Quick noob question about Mauser actions


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lebshiff21
December 6, 2006, 09:36 AM
I've seen a lot of "sporterized" Mausers (98's especially). Here's my question: If I find an 8mm Mauser action, what are the steps necessary to make it into a 25-06, 30-06, .257, etc, etc.? Am I totally off base? It seems that there's a lot of sporterized Mausers in calibers other than the standard 8mm, 7.62x51, 7x57, & 6.5x55. Am I missing something besides the need for a new barrel & stock? Do people just take 8mm's and somehow make them into 25-06, etc.?

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RevolvingCylinder
December 6, 2006, 09:49 AM
It's generally a rebarreling. Examples can be found here: http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=9&Categoryid=11551&categorystring=10636***10560***9144***
The most popular rechambering is .30-06 which adapts real well to the Mauser platform.

A custom military Mauser is on my future to-do list. I'm not sure which barrel chambers fit well into the military issue stocks but I'm sure it can be done with some fitting.

dfaugh
December 6, 2006, 09:50 AM
All of the calibers you mention use the same base size (.473) for the cartridge. So, you don't need to do anything to the bolt face/action to use 'em. So, as you say a barrel switch and a stock. (some of the -06 length cartridges may require a bit of work on the magazine, though, especially with longer bullets.

Now, even if you go to some of the "magnum" (bigger base) it still only requires some fairly minor modifications to the bolt face, to accept the larger base.

In short, the a bunch of cartridges that a standard Mauser action can easily accomodate.

lebshiff21
December 6, 2006, 10:00 AM
Interesting - thanks for the quick replies. So - if I find a cailber I like w/ the same base size as the 8x57 (.473) it's a relatively "easy"? :cool:

GreyMauser
December 6, 2006, 11:04 AM
There were lots of variations on 98 Mausers when they left the factories, and some have fared better than others since then (think Russian front, nothing matches). A copy of The Mauser Bolt Actions by Jerry Kuhnhausen would be very helpful before you select your action.

critter
December 6, 2006, 12:33 PM
I love the Mauser 98 actions! I have made rifles in .270, 25-06 and 35 Whelen on those actions. Only need to rebarrel them and headspace. Bolt face needs no alteration. Action rails need no work as they all feed wonderfully. I also have a Chilian M12/61. They are 98's made by Steyr which were later converted to 7.62 Nato (aka 308 Win) in 1961 by rebarreling. Using short rounds like this, it is prudent to do as they did: they placed a small block in the front of the mag box to insure that the short round fed well.

Great project! Not a really cheap alternative, but loads of fun and you can come out with EXACTLY what you want in a rifle.

lebshiff21
December 6, 2006, 01:08 PM
Neat - Yeah, I've read it can be a little cost-prohibitive, but over a long term - the wife won't know ;)

The best place to get 98 Mauser actions? Best to just buy an old beat up rifle?

RevolvingCylinder
December 6, 2006, 01:15 PM
The best place to get 98 Mauser actions? Best to just buy an old beat up rifle?
Same thing I've wondered for a while. I've had bad luck tracking down worn 98 Mausers for reasonable prices lately.

Vern Humphrey
December 6, 2006, 01:17 PM
Before you embark on a custom rifle, think it through.

Yes, rebarreling will turn an 8X57 into a 7X57, .308 Winchester, 7mm-08, .30-06 (albeit with some work on the magazine to make it feed the longer cartridge) and so on.

But what will you use for sights? Putting iron sights on the new barrel can be expensive. If you use a scope, you need to do the following:


Drill and tap for bases
Reforge or weld on a new bolt handle to clear the scope ocular bell
Change the safety (again to clear the ocular bell)

Add polishing and reblueing, and throw in a new stock and swivels, and some trigger work (or possibly an after-market trigger) and you've spent more than the cost of a new sporter.

RevolvingCylinder
December 6, 2006, 02:23 PM
Add polishing and reblueing, and throw in a new stock and swivels, and some trigger work (or possibly an after-market trigger) and you've spent more than the cost of a new sporter.
It's not about saving money. Most know that you can buy a much lower-quality sporter for cheaper. It's very hard to do better than a properly done custom Mauser. It's my opinion that polishing should be done anyway. An after-market trigger is money well spent.

At least I don't think he's building on a budget.

Shawn 357
December 6, 2006, 02:40 PM
I've bought a couple used sporterized Mausers and they haven't done me wrong yet. Just another alternative cause I know the ones I've bought cost a lot more to build than I spent on them...

rino451
December 6, 2006, 03:03 PM
What's wrong with buying a Remington 798 or 799 or a CZ without all the fuss? Personally, I've been leaning toward the CZ550 in .30-06 for a first hunting rifle.

Vern Humphrey
December 6, 2006, 04:20 PM
It's not about saving money. Most know that you can buy a much lower-quality sporter for cheaper. It's very hard to do better than a properly done custom Mauser. It's my opinion that polishing should be done anyway. An after-market trigger is money well spent.

In theory, that's true. But in practice, you can walk a hundred miles up and down the aisles at gunshows and find hundreds of sporterized Mausers and never find one that's actually better than say, an out-of-the-box Model 700 Remington.

RevolvingCylinder
December 6, 2006, 04:56 PM
In theory, that's true. But in practice, you can walk a hundred miles up and down the aisles at gunshows and find hundreds of sporterized Mausers and never find one that's actually better than say, an out-of-the-box Model 700 Remington.
I've got a custom pre-WWII Czechoslovakian VZ24 sitting here that I have yet to find a rifle that matches its quality. It's rechambered in .30-06, got the bolt turned down, drilled, tapped, polished, custom trigger with almost no travel and so light that you can practically breathe on to fire, awesome sights, a low profile sight that's similar in style to an original(except lo-pro of course) custom everything. Incredibly accurate and smooth. Handles like a dream. I only wish I knew who did the rifle. A true work of art. It's not mine though.
I want to somewhat duplicate this rifle except while retaining much of the original military appearance. That would be my dream precision rifle.

Where can one get more info on reworking Mausers?

Vern Humphrey
December 6, 2006, 05:06 PM
I've got a custom pre-WWII Czechoslovakian VZ24 sitting here that I have yet to find a rifle that matches its quality. It's rechambered in .30-06, got the bolt turned down, drilled, tapped, polished, custom trigger with almost no travel and so light that you can practically breathe on to fire, awesome sights, a low profile sight that's similar in style to an original(except lo-pro of course) custom everything. Incredibly accurate and smooth. Handles like a dream. I only wish I knew who did the rifle. A true work of art. It's not mine though.

A rifle of that quality will cost you big bucks nowadays -- but if you want to build a rifle, you'll find many modern smiths don't like Mausers as much as they used to -- modern actions with better lock time and other advantages are what they prefer to start with.

lebshiff21
December 6, 2006, 05:38 PM
Where can one get more info on reworking Mausers?



http://www.98mauser.com/

http://www272.pair.com/stevewag/ - look under the firearm repair section

AndyC
December 6, 2006, 05:39 PM
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Jubjub
December 6, 2006, 07:42 PM
My dad bought a semi-sporterized Mauser from Montgomery Wards in the early sixties. From the crest on the receiver ring and the other markings on the action, it started out as a Brno VZ24 7mm short rifle made in 1937 for the army of Guatemala. The bolt handle was sort of bent down, a two groove 30-06 barrel with sporter open sights, and a plain low grade walnut monte carlo stock with a recoil pad was added.

The rest of the rifle is basically crap, but oh my is that action slick.

The stock split at the wrist, and needs to be replaced. I keep fighting the urge to buy it a new stock and a nice trigger and one of those XS scout scope bases. Then I'd need a scout scope and all that ammo to shoot through it.:D

RevolvingCylinder
December 6, 2006, 08:07 PM
Basically, I would want something along the lines of: rechamber to .30-06, polish up the action, really nice set of sights, refinish the stock, after-market trigger.. Nothing too fancy. I may also consider a scope mount. I don't want to mount over the receiver as I still want to be able to use the stripper clips.

atblis
December 6, 2006, 08:10 PM
Disregard this if you trully want to make a custom mauser. You could get a CZ550, and that would be pretty close to a sporterized mauser.

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