Price check: Enfield Long Branch #4 mk1


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springmom
December 7, 2006, 11:59 AM
I'm looking at one of these on an online auction site. What's a reasonable price for a good condition stock, good rifling on the barrel Enfield?

Springmom, who REALLY needs to apply for her C&R, I can see that right now

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springmom
December 7, 2006, 01:16 PM
Anybody?????

Springmom

crowsnest2002
December 7, 2006, 07:49 PM
the condition of the rifle has a lot to do with the price

Century Arms Good W cracked stock $99

Chipperman
December 7, 2006, 07:57 PM
Ballpark that I'd expect from an online auction would be $150-200.

joab
December 7, 2006, 08:24 PM
Price is subjective.
Enfield generally go for between $100 and $200
LongBranches sometimes bring a slight premium.
One recently sold on GunBroker for over $300 but it was beautiful.

I bought a Brit made Enfield from AIM recently for $109 and a couple of US enfields from SOG for $160, I believe.

springmom
December 7, 2006, 10:33 PM
Hm. Well, I may have paid slightly more than I needed to, but this is what I'm spending $255 on:

Made in Long Branch, Ontario, Canada. These rifles were used by British and Commonwealth troops in and after WW2. Known for its accuracy and fast bolt action, it proved its worth in battle. This example has a dark walnut stock with minimal wear. Bore is bright with sharp rifling. Numbers are stamped, but do not match. Finish shows a nice patina. Comes with original leather battle sling

Thing is, DH got that WWII carbine in .30 caliber; and he has inherited a pistol his dad brought home from the war (that nobody in the family even knew existed until his mom died this summer). We're working on how to get that home legally (I hate BATFE regulations on shipping guns. Purely hate 'em. They are a pain in the BUTT). So I'm thinking Christmas present for him, something to go with and to start a real honest to goodness collection of WWII era guns, and I saw this, and....

I know. I need to get my C&R. At any rate, it's a done deal.

Springmom, who has a serious case of C&R bug....

mustanger98
December 8, 2006, 12:24 AM
Just out of curiosity, what was the seller's screen name? Reason I ask is there's this one business that keeps British Enfields listed on Gunbroker and they set their minimum bid on the high side and give a description much like the one quoted. From the looks of it, I think they get there's from SOG. If you have an FFL or C&R, or know a FFL who does transfers, you can order direct cheaper. I know because I did order two Mausers from them a few years ago. AIM has been the same way... sent 'em a money order for my Enfield No.4Mk2 and they sent it to the FFL of my choice. That was when AIM was running what they called "shooter specials" on the Enfield... they said they were in rougher shape and only cost $95 +shipping so I only had $107 in it through a buddy who owns a gun shop and didn't charge me for that transfer. The kicker that time though... when I unwrapped the rifle on the counter, it was a greasy mess. The owner's wife was working the counter that day and she thought I'd lost my mind... until I brought it back all cleaned up with the wood refinished and looking real purty.

joab
December 8, 2006, 09:31 AM
I know. I need to get my C&R. At any rate, it's a done deal.

If you had a C&R I would say that you paid a little too much.
But you would also be buying blind.

You have the option of returning a gun that does not live up to your expectations but that also costs money.

I asked AIM if I could handpick for a Long branch and they told me no.

Also from what I see on the cruffler forums LongBranches seem to draw a premium.

This thing probably did come from one of the surplus houses but it has gone through an extra level of handpicking before getting to you, plus you get to see a picture of the gun at least

All in all you didn't do too bad.

If you are going for the whole collection keep in mind that the Yugo Mausers are not true Mausers
Research the Japs thoroughly
And good luck finding an intact Carcano

Unless you want to make a habit of impulse purchases stay away from the 03 FFl

I just wanted a US made Enfield to sporterize into a hunting gun for the nephew.
I now have 7 Enfields in assorted flavors, 5 91/30s 3 SKSs and Nagant revolvers and CZ52s, and I also got that Yugo Mauser.
That was about two or three months worth of buying

springmom
December 8, 2006, 03:31 PM
It's from a fellow by the name of Carl Wolter in Pennsylvania. He has terrific feedback on the Gunbroker site.

I'm jazzed. :D

Springmom

Chipperman
December 8, 2006, 03:54 PM
Post pics when you get it. :cool:

arthurcw
December 8, 2006, 06:53 PM
Springmom, who REALLY needs to apply for her C&R, I can see that right now

yep. this place is a bad influence.

I need to get off my duff and file my paperwork.

Limeyfellow
December 8, 2006, 07:12 PM
It might be a little much for a Longbranch No4 Lee Enfield. Might be worth it if its the No4 Mk1 and not the No4 Mk1* and still had the original blueing and hadn't been parkerised when refurbished after ww2. Even with all numbers matching you should be able to find a Longbranch for about a $150 in similar excellent condition with shiny barrel, excellent stock with very few scratches on.

In the US the only Lee Enfields that tend to come up at $200+ tend to be Savage made ones where people pay the premium of having it built in your own country. Of course No5 Lee Enfields go for more than this or for instance one modified to a No9 or similar go for a very high price.

mustanger98
December 8, 2006, 07:18 PM
It's from a fellow by the name of Carl Wolter in Pennsylvania. He has terrific feedback on the Gunbroker site.

I'm jazzed. :D

I won't buy a gun off of Gunbroker unless the guy has good feedback. I haven't been disappointed.

I hope it's everything you hope for and at least as good as described. The rifles I've bought there have been better than represented. I haven't had dealings with Carl Wolter though. That other outfit I was thinking of is "USWEAPONS" or something like that... they're a dealer, but I'm not saying that's bad either because for all I know, Mr. Wolter probably is too. However, I've bought from dealers and hobbyists both.

springmom
December 8, 2006, 09:25 PM
Might be worth it if its the No4 Mk1 and not the No4 Mk1*

Ummmmmm....:confused: What?

Springmom

Chipperman
December 9, 2006, 10:26 AM
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl04-e.htm

And the "Rifle No.4 Mark 1", widely known as a SMLE No.4 Mk.1, appeared in 1941. This was an improved and strengthened SMLE design, with heavier and stronger receiver, which also was faster and easier to machine, and with heavier barrel. The stock shape was shortened at the front part, giving away with the characteristic Mark III snub-nosed appearance. The barrel-mounted open rear sights were replaced with the receiver-mounted peep-hole sights, which were micrometer-adjustable. The latter feature was substituted by the simplified flip-up rear sights for wartime production, and this version became the No.4 Mk.1* rifle.

armoredman
December 9, 2006, 11:52 AM
I have a LongBranch No4Mk1*, and it is a wonderful rifle.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/EnfieldwithBayonet.jpg
Coworker sold it to me for what he gave in hock for it 15 or so years ago...$50.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/303target.jpg
Her at 100 yards, before I started really tweaking the handloads. I know, not that impressive, but I am reasonably happy with that as a starting point.
If he doesn't reload, this is a GREAT opportunity to start, as factory 303 ain't cheap at all, and the surplus stuff is junk.
Nice rifles, lots of fun, and not bad at all for SHTF.

springmom
December 9, 2006, 01:31 PM
Interesting. Thanks for the worldguns link. They have a link back to Impact Guns http://www.impactguns.com/store/RI1177-G.html that has one of what I am getting. Suggested retail is $269, so by that, I didn't get taken, anyway. And they are out of stock on them.

Yes, we have reloading stuff, and although I have YET to get the flooring put down in that room (one way or another, it's getting done before the new year OR ELSE) when it is, we'll be starting reloading for many of our goodies. ESPECIALLY the rifles. Can't believe how much 20 rounds of .243 goes for. :what:

Thanks, all. I will indeed post pix after Christmas. (Did I mention this is a secret, BTW? DH will get this under the tree :D )

Springmom

Limeyfellow
December 9, 2006, 01:47 PM
The difference between the mk1 and the mk1* is the way the bolt is removed.

The first has a little button you press down when pulling back on the bolt to release the bolthead. The m1* was however simplified and has a notch in the reciever half way down to release the bolt head. Longbranch switched over from the mk1 to the mk1* design in 1942, in the middle of the 1L8xxx serial number range.

For the No4 mk1

http://www.surplusrifle.com/no4/rifledisassembly2006/graphics/l/3.jpg

You see how he presses a catch down as he pulls back on the bolt. This allows for the bolt head to be lifted up so the bolt can be removed from the reciever. Heres a close up.

http://enfieldrifles.profusehost.net/ri9a_files/image003.jpg

Then to make production more simplified they did this.

http://enfieldrifles.profusehost.net/ri9a_files/image005.jpg

This is the m1* modification. You see the slot where you move the bolt head to, to lift it up so you can remove the bolt. Now the vast majority of Longbranch Lee Enfields have the second reciever, so if you find an original unaltered one with the No4 Mk1 bolt release its much rarer.

(pictures from surplusrifle.com and http://enfieldrifles.profusehost.net/ where I was to lazy to take photos from my own. Both pages are well worth a look.)

springmom
December 9, 2006, 02:10 PM
Cool! Thanks.

One of the things I love about getting into guns at my age is that I *always* have something new to learn. And one of the cool things about specialty forums like this is that there are always great people who are willing to teach. :)

Springmom

armoredman
December 9, 2006, 02:28 PM
I pooh pooh'ed Enfields for years, and then discovered how wrong I was...:cool:

mustanger98
December 9, 2006, 06:56 PM
In my case, a No.1Mk3 was the first bolt action rifle I ever had a clue about. That was a long time before I knew the No.4Mk1/Mk1*/Mk2 existed. It just keeps gettin' better and better.:cool:

kennedy
December 9, 2006, 08:10 PM
I have a 1944 all matching long branch, when I thinned the herd a few years back this is the only enfield I kept.

BruceB
December 9, 2006, 08:22 PM
At the age of fifteen in 1958, I was issued Long Branch #4 Mk1* serial number 85L7408 for my summer at an Army Cadet training course at Camp Dundurn, south of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Eight weeks of learning soldier skills at an early age, a thousand miles from home!

If anyone should stumble across 85L7408, I'd pay double whatever the owner paid for it.

It was the first of many #4 Rifles to come to my hands, and I love them now as much as I did then....which is a LOT. The Long Branch rifles are the very best of a fine breed....maybe the fact the Canadian factory wasn't in danger of being bombed had something to do with it.

armoredman
December 9, 2006, 08:44 PM
I'll check the serial...sorry, 51L

Limeyfellow
December 10, 2006, 02:08 AM
My only Longbranch is a No4 Mk1* from 1942 serial numbered 5L8***. About 40000 rifles after they switched the design, though it is my favourite of the No4s I own by far. Its was in excellent condition, and cleaned up nicely. Mighty accurate and I probrobly used it more than most my other firearms. These pictures are a bit old now so its really starting to turn red with the BLO I been adding on the finish and I guess I should really update it but its my Lee Enfield pride and joy.

http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/i/limeyfellow/rifle1.jpg

http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/i/limeyfellow/rifle2.jpg

http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/i/limeyfellow/rifle4.jpg

http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/i/limeyfellow/rifle5.jpg

http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/i/limeyfellow/rifle8.jpg

http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/i/limeyfellow/rifle9.jpg

springmom
December 10, 2006, 11:43 AM
:cool: :cool: :cool: Beautiful rifle!!!!

So ya think DH is going to like his Christmas present, I take it? ;)

DH has always been a history buff (when he "retires" eventually he'd really like to go teach history somewhere) but since this summer when his dad's mystery pistol turned up in the stash up in their attic, he's definitely gotten jazzed about guns that were a part of the European campaign of WWII. And now I am too :D

I hope that over the years we can put together a respectable collection (and that C&R stuff gets left alone altogether by the Dems!!!!) :scrutiny:

Thanks again!

Springmom

Limeyfellow
December 10, 2006, 02:31 PM
We can only hope.

It doesn't help the ban on military barrels and so on thats been in place for the past couple of years. Bush and company seem to hate people having firearms that weren't specifically designed for sporting for some odd reason.

You can't go wrong with a nice Lee Enfield. You might also want to look up one of the Mosins. Great piece of history for usually well under a $100. Mauser prices have gone up a tad to the $200. Alot of these are Russian captures on the market right now but still contain original markings. Finnish Mosins and Persian Mausers are both really well respected firearms.

US surplus rifles will cost you more money. You might want to look for the cmp for the 1903 and M1 Garand. You should be able to pick them up in the $400-700 range, maybe a bit more at stores. Those are your most costly options. You tend to see M1 Carbines going at auctions online and gunshows in the $400-600 range. I really like one with the folding stock personally but my wife insists I spend it on things like fixing her computer that I broke.

Plenty of modern 1911s around and you can still find plenty of WW2 handguns from other countries. I personally would recommend the P38 Walther. Its a find pistol, that fits the hand nice. A P07 luger is going to be really costly. I also like having an Enfield revolver and would like a Webley to add to my British WW2 stuff.

neubig
December 20, 2006, 11:26 PM
I just bought a beautiful #4 mk1......how do I identify the manufacturer and such??

mrmeval
December 21, 2006, 04:20 AM
I paid way too much for this one.

http://mrmeval.is-a-geek.net/~jcaldwel/images/rifles/Enfield-Mk4No1-longbranch-maple.jpg

MJ
December 21, 2006, 11:34 AM
:neener: It cost about $100 in parts and #4 magazines. Nice bore some dings but I still have not shot it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/LB42006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/LB42003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/LB42001.jpg

It came with a sling and bayonet. LB while nice are no more or less well made. In my small opinion the Savage made very good rifles, possibly the best up to 1947. Then the 1949 to 1955 BSA's have no equal. Again just my .02 and this doesn't take in the between wars or pre WW1 rifles which are as a rule very well made.

Cheers

jem375
December 21, 2006, 11:41 AM
I paid $150 for a 1950 Long Branch in great condition, couldn't believe how clean and in such great condition. I reload for mine and only use 150 gr. bullets and ammo.

MJ
December 21, 2006, 12:28 PM
This one was about $200 a few years ago. So don't leave the Savage out of your shopping.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/P1010001.jpg

:cool:

mustanger98
December 21, 2006, 02:10 PM
MJ, Is that Savage originally a sniper? I didn't recall hearing of them configured for the scope.

MJ
December 23, 2006, 07:54 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/bkt047.jpg

I just happen to know were two of them are.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/dis0015a.jpg

;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/42Savageb018.jpg


Happy holiday.

:neener:
MJ

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