Thinking of selling the AR; should I?


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Jack19
December 8, 2006, 08:14 AM
I've got a RRA lower, Bushie Superlite upper AR, with a bunch of goodies (Aimpoint, LaRue mount and BUIS, 20 mags, discreet carry case, etc.), that I'm seriously considering selling in favor of a pistol caliber carbine.

I've never fired it much, probably less than 200 rounds in 4 years, and I recently lost the place where I could shoot. I could join the local gun club, but it's an hour and a half each way and my schedule, these days, doesn't allow me the time.

For me the advantage of a pistol caliber carbine is that the indoor range, a mile from my house, will let me shoot it indoors.

However, the possibility of a Democrat being elected in '08 is very real and some part of me thinks that hanging onto it is a very good idea. On the other hand a pistol caliber carbine would actually let me shoot.

So, I'm considering the following:

1. An IMI Uzi.
2. Marlin 1894 in .44 mag.
3. Marlin 1894 in .357.

I'm looking for some some practical advice. Thanks in advance.

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Brian Williams
December 8, 2006, 08:17 AM
1, Get the Marlin in 357, Great gun and just plain works to 150 yards, a bit more with practice and handloads or premium loads(Corbon, etc)

2, get a 9mm upper


look at Hi-points (real inexpensive) or Keltec 2000 in the mag of your choice, Glock, S&W or Beretta.

Gary G23
December 8, 2006, 08:20 AM
IMO selling the AR would be a big mistake. If you want to get a pistol caliber anything, get a pistol.

ny32182
December 8, 2006, 09:02 AM
Especially if its your only AR, I certainly wouldn't sell. Just keep in and buy a 9mm upper.

GunnySkox
December 8, 2006, 09:10 AM
You can get an M261 .22LR conversion and a pile of magazine inserts (they fit inside normal 20 or 30 rounders) for about 250 bucks, all told. Olyarms makes their own and Sarco sells military surplus ones (I think) and someplace online sells the magazine inserts for less than 20 bucks.

That's what I'm planning to spend at least some of my Christmas monies on (the rest is gonna get saved up for a newer, faster computer).

~GnSx

Geno
December 8, 2006, 09:19 AM
To sell your AR would be one of the biggest mistakes you could make. With the pending "Dim-wit-ocrats" :barf: about to take us hostage, I would not sell any restriction-target firearm. In fact, if you can get yourself a Bushmaster Carbon 15 in 9mm THAT is what I would suggest you purchase. In about 2 years time, those will be for police only. Anyone want to take odds on that assertion?

Doc2005

DogBonz
December 8, 2006, 09:22 AM
The AR15 is a very versatile platform. The Indoor range that I used to go to before I moved let you shoot up to 30-06. It was only a 25 yard range, but shooting the AR at those ranges allowed for at least some form of training. Enough about me; back to your question. I feel that selling the AR would be a bad idea. Maybe you can find a nice 9mm upper somewhere on the cheap. Or, for about the same price you might be able to get a Wally special on a Marlin lever in the pistol calibers.

Also, do you have anything currently in either 44 or 357? Ammo interchangeability would be key.

Hero Gear
December 8, 2006, 09:31 AM
I agree with the previous posts.
If this is your only AR, I would keep it!

In fact, you should think about buying several stripped lowers "just in case"

rangerruck
December 8, 2006, 09:59 AM
keep what you have and get a 9mm upper, or either a kel tec or a hipoint or clairidge or some other much cheaper 9mm carbine. Yes I would seriously be worried about the dems too. There is a case right now, speerheaded by those dems, it is going to get to the supreme court real soon, saying that the 2nd is for the militia only, noct citizens.

SchHrdKncks
December 8, 2006, 10:05 AM
Don't sell. Not with the democrats being elected. Buy all the so called assault rifles you can the next year along with all the hi cap mags you can afford.

Keith Wheeler
December 8, 2006, 10:10 AM
I'm a big time Uzi guy, we've got three of them, and I've gone on for way too much on this board about how much I really love my Uzis. Great guns.

That said, don't sell the AR, keep it and get a 9mm upper. Buy an Uzi if it's a "must have" on your collection, but if you just want a pistol caliber carbine due to your range issue, I think the 9mm AR upper is a excellent choice. I want a 9mm upper for my AR, but I want the DEA type. :evil:

On top of the "what if there's another AWB" risk, putting a 9mm upper on your AR will let you practice with the "same" rifle, if you are ever again in a situation to enjoy it in .223. And while an Uzi is rugged and reliable, an AR is light weight and modern. Plus it's far easier to attach optics to an AR.

Get an Uzi mag-well adapter. Don't deal with STEN mags. Yeah, STEN mags are cheap, but you can get IMI made 32 rnd Uzi mags for $15 each (if you hurry! :)). More reliable and easier to load than STEN mags. Plus they're good solid military mags, like what an AR deserves.

Jack19
December 8, 2006, 10:21 AM
I'm a moron. I never even thought about a 9mm upper. :banghead:

This is why The High Road is the best board around.

Thanks guys.

Bazooka Joe71
December 8, 2006, 11:45 AM
Get a 9mm upper, and then get another lower to go with it!:neener:

No sense in breaking up a fine AR15 in .223 :D

Lowers are the cheap part, so you might as well.

xd9fan
December 8, 2006, 02:31 PM
To sell your AR would be one of the biggest mistakes you could make. With the pending "Dim-wit-ocrats" about to take us hostage, I would not sell any restriction-target firearm. In fact, if you can get yourself a Bushmaster Carbon 15 in 9mm THAT is what I would suggest you purchase. In about 2 years time, those will be for police only. Anyone want to take odds on that assertion?

Not Me!! Good post, Keep the AR!!

KW
December 8, 2006, 03:04 PM
One thing you might consider if you were planning on financing the pistol caliber by selling the AR, is just selling the Aimpoint and mount. You can usually get most of what you paid out of optics, and when you are ready to do a lot of .223 shooting in the future there will probably be something newer and better that you want.

Nicky Santoro
December 8, 2006, 03:57 PM
Thinking of selling the AR; should I?
Why not, if it suits your purposes at the moment. That would assume you could buy another at a later date should you so desire. That being said, in light of the new congress coming in, you might wish to consider whether another stupid ban of some sort may be enacted leaving you high and dry at that later date.
FWIW
YMMV

RockyMtnTactical
December 8, 2006, 07:50 PM
Pistol caliber carbines are toys. Carbines in real rifle calibers are real rifles with real power and long range capabilities.

Even as anemic as the .223 is to larger battle rifle calibers, it's still head and shoulders above even the most stout defensive pistol calibers.

Everyman should own a rifle, a shotgun, a .22, and a defensive pistol. A pistol caliber carbine is a luxury item that serves in little more than for plinking. It should not be substituting the place of your rifle.

Just my opinion.

Simonovfan
December 8, 2006, 08:41 PM
I agree don't sell. When Hillary "Heinrich" Clinton gets in office it's all over. If anything get more, more I tell you. I'm selling alot of my non-gun stuff now, so that I can grab some milsurps.

byf43
December 8, 2006, 10:04 PM
Jack19,

Here is my take. . . .

Do NOT sell the AR. As the others have said, buy a 9mm upper, or heck, even the .50 Beauwolf (sp??) upper!!!!!

Now, here's a word you need to use. . . SUPPLEMENT. Not replace.
Replace is a bad word, in my book.

You want (ahem, cough, cough - need) a Marlin 1894S (.44 magnum) lever rifle to supplement your AR.

taliv
December 8, 2006, 11:09 PM
are you a shooter or a collector?

if you want to own an AR just to own an AR, then fine. You sound like you'd rather be shooting. personally, i'd rather shoot BB guns than have a safe full of guns i never shoot.

imho, there are a number of good pistol caliber carbines. pick a caliber first, then pick a gun

in 45 acp, go with the H&K USC. despite the fact that it is grey, it works fantastically and for me at least, is far more aesthetically pleasing than stuff like camp carbines. if you want to spend some bucks, you can get UMP conversions to put a folding stock on it, etc.

in 9mm, go with either the semi-auto uzi or mp5 clones

consider the 5.7x28 before you buy something though. ammo's half the cost it was a year ago when i bought my PS90 and still falling. hold one before you buy anything else. 50 rnd mags rock, and that gun is super-easy to shoot.

steveracer
December 8, 2006, 11:17 PM
but not to have more handguns. Ive made a switch to .223 AKs, and prefer them over the AR platform, but I would NEVER be without a rifle in a rifle caliber. That's insane.
My grandad said: a pocket equals a pocketknife, a belt equals a pistol, a shoulder equals a rifle, and two hands equals a shotgun. Have a pocket, a belt, a shoulder, and two hands? You need all the tools.

Don't Tread On Me
December 9, 2006, 12:18 AM
This is BAD reasoning on your part. I've thought the same way and caught myself in time.

Do not sell the AR just because you don't use it. It still has value, utility and other positives.

Do not sell the AR because your situation right now doesn't allow you to shoot it.

Find a cheap pistol caliber carbine, like a Kel-Tec...or for more money there's the Beretta storm, and even 9mm AR uppers which allow you to stay familiar with the platform. The Kel-tec is nice since you can order the model that accepts Glock mags, so you can get $20 17rd mags, or for $30, a 33rd mag!


These options allow you to satisfy your carbine fix at a local range and will suit your lifestyle here and now. Take the AR to that far away range on special occasions when you have the chance to make a trip out of it.


Don't give up a perfectly decent AR (which in that configuration is VERY nice, great lower, perfect upper....ideal setup in my opinion). Instead, buy something that suits you for the local range conditions. A range beater. Life can be unpredicatable sometimes. You never know. Better safe than sorry. Also conditions change, a new place to shoot where you can shoot that AR might pop up. You never know.


Your fears of the AWB lovin' Democrats are well founded and correct. You will regret the day you sell that AR.

soul_rapier
December 9, 2006, 12:23 AM
I vote keep it . put it in the safe and get a 9mm of something they are fairly cheap.

1911JMB
December 9, 2006, 12:34 AM
I never did understand the point of a 9mm rifle. I'd way rather have a .45 handgun, or a real long gun. But given your situation, I'd say a hi point might work. I never shot one, but I have seen them at the range, and I've never seen one jam. Plus I don't remember people complaining about them if they actually own one. For 150 bucks it seems worth a try.

cslinger
December 9, 2006, 12:40 AM
I will sort of be the dissentor.

Keep the AR by all means but instead of the 9mm upper get a good quality .22 Long Rifle dedicated upper (DPMS etc.)

I have the DPMS on a Bushmaster lower and it is by far the best gun money I have ever spent. Accurate, reliable and good training for the .223.

Chris

Limeyfellow
December 9, 2006, 12:45 AM
However, the possibility of a Democrat being elected in '08 is very real and some part of me thinks that hanging onto it is a very good idea. On the other hand a pistol caliber carbine would actually let me shoot.

I don't think you have that much to fear. They learnt their lesson in 1994 and theres simply not enough support to crack down on firearms in the Democrat party and we will have gotten rid of Cheney and Bush on their war against all non sporting rifles. A far bigger risk would be the likes of Guilani being elected and using a presidential war order to limit all firearms to like he did in NYC.

If you are simply not using the ar15 and don't want it anymore then get rid of it and find it a good home. If you are in an area where civil disorder could take effect massively (pretty much most major cities) then it might be worth keeping. If you are out in the boonies and don't have to worry about shooting through several walls it might even work for home defense, but then you going to lack from no practice.

A pistol calibre carbine are rather common. I like my Marlin 94 in .44mag and its rather a lovely older lever action. You can pick up the likes of a high-point carbine in 9mm, .40 or .45acp for rather a cheap price and give you lots of use but have a small magazine. There are others like the Beretta CX4 Storm but thats going to cost considerably more. Theres also kits to transfer your handguns into a carbine by adding a new slide and barrel and a few other parts.

10-Ring
December 9, 2006, 12:45 AM
I would keep the AR...simple & to the point :D

ArfinGreebly
December 9, 2006, 12:49 AM
Yes on adding another rifle.

There's a fistful of 9mm carbines out there. If you're rich, the CX4 is nice. Otherwise, there's Ruger, Hi Point, Kel-tec, and so on. These same guys do carbines in .40 S&W and .45 ACP.

Then there's the Marlin series. Suggest 1894C in .357/.38 calibre. The .44 mag and .45 LC are both good, but if the cost of plinking is a factor, the .357/.38 is cheaper to shoot (.38) and yet will take a game load (.357) giving it versitility.

And then, of course, there's the .22 LR; you DO HAVE a rifle in .22 LR, right? Yeah, I knew you did.

Caimlas
December 9, 2006, 12:54 AM
If you sell the rifle, you lose a lot of hte value of the rifle - which, if you wanted to use it at a later date for something like praire dog or varmint hunting, could still be done.

I'd say get a 9mm upper. You can get an RRA for about $430 shipped, I believe, and you could then swap back and forth at whim.

Kontiki
December 9, 2006, 01:57 AM
I sold my first AR, which was also my first gun, for some ungodly reason. Everytime I think of that I kick myself and I've vowed to never, under any circumstances sell another weapon. You will feel the same as I do if you sell that AR, believe it.

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