No guns at work?
TechBrute
May 23, 2003, 09:47 PM
Well, today concluded my first week at my new job in Dallas. I work in a somewhat industrial area in S. Dallas, which is not known for its high property values.:scrutiny:
Anyway, today we had an employee's car stolen from the parking lot. I was chatting with the cop about moving back from PRK, and when I turned to walk back in the building, I noticed (for the first time) a small lettering across the bottom of the door that says FIREARMS PROHIBITED. Now I know it's not the 30.06 sign, but it's clear in its intent for employees, since it's an employee only door. Legality aside, I was wondering what your thoughts are on this. It's a really good job, and the building is locked down with keycards, codepads, etc., which would pretty much stop all but the most determined attack. I don't have a CCW yet, so it's purely an academic discussion at this point.
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Hardtarget
May 23, 2003, 10:17 PM
There are three carrying concealed at my work place. The boss is glad I have it...there have been two killings within 1000 feet of our building. You never know when or where its going to happen.
Mark.
griz
May 23, 2003, 10:25 PM
My place of employment has security at the gates and it is a felony to bring a gun to work (government installation). Even the guards have to be unarmed except on duty. So they have to drive from the gate to turn in their gun at the end of each shift, then they can leave.
This makes no sense to me and many others but my employer is not overly concerned that we disagree with their policy.
:( :rolleyes:
P95Carry
May 23, 2003, 10:26 PM
Not really relevant but .. work for self so .... my carry is pretty much 24/7.
In your case? Hmmm .. the notice is a tad intimidating but ... If I was an employer I do not think I would be bothered by carrying within my business premises .... albeit concealed. If a guy can be trusted to carry then i don't think it should matter where.
''Situations'' occur in the least expected ways ....... all too often.
Bowlcut
May 23, 2003, 10:33 PM
Mark where abouts in Nashvegas do you work?
I know of more than one person carrying at my work. But their postion takes them into the projects and jails so alot of the time they carry for their own protection. Work think says no firearms but not any place but the employee handbook, which I should read again I think.
I will be carrying here soon and do plan to carry at work. Maybe not all the times in my "home" building. But when I go to our other locations or when Im in the car I will. I travel usualy 1000 miles a month for the job, and go to some pretty backwoods places getting to our locations....so at times I do want to have my firearm near me
Stickjockey
May 23, 2003, 10:38 PM
Work for an airline...carrying at work is a federal felony... :fire: :barf:
Walther P99
May 23, 2003, 11:29 PM
All the places I've worked has prohibited weapons of any kind. When I worked in a convenience store many years ago, I'd carry since I was so close to the then-murder capital of the nation (Gary, IN). I just didn't tell anyone I was carrying.
Now I work in an office that's fairly secure, but it's not in the best area. The first week of the month I have to work late and I'm considering carrying then...
Quintin Likely
May 23, 2003, 11:32 PM
My employee handbook says weapons of any type are a big no-no, which technically speaking would outlaw the pocket knifes so many of us carry to open packages, strip wires, etc...
Several people in the shop secure weapons in their toolboxes or desks. I don't, seeing as how possessing a concealed weapon without the proper documentation is a worse offense than keeping a weapon against company policy. But whenever my CCW is issued, I will; seeing as how we live in a dangerous and unpredictable world, I like being prepared for whatever may arise.
Mike Irwin
May 24, 2003, 12:12 AM
As far as I can tell, my company has no written policy on the subject.
Standing Wolf
May 24, 2003, 12:12 AM
Oh, gosh! I guess I must not have read section XXXVIII, part 14, paragraph 3, clause d of the handbook for employees closely enough! Sorry about that!
Darrin
May 24, 2003, 12:37 AM
Policy prohibits all weapons. However... :evil:
When I'm driving MY car from BFE office #1 to BFE office #2 on HWY BFE, you betcha I'm ready for a hike on HWY BFE when my car breaks down.
Oh, I have to upgrade the phone system? Hmm, can't shutdown the dialtone in the middle of the day. That means I'm in a building out in BFE alone at night. WWYD (What would you do?)
During normal hours inside any of our office buildings, I do comply with the rules. Well, except my pocket knife. ;)
Stevie-Ray
May 24, 2003, 12:48 AM
My job prohibits firearms on company property, including the parking lot. This is going to get them sued sooner or later, since there have been several killings on company property. My wife has specific instructions if anything happens to me this way.
CatsDieNow
May 24, 2003, 12:50 AM
The large fighter jet manufacturer that I work for doesn't allow them even in vehicles in the parking lot. I have heard they have searched with dogs a couple of times and fired offenders.
After work, school and sleep...not many times left to carry.
rick458
May 24, 2003, 01:01 AM
Working in a petrochemical complex, firearms are not allowed inside, but there is serious hardware in the parking lot
DingoDog
May 24, 2003, 01:31 AM
Owner of my company said he keeps a .32 in his car at all times. I didn't say anything about the .45 in my shoulder holster. (It's a .38 in the summer.) I also didn't comment about the unattended gun in an unprotected (commonly stolen) luxery car, but I tried not to groan.
10-Ring
May 24, 2003, 01:34 AM
The place I work doesn't have a formal policy re: CCW, but knowing how the owners think, they probably wouldn't like it...:banghead:
dodge
May 24, 2003, 03:09 AM
My employeer states in the employee handbook no firearms on company property. Not only this but the plant that I work in is in New York State and I live in Pa. so carring to work is a very big NO, NO although I've been known to have a long gun behind the set of my truck from time to time. In this case they don't ask and I don't tell.
tlhelmer
May 24, 2003, 07:07 AM
I could get suspended if I didnt carry;)
TN MadDog
May 24, 2003, 08:21 AM
I work for the Federal Gov and having a firearm on the property is
prohibited and a felony. Pre 9/11/01 things were different and I
MIGHT have taken a chance. Now with warnings of possible
vehicle searches (we had on site security for about a year) It is not worth the risk of losing my job and being a felon. I just have to be more cautious going to and from work.
Ala Dan
May 24, 2003, 09:12 AM
My job requires me too carry at work!:) :D
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
TonyB
May 24, 2003, 09:18 AM
I work at a state run mental hospital,so I can't carry at work.I do however carry to and from.I could leave my gun in our safety office,but I usually lock it in a box in the trunk.
I think it's rediculous that if you have a CCW you can't carry anywhere in hte US.If some one is going to "go ballistic" they're probably NOT leagally carrying anyway.So basically all they're doing is prohibiting their employees from protecting themselves and other employees.Sounds dumb and unethical.
:mad:
Mauserlady
May 24, 2003, 09:23 AM
Everyone at work knows I'm a shooter and given the opportunity I would carry.
The only time it has been discussed was when I brought in my NAA .22 as part of a joke. Boss could clearly see that it was unloaded so it wasn't an issue of safety but a little while after that he came into my office and said:
"I know you only brought that as a joke and it was funny (told them picking that up was the reason for the back to back trips to AZ) but I don't ever want any guns at the shop." AARRRGGGHHHH....
Not more than a couple of weeks later some of us (boss included) were having a discussion about after hours safety and he says: "I don't worry as much about you Carol, you're probably armed" And it was said very matter of factly.
After discussing this latest revelation with the Office Manager and the owners wife (who happens to be an ex-shooter) we have come to the conclusion that he's definitely an outta site, outta mind kind of person.
M38
May 24, 2003, 09:50 AM
I live in VA but work in D.C. on the oposite side of the Treasury Bldg. from the White House. My employer says no guns, D.C. says no guns and I don't want to get hauled away by the Secret Service.
jacketch
May 24, 2003, 10:07 AM
My company says no weapons at any time and since I am in charge of security at my plant, well, I get to enforce it. We have about 500 employees per day and one condition of employment is that they submit to a search including their cars.
To make up for that I get to deal with BATFE frequently.
lee n. field
May 24, 2003, 10:42 AM
The employee manual says no weapons. This is a very small company (<10), and it looks like lawyer generated boilerplate.
The employees have a great deal of freedom -- on salary, and we're in and out all the time pretty much at out own discretion. Boss don't care, as long as we bill out enough to keep profitable.
So, if this was not the P. R. o. Illinois (no CCW, except for Chicago aldermen and cronys, or something like that), there'd be something effective usually close at hand. More than that I will not say.
El Tejon
May 24, 2003, 10:42 AM
Never understood the "no guns at work". Wouldn't your employer want to encourage your security so that you will work longer?:confused: Must be an East Coast Eloi/only we know best thang.
My staff carries if they so choose. The boss has been known to sneak off to the range in the middle of the day.:p
JeepDriver
May 24, 2003, 01:13 PM
CCW isn't an option for me as I live in Maryland and I'm not rich.
And the company hand book says no weapons allowed on company property. My manager knows I'm into guns and that I have them with my quite often. There is an indoor range almost right across the street from my dealership.
And I drive a Jeep Wrangler with a soft top. I'm not leaving any firearm in there.
But, I do have a tool box gun. It lives in my tool box which I am rarely more then 10 feet away from. There are only 2 people in my dealership that go into my tool box and both of them are shooters, and I trust them both. They don't know for sure there is a gun in the box but they wouldn't be surprised or alarmed is they found it either.
CleverNickname
May 24, 2003, 01:41 PM
I work for a large (Fortune 100) company. I've looked, and I can't find a no-weapons policy in the employee handbook. I haven't asked anyone about it, because they'd probably work to fix the "problem" if I mentioned it. Several office buildings the company has here in town have generic non-30.06 compliant "no weapons" signs, but the office building I work out of doesn't. No idea why. But as I carry in all of them, it doesn't matter much. ;)
DMK
May 24, 2003, 02:13 PM
I work at an educational institution. It's a felony to even have one empty, locked in the trunk of my car in the parking lot.
It's ironic too because a lot of the folks I work with are sportsmen or gunowners. Most are conservative. However, we are forced to live by laws written by those from a completely different environment down east. I am convinced that if we weren't ruled by state law, our local governments would have gun laws a lot more lax than they are now. However, I do concede that also those in NC metro areas would have it a lot worse.
:cuss:
El Tejon
May 24, 2003, 02:19 PM
DMK, no guns at work via North Kackalacky law? Police departments are unarmed? Gun shoppes?
.45Ruger
May 24, 2003, 03:34 PM
Handbook says no firearms bur my job reqiures me to have a knife on hand at all times and a box currer, and hey a p32 is nearly invisible.
spacemanspiff
May 24, 2003, 04:50 PM
dang it i voted for the wrong option. i shoulda put it in number 3, but my reading and riting skills arent what they should be. thank home school for that.
the handbook we have states 'no weapons, guns, knives, etc' but it was supposed to be revised (not that section but the whole dang book). for some reason i cant find the document in the network drives to "help" revise it.
but i have a couple knives around my workstation, everyone knows i have a knife at all times, and only my supervisor knows i carry. he doesnt care, since he knows i am responsible and wont ever bring it out without good reason.
i did make a mistake one day and had my shirt come up and my gun flashed briefly, i think one or two coworkers saw it, but noone has said anything and i havent been called in to the boss about it. a week or so later the two that might have seen it were discussing home invasion scenarios and one said "anyone stupid enough to come into my home will be staring down the business end of my shotgun". least she isnt one of the sheeple.
HBK
May 24, 2003, 05:04 PM
I work in a school. I am prohibited from carrying anything remotely considered a weapon. A janitor got put on administrative leave just for having an empty mag visible in his car. Explains why those school shootings are so easily pulled off. Schools are gun free victim zones.
Bowlcut
May 24, 2003, 05:08 PM
Well I do believe the "employee handbook stance" is a basic line every corp puts into their book. Basicly a cover your butt clause.
Saying that....I know half my office is for carrying half probaly be against. Well not totaly against but they are total rule sticklers. So if you so happen to flash or print they would likely call HR on you. But keeping it in your car would probaly not cause you trouble at my office. Mainly cause they are out of sight out of mind people. Say most people in offices are like that. Working for mental health both takes you into some rough neighborhoods, and means you are walking around with crazies. Like at our residental places....I would never carry in there. Espcialy the youth homes...these are boys that come up and grab your punch down tool out of your back pocket and would try to stab you with it.
Darrin and I are screwed no matter what I guess....:uhoh:
Smokin' Joe
May 25, 2003, 12:00 AM
I'm still trying to figure out why military members are not allowed to carry on base, seeing as how many of us have been specifically trained in firearms use.
It can't be to protect the spouses, they're already getting whacked. . . .
Peetmoss
May 25, 2003, 10:30 AM
I work in a criminal protection area (gun free zone). Funny it's also a drug free zone and that hasn't seemed to stop anyone. Maybe the criminals can't read.:confused: :D
michiganfan
May 26, 2003, 09:16 AM
I am part owner of my business. So I carry but I don't tell. My partners might frown on it and a couple of our employees would faint.
Kharn
May 26, 2003, 09:53 AM
I work on a Naval base. The Navy pays approximately ~100 Marines to keep the trouble to a minimum. Getting your ID checked by a guard with an M9 and a Rem 870 while looking at a sand-bagged M240 emplacement is quite an experience. :what:
Kharn
starfuryzeta
May 26, 2003, 03:45 PM
My work is a lovely, PC, white-collared, computer corporate environment. The handbook specifically states that no weapons are allowed, even those with permits, in the buildings, parking lots, and company vehicles. It used to say all vehicles, but in the past two years has been amended to company vehicles. Hmmm, wonder why. :rolleyes:
Anyways, what pisses me off about our handbook is the fact that they want the employees to be on the lookout for trouble with workplace violence. No problem there. However, some of the things they define as reportable offenses are: bringing weapons to work, talking about bringing weapons to work, or just talking about weapons in general. :cuss:
They'd be surprised how many people show up for the "official" range day luncheon. :D
GlocksRock
May 27, 2003, 12:48 PM
No guns for me here at the bank.
blackhawk2000
May 27, 2003, 01:10 PM
Stevie-Ray said:
My job prohibits firearms on company property, including the parking lot. This is going to get them sued sooner or later, since there have been several killings on company property. My wife has specific instructions if anything happens to me this way.
Sounds like we work at the same place. A few years back an employee went on a shooting spree. I don't know how much damage or death he caused, as I wasn't working here then. They sent out an email reminding everyone about no weapons policy when Mi passed shall issue.
FWIW we too have card access doors, but that usually doesn't stop an employee from entering buildings, and most workplace shootings are probably from disgruntled employees.
RustyHammer
May 27, 2003, 01:14 PM
Don't ask, don't tell ... nothing in writing for or against. Works for me!
cordex
May 27, 2003, 01:17 PM
Thanks for posting this topic. When I walked in to work this morning I put my snubbie on my desk and hadn't gotten around to strapping it on. All better now.
DMK
May 27, 2003, 02:56 PM
DMK, no guns at work via North Kackalacky law? Police departments are unarmed? Gun shoppes? El Tejon, as I said in my post, I work for an educational institution. Yes, no guns allowed anywhere on campus with the one exception of LEOs in the course of their duties.
http://www.ncleg.net/Statutes/GeneralStatutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-269.2.html
BTW, the overly strict NC state law also forbids firearms open or concealed(again except LEOs in the course of their duties) at anywhere that charges admission( ball games, movie theaters?), anywhere that serves alchohol, any public assembly or parade.
http://www.ncleg.net/Statutes/GeneralStatutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-269.3.html
http://www.ncleg.net/Statutes/GeneralStatutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-277.2.html
Concealed weapons are also prohibited at banks and courthouses.
http://www.ncleg.net/Statutes/GeneralStatutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-269.4.html
http://www.ncleg.net/Statutes/GeneralStatutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-269.html
SADshooter
May 27, 2003, 03:09 PM
Moo-nicipal employee. Weapons on premises (including POV in parking lot) = termination.
JohnBT
May 27, 2003, 03:30 PM
I work for the Commonwealth of Virginia. Been with them for 29 years so maybe I'll do one more.
We are in rented office space.
1. State employees are not allowed to carry at work even with a permit.
2. Anyone else visiting the building can carry legally with a permit. As if anybody is checking. There is no security to keep the unlawful gun toters out.
3. I walk to work most days and quite often it is dark coming and going.
It would certainly be nice to be able to carry at the office.
John
Desert Dog
May 27, 2003, 06:06 PM
I work for a huge electronics company and weapons of any kind are not allowed on the property...
The only crimes against your person here is the occasional car theft from the parking lot. I drive an ugly old truck, so that circumstance doesn't worry me much.
Mike
SRYnidan
May 27, 2003, 09:09 PM
The bad news is that the gate guards do random vehicle inspections and forbids CCW. The good news is the same young Army and Air Force guys tend to keep the riff raff out. I still am not happy about the drive to and from work but not much I can do about it.
El Rojo
May 27, 2003, 11:01 PM
Yeah carrying my gat into the federal correctional institution is frowned upon. However, it would be really easy to carry to work. We walk right on through the metal detector everyday and since we are staff no one pays a lick of attention. So why don't I carry? I was in a "minor" disturbance last September. A Glock 27 with 9-10 rounds in the gun and 8 rounds on standby is not going to save me against 100+ inmates in a frenzie. In fact, it would probably assure my death. My more important self-defense tools would be the keys and my feet.
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