[winstonsmith]

Look at this picture.

:what:

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

:cuss: :fire:

I hope noone was behind that camera.:uhoh:

[benewton]

There's still some hope here.

Perhaps this is a recoilless pistol.

One round fires forward, and one fires backwards...

[winstonsmith]

Yeah, its strange that people like this don't darwinate themselves, only other people.

Other comments please?

[photo_guy]

This is not that difficult to do safely.
Many cameras have self timers - just set up the camera down range aimed at the 'shooter', push a button and the camera takes the photo 15 or 30 seconds later. No one needs to be down range at the time.

Also, many digital cameras have an IR remote. Set up the camera and take the photo by remote control.

This can also be done by placing a mirror downrange and photographing the 'shooters' image in the mirror.

[Fly320s]

Maybe no one was holding the camera. It could have been on a timer or triggered by remote.

Could be that what appears to be a cartridge in the chamber is a dummy round or that the firing mechanism has been disabled.

:evil: <----- Devil's advocate

[TheOtherOne]

Yeah, what photo_guy said. That's how I would of taken the "shot". Then the only possible victim would be my $300 digital camera.


Oh, and someone's been spending too much time on off-topic.net!

[Bowlcut]

as the song once said.... "here hold my sign"

Or maybe redneck last words, "here hold my beer", or "check this s*&t"....

Sorry i dont care how cool your new gun looks....im not taking a pic down the barrel no matter how much you pay me

[winstonsmith]

Oh, and someone's been spending too much time on off-topic.net!


I fail to see how this is off topic. It's firearm safety.

[gudel]

have you ever thought that the guy may be using a tripod and a timer? :rolleyes: i know i did.

[CleverNickname]

Even assuming he's using a tripod w/timer, he's still violating rule #3 with his finger on the trigger.

[J Miller]

Personally I think it's an interesting picture. If he had tilted the gun just a wee bit we would have had a full view of the bullet.
My suspicions are that he used a timer and was trying to look serious for the camera.
As for looking serious for the camera, you need your finger on the trigger.

And by the way, he didn't shoot the camera, otherwise - no pic.

Me thinks some of you guys are making a bit much out of this.

[boing]

You're over-reacting.

And I don't know anyone who practices dry firing who doesn't also violate rule #3 every time, including myself. It depends on what your definition of "target" is.

[Coronach]

[personal opinion]

The only really bright way to do this shot is with a dummy round and a timed camera on a tripod.

Is it possible that he is doing that? Yup, sure is.

I have my doubts, however. I'm not an optimist. It looks like he's just putting a bad-arse mofo picture on the internet to front for his boyz, and this does RKBA no good.

[/personal opinion]

Mike

[Lonnie Jaycox]

Someone needs to remind this guy that contibutions to stereo types are not tax deductable. This makes us look stupid.

[Frohickey]

Could have been a camera on remote.
Could have been a dummy load with no powder and primer

[Archie]

he doesn't know which way his cap is supposed to point.

[JackM]

At least this young fella's got his hat on right. :p

Bye
Jack

[Flashpoint]

My guess, camera with a timer, outside at night, or in a room with the lights turned off (in which I can't imagine why). Wonder if he got that skinned knuckle in a fight or working on his Chevy?

[TheOtherOne]

Oh, and someone's been spending too much time on off-topic.net!I fail to see how this is off topic. It's firearm safety.
The person in the photo posts on Off-Topic.net. Check out the Arsenal forum there. If someone really wants to know, they could probably ask him directly how he took the picture.


My guess: Self Timer on the camera or Stupid Friend.

Either way, no huge loss if there was a "ND" :)

[AK103K]

He's got dust bunnies too! :)

[Phil in Seattle]

What's the problem?

1)Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

Self timer and a solid backstop? Sure could be both.

2)Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

Looks ready to shoot to me, but he doesn't have to shoot.

3)Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

Looks ready to use to me.


http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/858902/1551961/18316848.jpg

[AK103K]

And NO dust bunnies! :)

[Snowdog]

I'll chime in to point out just how tasteless it is to photograph oneself with one's firearm in a manner in which makes it appear the viewer is being targeted. It's simply irrespective of others, IMHO. I believe it to be rather immature and irritatingly obnoxious; kinda makes me want to see a parental hand manifest and rap these illustrious fellows across the head.

Agree or not, I'm not asking for consensus... I feel it to be reproachable.


However, I believe there are multiple ways to "safely" take such a photograph. If one was not satisfied with traditional photography, such as snapping a tasteful shot of a handgun on a nightstand next to a box of shells and a favorite carry knife (as many talented individuals that frequent THR do so very eloquently).
If some "tough guy" wanted to appear as tough as they believe themselves to be, it can be done so safely with mirrors or timed/remote cameras.

[El Rojo]

I will take a stand and say there is absolutely nothing wrong with that picture. Violating rule #3? Please. Bad for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms? How? The only people that would probably notice that there is some hardball in that Glock and that his finger is on the trigger are gun nuts like ourselves. His hat is backwards? Oh my God no!!!! Not the backwards hat type.

Everyone needs to come down off their high horses and let a guy that wants to take a picture of himself, take a picture of himself. You would think he was taking a picture of himself with a burning American flag the way some of you type.

[winstonsmith]

*step*

Ok, I'm off my high horse.


You know, I kinda have to talk it back and agree with Rojo. What I saw was a man pointing a loaded gun wiht his finger on the trigger at a camera, with someone possibly behind it.

I guess he could have been using mirrors, and yadda yadda.

[Feanaro]

If he did it safely I don't see a problem. Except that he looks tacky. ;)

[morganm01]

Check out his "Matrix" shot...
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291039293

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291039293

one more winner:

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4290503169 :what:

You gotta sign ni to see the whole album. These guys obviously DID NOT use remote control to take the picture

[gudel]

the guy in this picture is quite young so i think the people who complain about this picture are just too old and do not understand the coolness factor. (old geezer you).
:neener:

[winstonsmith]

Good point gudel.. except I'm the one who started the thread and I'm 14!

:neener: :neener: :neener:

[TearsOfRage]

What do you all think of this image?

http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/_protects.jpg

I guess some people are more innocent til proven guilty than others.

[winstonsmith]

Hey, I trust Oleg to take safer pictures than some punk with a glock. Plus, you can't see a round chambered in that gun.

[boing]

Why is he "a punk with a Glock"?

:scrutiny:

[winstonsmith]

Because that's what I decided to call him.

[El Rojo]

And Winston that is why you are still 14. Someday you will learn not to judge a book by its cover. Just because someone wears his hat backwards and has a Glock does not make him a punk. If we are going to jump to conclusions and base our comments on generalizations, I would say you are nothing more than a stupid little kid that doesn't know squat about anything. A video game wannabe that wandered onto this website of adults and is acting older than he is capable. Of course that would be insulting to you, it would be baseless, and it would be in poor taste. However, due to your reasoning, "Because that's what I decided to call him" it would be valid.

Relax. Don't be so uptight about some guy who took a picture with his Glock. This is the United States. Tomorrow is Memorial Day. People died for that guy's right to take a picture of himself with is hat backwards looking all "hard" for the camera. I don't have to like that photograph. It isn't my style. However, there is no point in me calling him a "punk" because I don't agree with it.

I am more of the dress up type myself.

[mdsteele]

Ya'll are just too funny!:neener:

PS. What is the Postal Match?

[Coronach]

Tears:

What do you all think of this image?

...

I guess some people are more innocent til proven guilty than others.

1. I plainly stated that it was perfectly possible that he was using a dummy round, a camera on a timer, and a proper backstop. I just somehow doubt that he is. What do you think he's using?

2. I can't see a round in the chamber of Oleg's handgun, and I'm willing to bet a fair amount of money that if the lighting were different you still would not see one.

3. There is also the artistic purpose of both pictures. One is a masterpiece of RKBA literature, and the other is probably done to make the poser look like a playah. One is impressive, the other is not.

Does this mean I'm biased? Sure. I respect people who exercise their rights in a mature, responsible manner. I don't have much respect for people who front for their homies and make all of us look like idjits and thugs.

Mike

[Tamara]

Yeah, wait 'til he blows his buddy with the camera away and Drizzt posts a link to the newspaper article.

Then we can all laugh at what an idiot he is.

Until then, the Four Rules are just for old farts.

Word.

[Teufelhunden]

Something about that pic looks photoshopped to me. Looking at it closely, something about how close the round looks to the muzzle is throwing it off for me. I also don't see any lands & grooves--I know Glocks have polygonal rifling, but shouldn't we still be able to see something cut into the barrel?

Not that ever taking a picture down the muzzle of a gun is advisable, but I don't believe there was a round in the chamber.

Then again, this world is populated with a variety of incredibly irresonsible people who exercise the same rights we do--he could just be that dumb.

-Teuf

[winstonsmith]

Rojo:
They also died for my right to be a judgemental a-hole.

And whatever happened to attack the argument not the indvidual?


I would say you are nothing more than a stupid little kid that doesn't know squat about anything. A video game wannabe that wandered onto this website of adults and is acting older than he is capable.


Do you realize how hurtful that sounds? It doesn't sound like an argument, it sounds like tirade and a dismissal.

Maybe you're right. You probably are to some degree. I do enjoy video games. Especially gunny ones. And maybe I'm just trying to find out some of the reality of firearms.

I was invited here by Mr. Volk. However, if other people agree with Rojo, I'll stop posting. I don't want to be annoying to anyone, so if you want me gone, I'm gone.

Just doesn't sound like the high road to me.

[gudel]

don't worry about those guys winstonsmith, you're alright.
i actually worked for a video game company, yeah we make first person shooter, so that's what i play all day. i kind of get over it now though. we had the sound engineers went to 29 palms to record the 50cal machine gun firing as well as the tank's engine sound. hey i even lent my voice as one of the bad guys :D

[Mizzoutiger]

Seems like most of these guys need to get more familiar with their weapons. I found numerous errors from people trying to sound like gun experts in only one thread. Perhaps I should try to lure them over here for more accurate info.

[Feanaro]

While it is a stereotype, that guy does bear a slight resemblance to a "thuggin' hommie pimp! ahhhh, be bad." :p

[Kevlarman]

I dunno, I've taken plenty of pics of my guns with the muzzle pointing in less than desirable directions. If you're safe, and keep the ammo in a seperate, locked container, it should be all good.

Really now, any time you handle a gun you're likely to violate one of Cooper's rules. Put the gun away in a drawer? Who know, the muzzle could be pointing at some kid's head on the opposite side of the wall. Dry firing at your TV?

Look at this one. The cartridge is not real. The bullet was put into a fired case, with no primer.

[Coronach]

Yes, Kevlarman. Thats the whole point of having Four Rules. If you violate any one of them, at most you have an embarassing inconvenience, not a tragedy.

Loading a gun, pointing it at something valuable, not paying attention to what is behind the target, and putting your finger on the trigger violates all four at once.

Most of the "good" photos we've seen on this thread are violating one, at most two, of the Four and the poster was doubtless VERY careful to make sure the other two or three were followed.

I will wager money that Mr. Playah is violating all four in that photo.

Am I prejudging him? Yup.

Mike

[AK103K]

Jezz, If the pic of a little ole bullet looking at you makes y'all so nervous, good thing its not one of something that reads "This Side Towards Enemy", huh? :eek:

Now, wheres my camera and that clacker??:scrutiny:

[Coronach]

It has nothing to do with being nervous. I'm safely ensconced behind a computer monitor, far away from Mr. Playah.

But it has everything to do with good gun safety, in the general sense.

And it has everything to do with giving antis ammo.

Mike

[AK103K]

I'm a firm believer in, and try to be a good practioner of, gun safety. I think for the most part, we all do. I think some of the responses are a little over the edge though, dont you? Everthing can be drug to the extreme and impossible. If someone wants to take a picture and risk blowing their camera apart, who cares. If someone is dumb enough to stand in front of a loaded gun with a finger on the trigger and take that picture, I dont care about that either, hey, it weeds out the gene pool.

I also really dont care what the anti's think at this point, they have their agenda, we know what it is, we know where we stand, and if you dont have all the guns you need, get them now. I'm tired of apologizing for my interests and hearing people making excuses for what we like to do. If a silly little pic like these is going to put it over the edge, well then, so be it. Maybe then, we all get to put our money where our mouths are, eh?:rolleyes:

[Coronach]

Antis manage to consistently win the public debate on gun control for a number of reasons. One of them is, of course, palpable media bias. But another one is that they have the seen that wooing the fence-sitters is in their best interest.

We take an in-your face, "screw you" mentality to the fence-sitters, and are consistently shocked when they do just that. We then continue to act surprised. This is, IMO, not terribly bright.

Photos like this and our collective inability to see the problem with the perception of them by fence-sitters is a (small) part of the overall problem.

Mike

[AK103K]

I'm not at all shocked by any of what goes on any more, in fact, I expect it to go bad for us. If I'm surprised, its because we might win one, for a change. At this point, the only way we will make any change, is to convince the kids of the next generation, as they are really our only chance. And the way thats going, its a loosing battle. I really dont see this continuing much past one or two more generations at this pace.

[El Rojo]

Winston, you read what you wanted to read in my post. Read it again word for word.If we are going to jump to conclusions and base our comments on generalizations, I would say you are nothing more than a stupid little kid that doesn't know squat about anything. A video game wannabe that wandered onto this website of adults and is acting older than he is capable. Of course that would be insulting to you, it would be baseless, and it would be in poor taste.I did attack your argument. I stated how stupid it would be for me to attack you based on perceptions. You agreed with me. So how does that make it any different when you call this guy a "punk with a Glock"?

I agree with AK103K. I doubt this picture is going to be the end all of the public debate on firearms. I doubt this picture would effect our cause at all. Go watch a movie! How many bad gun handling scenes do you see there? How many idiots get a hold of a gun in multi-million dollar films that are viewed by millions of Americans? And here a bunch of THRers are worried about some guy who took a "cool" picture of his Glock pointed at a camera? Again the only people in this world that are going to get upset about that picture are a handful of THR members.

And you know what, there is nothing we can do about it. I am letting this one die. Those of you who would like to see that guy disappear for setting the RKBA back 50 years and those of you who could care less about the picture are not going to change your minds.

[winstonsmith]

However, due to your reasoning, "Because that's what I decided to call him" it would be valid


Read what I wanted to, eh?

:scrutiny:

[Combat-wombat]

you can see a round chambered in that photo
Here's some more stupidity. Geeks with guns (http://www.geekswithguns.com/gallery/index.html)
Whole lotta punks, domestic terrorist looking people, and mall ninjas.
Also, here's one of our very own board members caught in the act! Look down to the bottom of the page! Carbon_15 (http://www.mallninja.com/carbon_15.htm)
I trust him to be safe, though. He's a good guy.

[TheOtherOne]

:D

Someone should start a "Post your bullets showing down the barrel thread". I'll happily get the camera out and contribute.

[spacemanspiff]

maybe this was a real action photo shoot, and the cameraman happened to be threatening the guy hes taking pictures of with a real weapon?


hey, it could happen! :neener:

[Coronach]

Again...It is perfectly possible to SAFELY take a picture of a gun.

It is perfectly possible to SAFELY take a picture of a gun in someone's hand.

It is perfectly possible to SAFELY take a picture of a gun in someone's hand, and pointed at the camera.

It is perfectly possible to SAFELY take a picture of a gun in someone's hand, pointed at the camera, with a round in the chamber.

It is even perfectly possible to SAFELY take a picture of a gun in someone's hand, pointed at the camera, with a round in the gun and with the poser's finger on the trigger.

It is called "using a dummy round."

What I am questioning is this:

1. Did he do that? I doubt it...but I freely admit that it is possible.

2. The reasoning for the photo. Taking and publishing photos of one's self, with a gun, (probably) violating safety rules for the basic purpose of looking 'menacing' is not exactly helping the RKBA movement. Rights, responsibilities. Hmmm...

Mike

[cordex]

I've done it before.
No one was behind the camera.
My finger was off the trigger.
The cartridge (a .45 hydra-shok) was real
The firing pin was not in the slide.
Wouldn't have done it even sans firing pin and with a dummy round if I had to have someone behind the camera. Just not something I'd be comfortable with.

I'm with Coronach, though. I doubt this particular individual followed reasonable safety procedures. But that's me making snap judgements based on a single photograph.

[12 Volt Man]

I wonder if this same guy has another photo of himself doing the famous "turn the gun sideways" gangsta glock grip.

[TheOtherOne]

What do you all think of this picture?
http://u.cc.utah.edu/~gmj06b50/Guns/2003-03-21-G27-Straight-On-Load-580.jpg
Not a dummy round (thus, death to anyone who looks at it!)

[Coronach]

If your gun can pull its own trigger, that would be pretty dangerous!

:rolleyes:

Mike

[WhoKnowsWho]

What if someone knocked it and it fell on a round and the round hit the trigger and it fires! Oh no, run!!!

[Ivanimal]

winstonsmith you remind me a lot of me, I also grew up in San Francisco, I remember rabbit hunting where Genentech is in South San Francisco, It is harder for your generation to get out into the wild and shoot responsibly I apologize for that we just have too many people. I now live in the East Bay and go to ranges and private land as much as possible, still there is a great lack of places to blast. I understand your statement about that person being a Punk but I ask you to not judge others so much as you learn from them. We are all responding to a picture that many will agree does warrant discussion. I personally wont be doing anything like that soon. There is still hope. I hope my son has the same passion for this sport as you do at your age, keep postin.

[ballistic gelatin]

This one makes me nervous.

[TheOtherOne]

This one makes me nervous.
:D :D

I guess I need to get out more but that's the funniest thing I've seen all day! :D

[Kevlarman]

Heh!

I'm a bit young to be using Viagra, though. :D