Beretta 92G Elite II Report (long, with lotsa pics)


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Skunkabilly
May 25, 2003, 12:57 AM
I get a few e-mails every other month or so from folks asking me what the difference is between a Beretta 92FS and my 92G Elite II, so hopefully this will help someone out.

This is my competition pistol, a Beretta 92G Elite II. The G denotes a decock-only whereas the 92FS actually has a safety. Pull trigger, go bang. Beretta only sells the Elite series of pistols--Elite, Elite II, Elite IA and the upcoming G-SD, with the decock-only to civilians. 92G standard models are available through law enforcement dealers. They can be had for mere mortals that are willing to jump through some hoops. From what I remember, the G is derived from gendarme as this action type was requested by the French popo. As a disclaimer, a lot of stuff here is off memory, recounted from e-mails, bulletin board posts and phone conversations. There's a good chance I could be wrong here, so drop me a line and let me know if I am mistaken.

My Elite II ended up being a prototype model, which I purchased from someone who was an ex-Beretta employee. Several features on the pistol were different from ones you would find from your dealer--all the tweaks made for the production model are all improvements.

At first I was going to write an article in prose form describing all the features, but there are several articles featuring the Elite II in gun magazines. Here are the Elite II features in list form, with a little description to follow:

Stainless steel Brigadier slide and barrel. The slide, barrel (and grip screws) are a matte stainless which gives the Elite II a unique (to the Beretta kingdom, at least) two-tone appearance. The Brigadier slide is heavier and has a dovetailed front sight cut.

Decock-only safety.

Plain black Novak rear sight. I think the production models have plain black serrated front sights, but I'm not sure.
Skeletonized hammer. The hammer on the Elite II is a tad different from the Elite. I think it's heavier, to guarantee good primer strikes, but I can't be sure. Mine came with an Elite hammer.

Extended magazine release. Be aware that there are several versions of the extended mag release. Mine was a flat piece of something with a glued-on nub. I banged the nub off and lost it somewhere at an IPSC match. The current one is a solid piece, which I have never had any problems with.

D mainspring. The 92Ds, which are double-action-only, have lighter double-action trigger pulls than other Berettas, bringing it down a few pounds. On a side note, the D spring can be purchased for a buck or two as a part and tossed into a 92FS for a poor man's trigger jog.

Front cocking serrations. Handy for press-checks, but sometimes tricky when the barrel gets a little hot.
Target crowned barrel. The barrel has a recessed crown. Supposedly this increases accuracy by doing something to the expanding gasses following the bullet, but really, it just makes it harder to keep clean. An off-the-shelf 92FS is more accurate than I am, so really can't tell.

Flush lanyard loop cap. I don't know the proper nomenclature for this part, but there's no lanyard loop on the Elite II.

Rubber magazine baseplates. A little big and chunky if concealment is your thing, but they are nice and durable for folks who drop sometimes mostly-full magazines on the ground more than several times a month at matches.

I sent my Elite II off to Ernest Langdon, who's probably the most finest Beretta gunsmith God ever blessed humanity with. I can't say enough good stuff about him as a gunsmith and an all-around nice guy to do business with. Here's a list of work I had done on my Elite II.

Competition trigger job with stainless Speedbump Trigger. The speedbump is just a little nub on his trigger that improves the trigger reset a bit. The double action is slicker than deer snot on a doorknob, and while I prefer single action, I still shoot the Elite II better than my 1911s and USPs (all of which are going or gone). The stainless trigger adds to the nifty two-tone goodness. Ernest doesn't recommend the competition trigger for duty or carry, as light strikes may occur, but I've had 7000+ rounds through the pistol at the time of this writing and never had a single problem.

Trijicon front night sight and black Novak rear. I wanted night sights on my pistol for added tacticality, but he recommended a Trijicon front but a plain black Novak rear. I had a different rear sight installed for my preferred sight picture. Berettas are set up to 'drive the dots', in other words, hold the front sight over the bullseye. I preferred the traditional sight picture since I figure I can drive the dots for close-quarters hosing but the precision is there when I need it.

Stainless steel guide rod. What can I say, it's pretty. All your two-tone are belong to Skunk. It's supposed to be heavier to reduce felt recoil, but I really can't tell the difference.
Various Elite II upgrades. Since I had a prototype gun, I had older set of grip screws, hammer and magazine release and had Ernest swap out the parts for me.

As I mentioned earlier, Elite II is my everything competition gun. I'm not sure what IDPA division a Langdonized Elite II is under, probably ESP? I e-mailed the head IPSC equipment lawyer on whether Ernest's modifications would still put me in the Production division, and they were, but Ernest e-mailed me asking me if I still had those e-mails as IPSC wanted to make the parts illegal for Production. I still have the e-mails on hand if you want to play lawyer at your club. At the time I wrote the guy, my stainless steel guide rod and Speedbump Trigger were Production-legal, but my carbon fiber grips aren't. Go figure.

http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/e2_action.jpg
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/e2_barrel.jpg
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/e2_butt.jpg
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/e2_crown.jpg
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/e2_grip.jpg
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/e2_cf.jpg

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Psssniper
May 25, 2003, 02:26 AM
Well thats a lotta words Skunk, but I can sum it up for y'all

this thing SHOOTS and it shoots well,
thanks for letting me crank off a few rounds

cratz2
May 25, 2003, 03:27 AM
Are those glasses carbon fiber trimmed? :p

Skunkabilly
May 25, 2003, 03:45 AM
Are those glasses carbon fiber trimmed?

Is the Pope Polish?
Do little skunkies poop in the woods?
C'mon..it's me.... :D

You don't know how hard I looked for those glasses!

tlhelmer
May 25, 2003, 08:19 AM
Great Job Skunk.

I have a 92-G that is my old Dept. issued gun. Its not as nice looking as your elite.

What kind of watch is that in the picture?

George Hill
May 25, 2003, 03:23 PM
Skunk... you have to admit that your gun is no longer standard but Custom.
When you have Ernest Freaking Langdon bless your gun with his Spells of Ruin... it is no longer a standard Beretta anything.
And let's not even talk about the Carbon Fiber Factor... or "CFF". With such a high CFF factor... of course it's a Custom!
:p

coltjeeper
May 25, 2003, 03:57 PM
Hey Skunk,

I used to have a set of CarbonCreations grips for a 1911 several years ago. I went to their website yesterday and they don't show their grips for the Beretta anymore like they used to. Do you have to ask them about them or did they stop making them?

cool45auto
May 25, 2003, 04:21 PM
A good report and more excellent pics of Nina. What's not to like?

:cool:

MJRW
May 25, 2003, 04:30 PM
Skunk,

All of your stuff seems to have a carbon fiber infestation. I don't know if there's a real cure, but I am hearing great things about revolvers making all that carbon fiber seem soooooo 5 minutes ago.

BTW, nice hardware.

edit:

Just noticed cool9mms sig line. 2500 rounds through the 92? Slow weekend?

cool45auto
May 25, 2003, 04:37 PM
:neener: :D

Kharn
May 25, 2003, 04:42 PM
Skunk:
I had an internship in a materials engineering lab a few summers ago. All I can say is: Just wait till you get a fiber splinter, they hurt like hell and digging with tweezers will break the fiber into even smaller pieces, causing even more pain (as its the ends of the fibers that hurt, not the middle). I had to lay-out and cure more than a few composite panels, and we wore lab coats and double gloves whenever we handled the pre-preg material (resin and fibers on rolls waiting to be layered into panels and cured) or the finished panels.

One big splinter will cure your carbon-fiber obsession quite quickly.

Kharn

gudel
May 25, 2003, 05:08 PM
do you even shoot your gun, or is it just for looks?

Skunkabilly
May 25, 2003, 05:20 PM
tlhelmer:
>> What kind of watch is that in the picture?

Victorinox Chrono Racer with what they call a Coramid strap. It's leather that looks like carbon fiber. I gotta find a belt like that.


George Hill:
>> And let's not even talk about the Carbon Fiber Factor... or "CFF". With such a high CFF factor... of course it's a Custom!

You mean carbonfibrousity?


coltjeeper
>> Do you have to ask them about them or did they stop making them?

I asked about them. He doesn't list them on his website.


cool9mm
>> A good report and more excellent pics of Nina. What's not to like?

Welll...the finish is only so-so. The ELITE II laser engraving came with vertical streaks on it, and the trigger bar wears on the frame, and the slide release wears on the lettering on the slide. Only really cosmetic problems.

The corners on the Novaks are slightly dinged, they seem kind of soft.


Kharn
>> I had an internship in a materials engineering lab a few summers ago. All I can say is: Just wait till you get a fiber splinter, they hurt like hell and digging with tweezers will break the fiber into even smaller pieces, causing even more pain (as its the ends of the fibers that hurt, not the middle).

Kharn, is it possible to have the stuff implanted just below the skin, kind of like a tattoo but in carbon fiber?


gudel
>> do you even shoot your gun, or is it just for looks?

Yes, she's my workhorse, I have 7000-8000 rounds through her.

Kharn
May 25, 2003, 05:47 PM
Skunk:
My boss showed me numerous scars on his hands and wrists where he used an X-acto knife to remove areas of skin that had splinters because of the pain (splinters will hurt for the rest of your life or until your body rejects the splinter, but removing the skin only hurts for a week or two). You dont want them anywhere on your body, it basically feels like your skin is on fire and you cant stop scratching at it.

You might be more tactical with carbon fiber implants, but I doubt the scratching you would be doing would be very tactical, and how could you handle your M1A if you were always using one hand to scratch?

Kharn

Psssniper
May 25, 2003, 06:16 PM
gudel wrote "do you even shoot your gun, or is it just for looks?"

Ah Mr gudel, sarcasm IS the lowest form of humour is it not?

Yes Skunk shoots it and he shoots it very well indeed.
Skunk and I went to the range sat and he punched out the orange on a #11 no problemo. Just because a man keeps his weapons clean doesn't mean they don't get used.

Tap, Rack, CHANG !
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gudel
May 25, 2003, 06:20 PM
not sarcasm, just an honest question. if you can't take it...

tlhelmer
May 25, 2003, 06:49 PM
PssSniper went to the range with Skunk? How much did you have to pay for the honor?

Is he as tactical as he seems?

Soap
May 25, 2003, 07:33 PM
Kharn is right. Out of getting a very deep cut on my wrist that bled like crazy and getting a fiber splinter, I'll take getting my wrist sliced any day of the week. The fiber is insanely annoying and incessantly painful.

Skunkabilly
May 25, 2003, 08:06 PM
tlhelmer
>> PssSniper went to the range with Skunk? How much did you have to pay for the honor?

Actually I paid for most of it, for that 7.62 frangible jammo! Like someone said, buying ammo, esp frangible, at the range is like buying food from a movie theater. The Norchinko kept on choking on the stuff....PSSSniper's Kimber Custom I w/ CF grips was pretty fun. I think there's a correlation to how accurate the pistol is and the type of grips it's wearing....

Daniel Flory
>> Kharn is right. Out of getting a very deep cut on my wrist that bled like crazy and getting a fiber splinter, I'll take getting my wrist sliced any day of the week. The fiber is insanely annoying and incessantly painful

Daniel, what were you doing with a fiber splinter? Were you working with the stuff or did it come off something? That stuff sounds nasty, I'm going to load some carbon fiber flechettes for my Benelli...muahaha :evil:

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