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moody22
December 6, 2006, 11:18 PM
I was wondering wat the best rifle would be. I am getting one soon but was wondering if I need a 270win mag or something else. I was going to get the 300 WSM but found out how much the recoil is. Help me out here yall. Yall know more than me. Thanx.

For Whitetail deer
I will be hunting in Arkansas. Sometimes in brush and sometimes in long shooting lanes. My limit on money wise is very low but have found quite a few nice ones. No more than $575 thats not including the accesories. I have found a Remington Model 700 Synthetic 300 WSM, 308, 270win for $505. What do yall think. And is mossberg a good hunting rifle. I didnt think it was but thought i would ask yall.

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.38 Special
December 6, 2006, 11:19 PM
Best rifle for what?

Waywatcher
December 7, 2006, 01:17 AM
I like my 30-06 but a 243, 308, 7mm-08, 270 will all do the job.

If I bought a deer-specific rifle it would be 243.

Clean97GTI
December 7, 2006, 01:22 AM
If I was to buy a new deer rifle, I'd look for something in .308 or .30-06

Its cheap, its widely available and you aren't limited by your ammo should you ever want to look for bigger game. Thirty caliber cartridges do everything pretty well and there isn't much on the North American continent that can't be taken with a .308 or .30-06.

grizz
December 7, 2006, 02:14 AM
I'd go .270, .308, or .30-06 in a Savage. Why? Those are about the most popular cartridges for deer in America (with good reason). Ammo everywhere for good prices. Savage because they're a heck of a rifle for the cost.

ArfinGreebly
December 7, 2006, 03:45 AM
How far away will these deer be?

If they're a long way off, then something in a nice .308 or .270 or .30-06 or . . . [list of other high-powered calibres].

If you're hunting in the woods and brush and your shots will pretty much always be inside of a football field, then the .30-30 works real well -- in fact, at that range, so do the .357 carbine and the .44 magnum carbine.

Could you clarify the anticipated hunting conditions?

lev83
December 7, 2006, 04:32 AM
270 Win or WSM are good choices. 6mm also noce flat round but more difficult to locate ammo for. 30-06 also a good choice. Each has their benefits and limitations. Where will you hunt? What kind of terrain?

ryoushi
December 7, 2006, 09:30 AM
For Whitetail Deer right? .243, .260 Remington and 7mm-08. Anything bigger is overkill and you're just beating up your shoulder. All three will work very well out to 400yds.

rangerruck
December 7, 2006, 10:00 AM
well, lets just say that the best all around, most common , do everything round will proly be a 30/06, then the 308. next up would be a 270, then proly a 243. A good beginner to expert use rifle , would be a Savage. Great overall rifles, and easy on the wallet.

Smokey Joe
December 7, 2006, 10:15 AM
Another consideration besides distance (and incidentally, your shooting skill and willingness to practice) is, how much are you planning on spending for this deer rifle?

If you're on a severe budget, as was suggested, a Savage gives you a LOT of bang for your buck. If you have the $$ to spare, a CZ will be nicer to look at, better mechanically, and probably more accurate right out of the box.

Don't fail to consider buying used--rifles aren't like cars, where there can be lots of hidden wear and stuff about to fail. You can look at a rifle, inside and out, and tell pretty well whether or not it's been taken care of. Buying a used rifle @ a gun sho, or better yet--for your first rifle--at a local shop that will be there for you and stand behind the rifle should a problem develop, is an option you should not discard. And again, more bang for yr buck buying used.

As to cartridge, anything in between a .243Win and a .300 Wby will do in deer with very little problem. The ammo-availability considerations are valid, however, so you probably do want to go with something that's popular with other hunters, for your first rifle anyhow, before branching out into oddball wildcats.

Finally, may I suggest doing as much homework before you buy, as you can manage. Go to the manufacturers' websites and look @ the various models. Read the write-ups in the gun mags about various models, and various cartridges. Go to a local range and politely ask everyone there what they're shooting, and why, and whether they'd reccommend it to you, and can you please handle theirs to see how it fits you. The more you know before ANY purchase, the better prepared you are to make yourself happy with that purchase. You will get conflicting advice, and quite a bit of BS, and mebbe become confused, but sorting this all out in the information stage will be a very good learning experience about rifles in general, as well as being a lot cheaper than sorting it out by purchasing rifle after rifle in search of one you really like.

Good luck. Enjoy the search.

High Planes Drifter
December 7, 2006, 01:02 PM
moody, Im assuming you are new to hunting.? A good all-around caliber is what I would recomend. Something that would be easy to find ammo for, and would fill your needs at close and longer ranges. .30-06 , .270 (non magnum), and .308 would be the three calibers I'd look at rifles in. Sure, there are a boatload of calibers that would be fine for whitetail, but those three are the most common calibers, and a plethora of rifles are chambered in them.

Added- if you are set on hunting hardwoods and your shots will definately be under 200 yards, a Marlin 336 in .30-30 would fill your needs, and would be easy on the wallet.

Correia
December 7, 2006, 01:32 PM
Hey guys, I was wondering, what's the best car?

It would be for driving.

ryoushi
December 7, 2006, 01:40 PM
For Whitetail Deer? A 1977 Silverado pickup.

USSR
December 7, 2006, 01:55 PM
Hey guys, I was wondering, what's the best car?

It would be for driving.

Yeah, I've about had my fill of inane questions as well.

Don

Outlaws
December 7, 2006, 01:56 PM
You want the 3/4 ton though because I here the 1/2 ton axle will snap if the deer goes under at over 35-40mph.

Vern Humphrey
December 7, 2006, 02:03 PM
I'd go .270, .308, or .30-06 in a Savage. Why? Those are about the most popular cartridges for deer in America (with good reason). Ammo everywhere for good prices. Savage because they're a heck of a rifle for the cost.

Excellent choice. The Savage also has the ability to allow you to switch barrels. You can buy the tools and another barrel for less than a complete rifle, and if you want a third caliber, all you really need is a barrel and gage. I'd go with the long action, and perhaps at some future date acquire a .35 Whelen barrel for elk, moose, etc., and a .25-06 barrel for plains game, varmits, etc.

rbernie
December 7, 2006, 02:24 PM
Hey guys, I was wondering, what's the best car?

It would be for driving.The one that I own.

It's silver and goes really fast. The silver ones go fastest.

moody22
December 7, 2006, 09:57 PM
Thanks everyone for helping me out and if yall still have some things to tell me please do.

iamkris
December 7, 2006, 10:13 PM
Hey guys, I was wondering, what's the best car?

It would be for driving.


OMG, where is the "laughing out loud, rolling on the floor, slapping the ground" smiley when you need it. I have to clench my teeth everytime I see a question like this.

Back to the regularly scheduled topic

I would agree with the posters that say your caliber choices are overkill. Soft recoiling calibers like the .260, 7mm-08, .243 will do everything you are asking for...without the price you'll have to pay in your wallet and shoulder (this from a happy owner of a .300 WSM)

mustanger98
December 7, 2006, 10:29 PM
Well, in my opinion, the original question was legitimate and, except that most of us on this board don't live next door to the original poster to know his best bet for where he lives, pretty well phrased. It could have been a little more detailed, but if the guy is new to hunting, likely he won't know how many questions he has. I've been there. I'm sure we all have.

As for the wiseass question about the best car for driving/deer, if it hadn't been misapplied it'd have been a lot funnier.

So now, I'll tell my opinion on the original question... either a .30-30 levergun or a Savage Model 11G in .243Winchester. Neither one will break the bank. They'll both do the job. My experience deer hunting in my part of the country is most shots will be well within 200yds and most of those will be well within 100yds. A .30-30 will handle that and, according to my info, the point blank zero (this counts lowest and highest points of impact) for a Winchester Silvertip is IIRC something like 351yds. The .243Winchester will do the job too at longer range with a lighter faster bullet and flatter trajectory. Either will do the job if the shooter knows what he's doing... although many don't know what they're doing. Just depends on personal preference.

rbernie
December 7, 2006, 10:54 PM
As for the wiseass question about the best car for driving/deer, if it hadn't been misapplied it'd have been a lot funnier.Well, you had to see the question before it was edited - Correia's point was a lot more a propos to the original unedited post...

Sometimes in brush and sometimes in long shooting lanes.It's hard to find a rifle that will do both well. Rifle chamberings that have good trajectory and adequate downrange energy often wind up not performing as well inside of 100 yards due to bullet blow-up or the like. You can kind of push this problem around a bit with premium bullets (e.g. Barnes) but in the end it's still a not-so-trivial thing to resolve.

30-06 and 270 are about as versatile a chambering as you can get, and are well supported by ammo manufacturers and well stocked just about anywhere you can go. Either of these will serve you well.

.38 Special
December 8, 2006, 12:17 AM
The original question read, in its entirety, "I was wondering wat the best rifle would be. I am getting one soon but was wondering if I need a 270win mag or something else. I was going to get the 300 WSM but found out how much the recoil is. Help me out here yall. Yall know more than me. Thanx."

In that light, Correia's reply was hilarious.

grizz
December 8, 2006, 02:28 AM
The name of this forum is THR, right?

The OP is BRAND NEW here and from his first post obviously is new to guns. How about we try to help out and not all gang up on a new member of THR and make them feel stupid for not asking a question that encompases every facet of what they will ever use the rifle for, how they will use it, what color grain wood they prefer, how heavy they would like it to be, what length barrel they like, what type of action they prefer, what weight trigger they are looking for, etc., etc., etc., etc.!

GIVE ME A BREAK. Either help someone with honest advise, or reply with something like, "could you be more detailed in what you'd use it for" or DON'T REPLY.

Why are we trying to make someone feel bad, feel stupid, or be turned off by THR for not having as much knowledge as some of the members here?

Nematocyst
December 8, 2006, 02:56 AM
Best truck (cars suck): F-250 Power Stroke Diesel. (I could take elk with it.)

Best rifle (for anything): Marlin 336C in .30-30. (I could take elk with it.)

Best shotgun: Oh, wait, not being addressed in this thread.

{870P}

Mark Whiteman
December 8, 2006, 03:40 AM
I prefer a .308. Ammo is plentiful, numerous choices for bullets, and it'll knock virtually anything down inside 300 yards you can hit. (take a look at a measured 300 yards and think about how likely anything beyond that you'll be shooting at.) Second choice is .30-06. Very similar to .308, adding 200-220gr bullets but with a longer action/bolt throw. .30 caliber has at least twice the choice of available loads of any other, in North America at least.

High Planes Drifter
December 8, 2006, 08:50 AM
This guy is brand new to hunting, maybe even guns. Why would you rag on him because he's asking the typical newbie questions? If he's asked something thats been asked a hundred times, so what? It lets you know he's a typical NEWBIE. Nothing wrong with that.

quote:
Yeah, I've about had my fill of inane questions as well.

Don
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Then pass over them. If you're not going to be helpfull, you should stay silent. You guys should excersise a bit of patience. In the hunting forum there's a sticky thread asking people to mentor new hunters. Thats the kind of friendly hand out to newbies we should be extending throughout the forum. And if you dont want to be helpfull, stay silent. There's no need for smartass comments.

Ash
December 8, 2006, 09:10 AM
$500 is too much for a synthetic Remington, they can be had for $100 less. The Remington would be fine, if you want a Remington. Others would work just great, too. I personally like Savage and Mossberg (older) rifles. If you want synthetic, I would go for a Savage for $350 and then put on a good scope, like a Burris. Package deal scopes work fine for the short term, though, so if you get a good deal on a package deal that has a Simmons or a low end Bushnell, you can go hunting without buying a new scope.

Welcome to the boards.

Ash

Lonestar.45
December 8, 2006, 10:31 AM
Don't go with any of the WSM calibers if you are short on money. Ammo cost and availability will not be in your favor. I really don't think you can go wrong with a .270 or a .308. I'm partial to the .270 just because I have two and they work great for me, but a .308 would do the job just as well. I have a Remington BDL and a synthetic stock ADL and they're the perfect deer rifles if you ask me. The ADL would be in your price range if you could find one, or the new SPS that took it's place. Good luck.



Yeah, I've about had my fill of inane questions as well.

Don

Don, I thought this was the High Road. There's no need to give a newbie the cold shoulder here.

USSR
December 8, 2006, 12:01 PM
When someone can't comment that a dumb question is a dumb question, you really aught to think of creating your own forum. Here are some of my suggestions for a name: I_love_you-you_love_me.com; Girly_men.com; Can't_we_all_just_get_along.com; and Feelings_matter.com. Sorry guys, but you can't go through life without offending someone. And those that try are milquetoast.

Don

Correia
December 8, 2006, 12:25 PM
Look guys, I'm not trying to bash on a newbie. (you know I wouldn't spend so much time here, and teaching gun stuff if I was like that) But the original question (before the edit) had zero info.

I made a joke to get a point across. Obviously it worked, since the original poster went back and clarified what he was looking for. Otherwise all of our posts would have been wild guesses that wouldn't help at all.

Nematocyst
December 8, 2006, 04:41 PM
I'm standing behind Correia in his post #30. Very accurate. I read Moody's original post within hours after s/he posted it, but passed up advice because the question - before the edit - was too vague.
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Moody, welcome to THR. Good job on the edit. Much more clear.

In general, you'll find us to be a pretty helpful and kind group of folks here. With the help of mods, we do a reasonably good job of keeping ourselves in line and respectful of others.

But we do have a bit of a sardonic streak sometimes when it comes to effective communication. When you wish to ask questions or offer advice of your own, spend a little time editing your posts before you post them. Attempt to express your questions/comments with clarity. Read it and ask yourself, "If I was reading this but knew nothing about the question/topic, would I get it? Will a reader understand what I'm asking/saying?"

Enjoy your stay here. There are many lifetimes of knowledge and wisdom about firearms and related issues flowing here. I've learned more about guns and their safe use in the last year and a half on THR than I did in my previous four decades of gun ownership.

Nem

kennyboy
December 8, 2006, 07:54 PM
Don't waste your money on a Mossberg. Their ATR or whatever their rifle is called is supposed to be okay, but for a little more money, you can have a much better rifle such as a Remington, Weatherby, or another quality rifle.

marksman13
December 8, 2006, 08:05 PM
For a new shooter, I would say go with a .243. Plenty of power to kill a deer inside of four hundred yards. Easy on the shoulder. Easy on the wallet. I would go with a Remington Model 700 or Savage 110. Are you planning on mounting a scope on this rifle?

Vern Humphrey
December 8, 2006, 08:44 PM
When someone can't comment that a dumb question is a dumb question, you really aught to think of creating your own forum. Here are some of my suggestions for a name: I_love_you-you_love_me.com; Girly_men.com; Can't_we_all_just_get_along.com; and Feelings_matter.com. Sorry guys, but you can't go through life without offending someone. And those that try are milquetoast.

You might wanna remember that fine old Irish proverb, "There's many a man whose mouth has broken his nose.":D

grizz
December 8, 2006, 10:43 PM
When someone can't comment that a dumb question is a dumb question, you really aught to think of creating your own forum. Here are some of my suggestions for a name: I_love_you-you_love_me.com; Girly_men.com; Can't_we_all_just_get_along.com; and Feelings_matter.com. Sorry guys, but you can't go through life without offending someone. And those that try are milquetoast.

Ok then, try this one on for size Don (aka USSR):

Your post proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that are an idiot. You have you-know-what for brains. You probably didn't finish 3rd grade. You certainly can't spell beyond a 3rd grade level anyway (aught?).

Well, I definitely wasn't trying NOT to offend anyone there. How did it feel?

Just like Correia, I also was simply "making a point", so I hope nobody gets too steamed over this.

The bottom line is that THE O.P. IS NEW TO T.H.R. and wasn't asking a stupid question. His question wasn't as detailed as it could have been, but what's the point in jumping on his back about it?

robctwo
December 9, 2006, 12:49 AM
I killed my first couple of black tail deer here in Oregon with Dad's old 30-30. I moved up to the .243 in Winchester and killed a bunch of deer. Some close up in the trees and some out there a ways in the clear cuts. I still have and love that gun. I also have owned and killed deer with a .270, .308 and 300 WSM. I think the .243 in a Savage would be a great place to start. Accu trigger and not too much $. You could always re-barrel the .243 to .308 if you really needed to move up, or, like most of us here, you could buy a gun or three a year for the rest of your life and become hopelessly addicted to shooting, hunting and sharing on forums.

Nematocyst
December 9, 2006, 03:13 AM
OK.

Now that we're finished bashing each other :what: back to the question.
For Whitetail deer
I will be hunting in Arkansas. Sometimes in brush and sometimes in long shooting lanes. My limit on money wise is very low but have found quite a few nice ones. No more than $575 thats not including the accesories.Moody, I've hunted in Arkansas. (Mostly in the Ozarks.)

Depending on what part of ARK you're in, brush dominated accurately describes it (at least for now) with an occassional long shot (but never any really long distances like those encountered in taking Colorado or Wyoming mulies).

For a first rifle, I'd recommend a .30-30.

Low recoil, good to 150 yds (longer with Hornady), inexpensive ammunition.

My vote is for Marlin, but Winchester owners may disagree. :p

One can pick up a nice Marlin 336W new for around $300. Quality used rifles for less.

To that 336, add a decent scope. Spend the remainder of that $575 on as many boxes of 170 gr. rnds as you can. (Range time is good.)

Money is tight for me, too. I'll buy a 336 in .30-30 as soon as cash flow increases a bit.

I'm planning on putting an XS Lever Scout Mount (http://www.xssights.com/store/scope.html) on it, along with a Leupold FX-II 2.5x28mm (http://www.opticsplanet.net/leupold-25x28mm-m8-ier-scout-rifle-scope.html).

All that for:

Marlin 336 used: $250
XS Scout Scope mount: $50
Leupold: $260

Total: <calculating>: $560.

With your extra $15, buy two boxes of ammunition.

BA/UU/R.

Nem

mustanger98
December 9, 2006, 01:38 PM
My vote is for Marlin, but Winchester owners may disagree.

I'm a Winchester owner who doesn't disagree. I brag on my Winchester, but I like Marlin too. Each has strengths and weaknesses. There are some real snobs on both sides of that debate though. I've had Marlin owners, both online and in person, bash my opinion because I'd even dare to like a Winchester, but they didn't take into account that I like Marlin too.

USSR
December 9, 2006, 03:09 PM
grizz,

I would be happy to match my education with yours any day (BS and graduate studies). As for "aught", it is indeed a word and in Webster's Dictionary. It is a variation of "ought", so perhaps you should consult your dictionary before showing your ignorance. As for my comment, I wouldn't call it jumping on anyone's back. Rather, I would call it a display of frustration at a question so lacking in detail as to be virtually unanswerable. Tell you what, grizz. From now on, you can answer all the stupid questions with your stupid replys.

Don

grizz
December 9, 2006, 04:39 PM
USSR:

"Aught" means "nothing" the word your simple mind couldn't dig up was "ought". Look it up again.

I would be happy to match my education with yours any day (BS and graduate studies).

Ok, I've got a B.S. in biology from Drexel University, a M.S. in molecular biology from Drexel University, and a Certification in Medical Technology from the American Society of Clinical Pathologists. I currently work in R&D for a major reference laboratory designing lab tests that help save peoples lives. What did you study?

As for my comment, I wouldn't call it jumping on anyone's back. Rather, I would call it a display of frustration at a question so lacking in detail as to be virtually unanswerable.

Bull. Plenty of people in this thread managed to reply with constructive advice. You however did not choose "The High Road". Rather than simply ask for more information, you chose to make the OP feel stupid.

I'm sure that you are simply trying to make up for personal deficiencies. Sorry man, you will always be stupid, you will never be bigger, and women will always think you are a freak.

Nematocyst
December 9, 2006, 05:06 PM
USSR and Grizz,

I just saw a mod walking down the hall with a thread lock device, coming this way.

May I suggest you guys take your argument about who's more stupid and who's more educated outside so that we can help Moody select a good rifle without getting the thread locked?

I've gotten into mud-slinging frays like this, too. I understand the passion.

But your posts have crossed over into ad hominem now.

I think that most of us feel that we've settled the issue about the original lack of clarity in Moody's first post, and the fact that Moody did a great job of editing his post to clarify the question when the original lack of clarity was pointed out.

Chill out, guys, please.

Nem

klover
December 9, 2006, 06:43 PM
Grizz was just trying to tell USSR that we on THE HIGH ROAD endeavor to be spritiual in our attitudes :rolleyes: . But I'll just stay out of it ;) .

A big welcome to you Moody, and such displays are very rare here, honest.:D

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