forearm with bipod on mine). I also had Bill Springfield do a trigger job on it. Instead of a creepy 12+ pound trigger, mine now breaks crisply at just under 5 pounds.

Drakejake
December 4, 2006, 07:08 PM
I like the HK collapsing stock. Mine is solid, locks up well, open and closed, and fits my stainless Cetme as well as the stamped. True, you are shooting with pieces of metal next to your cheek and a painful little pad on your shoulder. I put extra padding on the butt to reduce the felt recoil. I like being able to shrink the rifle down for storage or carrying. And it's damn kewl!
I have an extra wooden butt stock I can pop on if I want a more comfortable shoot. Wood stock sets are only about $30 and often very beautiful.

Drakejake

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