.45 ACP brass from .30-06, .308 et al


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Sylvan-Forge
December 10, 2006, 11:31 PM
Any advice?

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1911user
December 10, 2006, 11:44 PM
sell the rifle brass, buy 45 pistol brass and pocket the savings. I suspect that if you did cut down rifle brass, that you would have to ream the case interior to seat bullets normally. Annealing of the neck might also be required.

The Bushmaster
December 10, 2006, 11:51 PM
What a bad idea let alone a waste. Tell ya what. You send me the once fired .30-06 cases and I'll send you two .45 ACP once fired cases back for each .30-06 case.

Sylvan-Forge
December 10, 2006, 11:55 PM
This is for educational purposes only, I don't intend to waste any brass.

You know, SHTF and all that.

Sylvan-Forge
December 11, 2006, 12:25 AM
Here are some sites I found on the subject:

http://www.gunownersalliance.com/Rabbi_0159.htm
http://www.gunownersalliance.com/Rabbi_0049.htm
http://theindependentamerican.freeyellow.com/survivalreloading.html

R.W.Dale
December 11, 2006, 12:32 AM
You know, SHTF and all that.

In that case I'd leave the 45 at home and focus on keeping the 06 running for as long as possible.

Sylvan-Forge
December 11, 2006, 01:03 AM
I suspect that if you did cut down rifle brass, that you would have to ream the case interior to seat bullets normally. Annealing of the neck might also be required.

This is what I was thinking as well ..

Anyone ever do this? How did it fare?

suemarkp
December 11, 2006, 01:27 AM
Its a major pain in the butt. I make shotshells for 45 ACP, and you're supposed to use 308 win as the parent case. I actually chose to use 270 win, as it is the same a 30-06. The only difference is that the 270, 280, 30-06 family has a thinner rim than the 308 does. The extractor groove on 45 ACP doesn't match either case exactly, but it worked OK.

The shotshell cases I loaded from 270 Win cases were for 45 ACP and 45 Win Mag. The 45 ACP ones worked OK, but I had case splits (in the side, not the mouth) in 4 cases out of 25 for the 45 Win Mag shotshells. The 45 ACP shotshells were better when I used a 45 Win Mag case and reformed it instead of the rifle case, plus they have a little more volume.

To load a bullet type load, you would most likely have to anneal and definitely ream. Cutting a 45 Win Mag down to 45 ACP would be a much easier job. If you want to prepare for SHTF, stockpile the 45 ACP brass you want, as it doesn't go bad.

JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone
December 11, 2006, 01:52 AM
Quote:
You know, SHTF and all that.


Just stockpile .45acp, and stockpile 30-06. If they get in that close that you're using the 1911 to hold the fort, well, you might not have long to worry about whether you can hold the fort or not. Think about an M14 or Mini30 for holding the fort down.

-Steve

BEARMAN
December 11, 2006, 04:00 AM
There is a gunsmith in Prince George , B.C. Canada that machines .308 or 7.62x51 brass to .45 acp dimensions reams them then loads them to very high speeds, for those who carry in the woods for bear protection . He calls it the .45-08 ARMCO. Go to his website www.armco-guns.com goto "Whats new at ARMCO" then read about it at the bottom.

NateG
December 11, 2006, 04:40 AM
Well, the Villiage Voice found a gun to do just what you're looking for...

A belt-fed 7.62 NATO full-auto handgun that trims the brass to .45ACP :rolleyes:

http://www.saysuncle.com/archives/2006/12/08/where_do_i_get_one-2/

ClarkEMyers
December 11, 2006, 12:17 PM
It's not hard - I outside turn rather than inside ream because I'm setup for outside turning. For all I know this produces a weaker case with a stress riser at the edge.

Long term I'd ask 1911 Tuner or somebody who knows which has the better case head including rim thickness and especially extractor groove to suit the 1911 - assuming use in a 1911 rather than a revolver maybe with a moon clip. I suspect that at least for the .30-'06 family there has been a lot of variation over the years so it's maybe a moot point - better to ask does the case in hand work or does the 1911 extractor hit the front of the groove or what have you.

Given a Mauser style extractor - e.g. Springfield/1917 - to hold the .45 automatic case head against the bolt face people have fired the .45 ammunition in a bolt rifle chambered in .30-'06 - NOT RECOMMENDED - but fairly common at one time on a try anything once basis. Reports are it gives a copper pointed lead base bullet after impact extrusion with FMJ military ball.

highlander 5
December 11, 2006, 02:38 PM
seems to me a lot of work and for what? 45 acp brass is plentiful and cheap,why go thru all the hassle?

Sylvan-Forge
December 11, 2006, 08:10 PM
krochus and JackOFAllTrades, I can appreciate the rifle as primary. See below for my intended application.

Shotshells sound like fun .. thanks for the input suemarkp.

BEARMAN, thanks for that link, that should prove most helpful .. I'll see what info I can gather from them and order some brass for examination.

NateG, I tried that link, but no avail .. A belt-fed 7.62 NATO full-auto handgun that trims the brass to .45ACP I'll look around, I've got to see this, lol.

ClarkEMyers, I'll have to see how the hk extractor mates with the variety of extractor grooves within the 30-06 cartridge family. Hopefully it will suffice across the board without having to turn/machine any of the brass.
Re: .45 in .30 bolt-gun: :eek:

highlander 5, like I said, its mainly for educational purposes, but the general SHTF application I have in mind is simply this:

A less is more doctrine .. whether bugged out or bugged in ..

Cannibalize old and worn rifle brass for use in the sidearm.
My carbine idea uses the same approach. All brass in the 30-06 cartridge family (.473 head diameter) is a capable donor.
I can scavange, trade, accept hand-me-downs, whatever, to keep in brass supply and yet, not have to worry so much about the condition of the brass because I'll be utilizing it in the carbine and side-arm at lower pressures and a trimmed down format.

robertbank
December 13, 2006, 12:18 PM
The .45-08 cartridge works quite well in my Norincos. 1350 fps using 200 gr LSWC is a rush. all you need is a 20#+ recoil spring. Cartridge is my backup protection again bears up here.

Take Care


bob

Vitamin G
December 13, 2006, 12:21 PM
Holy crap... its like .45super-magnum


:evil: :D

grendelbane
December 15, 2006, 10:20 PM
I used to whittle on .308 cases to make .41 Avenger cases. Lots of work, and then it all flies into the weeds!:cuss:

Today, I would simply use .45 Super or .45 Rowland cases.

I have more fun out of my 10mm anyway.

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