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favorite .22
December 9, 2006, 08:35 PM
i went today to the gun show with a buddy of mine.he was going to buy his first pistol today and he doesn't know much about guns. he was in search of a ruger pistol in 9mm p97 or something along those lines.so we saw bunch of them all over for about 350-400 used ,even some guys walking around selling them were asking about the same. we came upon this one table where the guy had a used one for 250+ tax in the box with two spare mags and a speed loader. i thought it was a good deal and told my buddy it was.i asked to handle the gun and the guy put this face. well my friend decided to buy it and the guy says are you sure the gun is for you and not for that guy(me)because he seems to want it more than you and blah-blah-blah. i then said hey if i wanted it i would buy it myself and walked away some. well my friend proceeded to buy it and all he had on him 200$ so he asked my other friend that was with us to borrow a hundred $ .thats when the guy really had a fit and denied my friend the sale. its a shame because i know my friend really wanted that gun and for the price you couldn't beat it. if i was going to buy a car and didn't know anything about cars i would want to bring a friend along that knew atleast a little. what did i do to make this guy act this way? i did look at the gun more in depth than my friend did. i was just trying check it out for my buddy. maybe he thought since i am of hispanic decent that i was illegal and my friend was buyng it for me . like i said what did i do wrong?

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Cliff47
December 9, 2006, 08:55 PM
Sorry to say, but at some open gun shows, there tends to be some not-so-subdued profiling going on among the private sellers. The individual selling your buddie's Ruger may have been the source in a straw purchase previously, and did not want to repeat the occurance. Can't say that I blame him.

I went to a gun show today, and just could not get away from a couple of fellows that were bound and determined to touch, heft and fondle each and every firearm in the show. I felt like these characters were using me to point out which items I would purchase. Finally lost track of them at a dealer's table when a CZ75B in a deep blued (not polycoat) finish had me mesmerized for a few minutes (sorry, they have that effect on me). A little later, I had a J.P.Sauer & Sohn SAA in .357 Magnum (six-inch barrel, and a bit of holster wear) follow me home (happens all too often, lately) for $250.

But I digress.

mio
December 9, 2006, 09:05 PM
as much as the situation sucked for you i cant blame the guy for not selling the gun if he had questions about who it was for even if they were unwarrented. all he was doing was watching out for himself and we all do it at times

1911austin
December 9, 2006, 09:14 PM
I don’t think there is any reason to believe his actions had anything to do with your being Hispanic. When your friend borrowed a hundred bucks from you, in front of the dealer, he was afraid that there “might” be a straw purchase about to happen. It is not worth it to him to lose his FFL over one sale.

I am sure that you and your friend had absolutely nothing dishonest or illegal in mind. The dealer just did not want to take a chance.

rellascout
December 9, 2006, 09:21 PM
The dealer acted properly to protect the integrity of the sale. Buying a gun with someone else's money is a no no. When the friend gave cash to the other friend to purchase the pistol in front of the seller the deal was dead.

I would not have completed the transaction.

In the future make sure your friend has his own money in hand.

Shawnee
December 9, 2006, 09:35 PM
Hi Favorite 22...


Even though you and your pals were just being normal shoppers checking the guns out and, in almost any other type of purchase the "on the spot" loan wouldn't bother anyone - the fact that it involved firearms changes all the rules. The sellers have the government hanging over them like a big, mad bucket of Napalm and the result is the decent citizen like you or me or anyone else ends up getting treated like a criminal.
I was at a gun show about two years ago with a lady who wanted to buy a pistol and wanted me along for aid. She was uncomfortable carrying her $300 or $400 in cash so before we walked in she gave it to me to carry. We found a gun for her and when she turned to me for the money the dealer turned white as a sheet and, even when we explained I had just been carrying her mone, he refused to sell it to her. :banghead:

Shootcraps
December 9, 2006, 09:58 PM
Your friend needs to have everything ready BEFORE he tells the man he wants to buy a particular gun. That will avoid a lot of inconvenience. :scrutiny:

You need to capitalize the first word of every sentence, put two spaces after every period, and capitalize the word "I" so we don't get a headache from trying to read your post. :D

conan
December 9, 2006, 10:30 PM
The dealer acted properly to protect the integrity of the sale. Buying a gun with someone else's money is a no no. When the friend gave cash to the other friend to purchase the pistol in front of the seller the deal was dead.

Amen!
That is the bottom line. Now you have learned a firearms rule favorite .22, it's called a straw sell, and cannot be made. They think that he was buying the gun for you, or rather the ATF would. He cannot risk his firearm license for anyone.

favorite .22
December 9, 2006, 11:47 PM
i appreciate the feed back gentlemen. you guys are right. i just feel bad that my friend missed out on a deal. i can see were the dealer was suspicious. imagine what that white man (dealer) must of thought when he saw a black man, an asian man (6 foot+) and a hispanic hanging out. poor him. he was the victom --- wah--wah---wah! by the way did i mention i have purchased from him before.thats the last of my business he'll get.

Old Fuff
December 10, 2006, 12:39 AM
Fav.22:

I understand why you are ticked off, but these days are not happy ones for gun dealers. On one hand the BATF&E is trying to set up sting operations to trick dealers into making "straw buyer" sales so that they can earn brownie points. The plan is to discredit gun shows so that they can be closed down.

On the other hand we have folks like New York City Mayor Bloomberg sending out private detectives to make simulated straw buyer buys so that they can bring a civil suit against the dealers to make points with the anti-gun news media, and put as many dealers out of business as they can. All the dealer was trying to do was make sure he wasn't the one who ended up in handcuffs.

In the future by all means go around together and look at guns. But if someone decides to buy one, send him back alone with enough money to complete the deal. He can return any left-over money later.

Of course this isn't right, but it is the way it is. You guys need to wise up... :cool:

Mark54g
December 10, 2006, 01:01 AM
I don't see race being made an issue by anybody but you, Fav. I think that perhaps while you understand something regarding the guns themselves, realize that this is a political landscape that gun owners and dealers are in. They might not have cared if you were a little white man in a walker with your neice handing over money.
This is not a car buying excersize. They could lose their license and their business if they are hit with fines or a removal of their license. Would you make that type of deal if you were faced with those consequences. Lets leave the race card at home.

favorite .22
December 10, 2006, 01:12 AM
oh i'm sorry i didn't mean to make that gun dealer a victom of a "hate crime". please everybody forgive and ignore me from now on. because i have seen the same scenario except that the participants where white and nothing came out of it. also excuse my "pulling the race card". i sometimes forget that just because i was born here, served here and paid my dues to this country doesn't mean that i am equal to a white man in georgia.

theCZ
December 10, 2006, 01:28 AM
In the future, it pays to be a bit more prepared when you go to a gun show. Was he expecting to pay with a credit card or did he really think he could find a good pistol for $200 with tax and everything? He could have walked around the corner and got the cash and then came back, with you gone. That would probably make the dealer feel a bit better.

hankdatank1362
December 10, 2006, 01:34 AM
Hell, I'll say it if no one else will.

There's a good chance it might have been because you were Hispanic. Also the guy was just covering his rear legally. Were your friends also hispanic, esp. the one who gave the purchaser the extra $100? How are you guys dressed? Like gangstas, or like average folk? I hate to say it, but everyone stereotypes. That's just one thing we all have to get used too. LIke everyone thinks because I'm white and wear glasses then that means I'm a nerd.



They're right, but it's still stereotyping.

daysleeprx
December 10, 2006, 01:38 AM
Doesn't the fact that you've bought from him in the past make him NOT a racist? If he really was, he wouldn't have sold you the previous gun you bought.

I'm gonna side with the "he wanted to avoid a straw purchase" situation here.

doubleg
December 10, 2006, 01:44 AM
If you intimidate the store owner/cashier they will do that. It doesn't matter what race or gender you are though, if you walk up in a calm relaxed mood with out showing any signs of aggitation they will work with you .

heypete
December 10, 2006, 04:23 AM
oh i'm sorry i didn't mean to make that gun dealer a victom of a "hate crime". please everybody forgive and ignore me from now on. because i have seen the same scenario except that the participants where white and nothing came out of it. also excuse my "pulling the race card". i sometimes forget that just because i was born here, served here and paid my dues to this country doesn't mean that i am equal to a white man in georgia.

Fav .22: That's not a terribly High Road-ish thing to say, if you don't mind me saying so.

I don't see anyone else in this thread mentioning anything to do with race having anything to do with your friend being denied a sale. The color of your skin is solely between yourself and your ancestors, and really has no business here.

As several others have mentioned, the loan of money from one individual to another is something that raises the suspicion of any gun dealer. If the zombie of John Moses Browning himself were standing in front of me and wanted to buy one of my guns, I'd terminate the sale if he borrowed money from a friend. That, and because he'd be all zombified and everything...I'm not sure what the laws are on the undead buying firearms. Normally firearms are used against zombies...hmm...

It sucks that your friend lost out on the sale, but that's just the dealer being prudent. The ATF and/or local police may very well be in attendance at the show (I know they're frequently at California gun shows, before I decided to leave the state), and may be observing sales or conducting stings. A few hundred bucks is not worth the loss of a dealer's license or the hassle of someone being arrested.

soul_rapier
December 10, 2006, 04:34 AM
Just get over it . why is it always something to do with someone race ?

XavierBreath
December 10, 2006, 07:10 AM
If you don't understand the rules, don't play the game.

Straw purchases can land a gun dealer in jail. If he believes for any reason you are making a straw purchase, then he must refuse the sale. Your skintone, race, religious beliefs and who your grand daddy was does not give you any special privileges. The dealer has a right and an obligation to refuse the sale if he believes the buyer may not be the person who will receive the gun. If you don't like it, go buy something else. If you want to buy a gun or help a buddy buy a gun, learn to play the game.

Calling the man a racist simply exposes the racism within yourself. You did not get what you want, so you started yelling racism. That is preposterous. It's kindergarden stuff. Grow up. Everything that happens to you does not happen to you because you are hispanic, my friend. Perhaps it happens because of the way you act. The world does not revolve around you, and the chances that the dealer remembers your face at all from his past buyers is very small unless you are Michael Jackson or Michael Moore. Do you really think you are that memorable?

I'll say it again.
If you don't understand the rules, don't play the game.

Use proper capitalization and sentence breaks so your posts can be read and understood. Feel free to go back and edit your posts to accomodate this request. I am not asking you to do this because you are hispanic, I am asking you to do this because it is too difficult to read your posts.

Clean97GTI
December 10, 2006, 07:14 AM
First, learn how to put a paragraph together. I can't tell when one thought ends and another begins.

Second, sorry your buddy got the shaft, but straw purchases are no joke. They can mean a whole lot of trouble for everyone involved. As much as I'd hate to turn away a customer, its not worth spending hours with the ATF or possible jail time because you allowed a sketchy sale.

better luck next time.
If a buddy wants a gun and needs to borrow cash, lend it to him before you walk in.

jlh26oo
December 10, 2006, 08:56 AM
oh i'm sorry i didn't mean to make that gun dealer a victom of a "hate crime". please everybody forgive and ignore me from now on. because i have seen the same scenario except that the participants where white and nothing came out of it. also excuse my "pulling the race card". i sometimes forget that just because i was born here, served here and paid my dues to this country doesn't mean that i am equal to a white man in georgia.

Wow I actually kind of felt for your situation until that one. Glad it went how it did now.

1911austin
December 10, 2006, 09:40 AM
oh i'm sorry i didn't mean to make that gun dealer a victom of a "hate crime". please everybody forgive and ignore me from now on. because i have seen the same scenario except that the participants where white and nothing came out of it. also excuse my "pulling the race card". i sometimes forget that just because i was born here, served here and paid my dues to this country doesn't mean that i am equal to a white man in georgia.



I am sure that there is an internet forum for this kind of crap. Please find it and save The High Road for appropriate materials.

schmeky
December 10, 2006, 10:04 AM
XavierBreath,

Extremely well stated. I agree 100%.

skynyrd1911
December 10, 2006, 10:59 AM
In my opinion, your friend should have told the dealer that he need to think about it and walk to another part of the building and borrow the money, THEN return to the table and make the purchase. Simple...:cool:

favorite .22
December 10, 2006, 11:54 AM
he had the 200$ and a credit card the guy did'nt want to take his credit card . well hanka dank, no we weren't dressed like "ganstas" as you put it.
also my buddy is black,and my other buddy is asian. how did we intimidate this a-hole? that guy is just like you i guess he saw a hispanic and thought "illegal mexican gang member". i guess almost getting blown up for your country in some foreign land isn't good enough for that guy. to prove that i am an american. i'm not even mexican. i am of cuban decent. most of important i'm an american! more american than some white people that have been here for generations!

ravencon
December 10, 2006, 11:55 AM
Troll Alert!

Go through Favorite .22's posts carefully and you'll see what I mean. Especially look at his now locked thread about setting up a booby trap in his house.

Don't feed the troll.

favorite .22
December 10, 2006, 11:58 AM
p.s. for all the haters get used being the minority.

favorite .22
December 10, 2006, 12:11 PM
ok now that i have been named a troll i will crawl under the house. thanks to all the people that tried to help me . thanks to all the rascist biggots that suscribed to this thread. i feel alittle better now . just remember that "black guy" you may see on the street when you walk by and you "tactically" grip your ccw, or that hispanic you see and you think "illegal" will one day be the soldier that fights for your freedom, your boss, or your son in law.:neener:

XavierBreath
December 10, 2006, 12:23 PM
Racism, bigotry and name calling will not be tolerated on this forum.
I do not give a damn what color your skin is, or who you worship.
You missed your chance to edit.

Period.

Goodbye.

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