Anyone a member of your State Guard?


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Sportcat
December 11, 2006, 11:38 AM
Just curious. I'm contemplating joining mine in South Carolina.

Any stories to tell?

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Devonai
December 11, 2006, 11:49 AM
I was in the Massachusetts State Guard from 2000 to 2005. I moved on to the New Hampshire National Guard.

If you have the support of your state's AG, life is good. If not, prepare to struggle in anonymity. Either way it is worth checking out.

I just hope that down your way the group hasn't been reduced to a bunch of overweight middle-aged men whose drill weekend consists of drinking beer and talking about the "old days." Massachusetts never got nearly that bad thanks to a small group of dedicated individuals, but we definitely got some recruits who expected that sort of thing and were angry to find out that we actually went out and did (gasp) training.

The MSG has a close relationship with the Massachusetts National Guard, so life is good. It wasn't always so. As far as I can tell such organizations can totter on the edge of life depending on which way the political wind is blowing. Look at New Hampshire! You'd think we'd have one of the most vibrant state guards in the country, but right now there is ZIP. Go figure.

Manedwolf
December 11, 2006, 11:51 AM
I think a lot more people would join the National Guard if they knew that it meant they could stay put and defend THEIR STATE. As it is, most people know it's simply a ticket over to the sandbox.

Phantom Warrior
December 11, 2006, 12:35 PM
Think very carefully about what Manedwolf just said. If you join the Guard you will almost certainly end up in Iraq. Esp if you pick an MOS like Infantry or MP or MI. There are LOTS of Guard troops down here. If you read the papers, you know those guys are getting deployed all the time. My TC said his old Guard unit hasn't been off active duty orders since 2001 (i.e. deployed or training the whole time).

You have to consider several issues. Can your life handle being interrupted for a year and a half at any time? If you are married or have young children or run your own business or are trying to go to school, those will all be affected. Can you handle going to war? Some people don't like the idea of killing people or fighting or don't think Iraq is a just war. Can you handle being somewhere that gets into the 130s in the summer and wearing full gear when you are out in sector (that's even hotter)? It gets a little warm here. Oh yeah, there is a small, but distinct, possibility that you will get blown into very small pieces.

Not trying to scare you off. But it helps to know what you are getting into. The Army isn't all bad. I've worked with a lot of neat people and gotten to see some interesting places. The benefits are helpful (*cough* G.I. Bill *cough*). But be sure you know what you are getting into and are ready for it.

ServiceSoon
December 11, 2006, 12:38 PM
Manedwolf I think a lot more people would join the National Guard if they knew that it meant they could stay put and defend THEIR STATE. As it is, most people know it's simply a ticket over to the sandbox.

You confuse me. Is it a chance to get exported to (insert hostile country name here) or is it a chance to defend YOUR STATE, thus staying where you are? I have been considering this option for the GI money. The cost of college is ridiculous.

Sportcat
December 11, 2006, 12:40 PM
Gus, guys, guys... I'm talking State Guard, NOT National Guard.

atk
December 11, 2006, 01:23 PM
For a little clarification, there are two kinds of guard, here.

First is the National Guard. This is a federal military organization, organized by state and federal law, subject to the orders of the Federal government.

Second is the State guard. This one is a State - not a federal military organization, allowed (or not) by state law. In some states (such as MA) you cannot simply be federalized when you are in the state guard, as protected (or not) under state constitution and state law. You are also not in federal service, so the only way to activate you would be through a draft.

shaggycat
December 11, 2006, 01:36 PM
What does the state guard do?

Sportcat
December 11, 2006, 01:42 PM
Here's information about the South Carolina State Guard:

www.scsg.org

Devonai
December 11, 2006, 02:22 PM
It looks like a good organization, Sportcat. I would definitely do it.

In the case of the Mass State Guard, shaggycat, the mission is to support the Mass National Guard in training and supplemental security. I have done everything from intense combat training to searching civilian vehicles at base gates to land nav and cold weather training. Actually, a lot of combat and cold weather training.

After the start of OIF, the MSG's mission shifted to mostly supplemental security and disaster preparedness, which while valuable to the state was not nearly as much fun as the Infantry stuff. So I joined a National Guard Infantry unit.

A state guard is an excellent chance to serve your state, get military training, and stay stateside. I accepted the fact that I would be deployed when I joined the National Guard, and I would be in the sandbox right now if it wasn't for a leg injury.

One of my best friends is still in the MSG, and according to him they are still doing supplemental security and disaster preparedness, and will hopefully resume combat support training soon.

One thing to keep in mind is that if you do decide to switch to the federal service later on, nobody will care about your state guard training and it won't count for beans. Only what you learn and keep with you will be of any value, and believe me, your superiors will be surprised how quickly you seem to learn!

Sportcat
December 11, 2006, 02:28 PM
I have no intentions of going National (federal).

My wife won't let me.:D

tanksoldier
December 11, 2006, 03:08 PM
They are two different organizations. The National Guard is a reserve component of the Army. They are under state control but are trained by and 99% of their funding comes from the US Army. They can be and often are "federalized" which means they are called into active service by the federal govt and can be deployed just like any other unit in the US Army. Currently there are about 40,000 or so Guardsmen in Iraq... give or take. They also tend to do longer tours than Regular Army units due to the hassle of activating them, equipping them and training them up for the deployment. Currently Reserve and Guard units called to active duty can be kept on active duty for up to two years, with IIRC one six-month extension. Note that the whole two years usually isn't in the sandbox... there's usually a few months of predeployment training at the begining and a few months of demobilization and leave-taking at the end.

Some states have a Sate Guard which is an organization completely controlled by the State. They cannot be called to service by the federal government, and usually aren't even recognized by the federal government. Their organization is usually based on the right of states to form organized militias for self-defense. Texas has a fairly active state guard, though AFAIK they've only been called out twice. California's is called the State Military Reserve and also fairly active, though they aren't allowed to be armed. Often when a CA-NG technician reaches retirement age they are inducted into the SMR so they can keep their technician job. California also has a Naval Militia with naval and Marine components, but last I checked it was in limbo. As far as I can tell Virginia's state militia consists of only commissioned and warrant officers. Those who don't hold a current commission are often commissioned into the Virginia Militia when hired to teach at VMI. They may do other things, too but I just saw that in passing at the VMI website.

So to sum it up, the National Guard is a part of the US Army, state guards are not.

Two bits of California SMR/ National Guard trivia:

1. Tom Selleck is an honorary 1LT in the California SMR having been appointed such by the AG in 2002 at the NAGUS conference in Long Beach. Tom is a former member of the CAARNG. He attended OCS but dropped out to further his acting career.
2. Many have heard that Kris Kristoferson was "discovered" by flying a helicopter to Johnny Cash's house, landing on the lawn, and pitching Johnny a song. This is true. What is not well know is that Kris was a commissioned officer and helicopter pilot in the California National Guard at the time, and it was a CAARNG helicopter that he flew to Johnny's house... he was in the middle of a training flight.
3. In the movie "We were Soldiers" most of the combat and field fottage was shot at Camp Parks, a CAARNG facility in the central valley of California. The extras, about 600 of them, are CAARNG soldiers... mostly from 1st Bn 184th Infantry Regt (Air Assault). Sam Elliot, who played CSM Basil L. Plumely, is a formed member of teh California Guard, having served with the 163rd Airlift Wing.

Devonai
December 11, 2006, 03:17 PM
California's is called the State Military Reserve and also fairly active, though they aren't allowed to be armed.

Not usually or never?

Massachusetts State Guard soldiers are not armed while performing guard duty (they serve along side armed National Guardsmen), but there is a mechanism in place to get them armed if it is deemed necessary.

tanksoldier
December 11, 2006, 03:40 PM
Not usually. There is a marksmanship unit that is allowed to use weapons... they also assist with marksmanship training for CAARNG units.

The rest have to have a specific order from the govenor or AG.

Not usually or never?

isp2605
December 11, 2006, 03:42 PM
The National Guard is a reserve component of the Army. They are under state control but are trained by and 99% of their funding comes from the US Army.
(snip)
So to sum it up, the National Guard is a part of the US Army
Don't forget the Air National Guard and USAF Reserves. They are a component of the USAF, not Army. Not as many Air Guard/Reserves units as Army Guard but there are quite a few out there. They're being deployed as well and are in the thick of it. In fact, one of my guys received the Bronze Star with V for actions in Afghanistan. Several were out in the field with Army units looking for bad guys. From 2001 thru 2003 my former Security Forces guys had been deployed to 23 different countries. They came home, back out, back home, and are getting ready to go out again.
Air or Army, Guard or Reserve, expect to spend time in either Iraq, Afghanistan, or somewhere else.
These "state guard" units appear to be akin to Civil Air Patrol units.

Jacobus Rex
December 11, 2006, 03:47 PM
I used to be in the Texas State Guard (http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/). I enjoyed it. State Guards are real military organizations but generally aren't run or funded very well and aren't very "military" in actual function. The physical standards, etc. are very low. Having said that, I'm glad that I did it.

MechAg94
December 11, 2006, 04:56 PM
I don't think I ever really knew about the Texas State Guard. I may have seen them, but never recognized it as different from the national guard.

Joe Demko
December 11, 2006, 05:25 PM
I'm in the process of applying to the PA state guard.

Glock9
December 11, 2006, 07:33 PM
I recently discovered and enlisted in the Texas State Guard.

Since 9-11 I've wanted to get back into the military but was too old. The TXSG gave me the ability to serve my country again.

Glock9

shaggycat
December 11, 2006, 08:03 PM
I found a Kentucky State Militia (my home state). Would that be simliar to the state guard or something entirely different?

http://www.kysm.org/bylaws.htm

enfield
December 11, 2006, 08:59 PM
I've considered joining the Tennessee State Guard, but decided I don't want to be an old MP in a baggy camo uniform. Besides, I've been around some of the 'officers' and they remind me of the pompous jerks I had to put up with in the Army Reserves -- I probably wouldn't last long. :D

Cosmoline
December 11, 2006, 09:24 PM
Only about half the states have these anymore, and many of those that still do have been phasing them out. I remember hearing that DHS wanted to have the states merge these into their oversight, but I don't know if that's been happening.

tanksoldier
December 11, 2006, 10:41 PM
Extremely unlikely. They aren't chartered by the federal government.

Some states may give them up, but I doubt states like Texas or Virginia will.

I remember hearing that DHS wanted to have the states merge these into their oversight, but I don't know if that's been happening.

SAG0282
December 11, 2006, 11:59 PM
I have contacted the WA State Guard (http://stateguard.washingtonguard.com/index.htm) several times with questions, both by leaving messages as instructed and through email. I got an email back once saying I'd be contacted but never was. :rolleyes:

mljdeckard
December 12, 2006, 12:22 AM
I have recently returned to the Utah National Guard, and I am proud to drill in the Armory that bears the name of John M. Browning.

A lot has changed now that we are at war. The educational benefits alone, by the time I am done with Law School at the University of Utah, will be worth over $100k. (Tuition waiver PLUS repayment, student loans paid off.)

I am learning Farsi and getting a serious security clearance.

Just remember, if you aren't prior service, you are learning this stuff from the ground up. Learn Murphy's Laws of Combat. They all apply. The military is a culture where we don't fear war, because getting shot at is better than DOD beurocracy. The Chaos of battle is easier to navigate than the chaos of DOD paperwork. Redundant, underfunded, etc. You must personally undertake ALL initiative to make sure anything gets done.

But hey, when I saw the new ACU uniforms that were pretty much designed SPECIFICALLY for Utah sagebrush, I HAD to get some. ;)

No_Brakes23
December 12, 2006, 12:44 AM
I contemplated joining the California NG, (After 8 years active duty in the Marine Corps,) but since the guard is being mis-used abroad to the detriment of its mission at home, I decided not to.

But the Guard still has plenty of oppurtunities, and I wouldn't dissuade a person from joining if they'd a mind to.

LordGibson
December 12, 2006, 10:03 AM
As Mandewolf suggested, I think a lot of folks would join up with the National Guard if it meant staying put in their own state (or region, at least). A state guard sounds like just the ticket.

I only wish NH had one. I'd sign up tomorrow.

ctdonath
December 12, 2006, 12:46 PM
Any word on the Georgia guard? I hear it's little more than "MP in camo" duty.

As observed prior, I'd like to do my part for "well regulated" (equipped, trained & organized) but, for open-ended enrollment, draw the line at national boundaries.

If use of standard military hardware (starting with M16s) is not part of the plan, then they're not taking it seriously enough for me to take them seriously.

Devonai
December 12, 2006, 01:40 PM
I only wish NH had one. I'd sign up tomorrow.

As I said before, I find it very odd that NH doesn't have one.

I very casually looked into getting one up and running, but I didn't have much motivation because I was already in the Mass State Guard. From what I gathered it would be an uphill battle, to say the least.

Now that I'm in the New Hampshire National Guard, I've been looking into the possibility of getting the Massachusetts State Guard to provide OPFOR (enemy combatants) for us just like they did for the Mass National Guard's 181st Infantry back in 1999-2003. Our armory is only 55 minutes from Fort Devens (where we train all the time) so there is no reason the MSG couldn't show up.

However, the biggest problem with OPFOR involving a state guard is the issuance of rifles. It used to be no big deal: show up, sign out some A2s and a couple of SAWs, load up the blanks, and go cause trouble. Then somebody realized the problem of issuing federal property to state guardsmen and the whole thing got sticky. The most obvious answer, personally-owned firearms, has the problem of bringing them onto Fort Devens as well as some obvious liability issues. When I was in the MSG I pushed hard for training out at Leominster State Park and other state land in order to use personally-owned firearms, but to no avail.

That was too bad, because my M1 cycled blanks just as well as live rounds and is appreciably louder than 5.56mm blanks. :D

Norm357
December 12, 2006, 07:24 PM
Any word on the Georgia guard? I hear it's little more than "MP in camo" duty.

As observed prior, I'd like to do my part for "well regulated" (equipped, trained & organized) but, for open-ended enrollment, draw the line at national boundaries.

If use of standard military hardware (starting with M16s) is not part of the plan, then they're not taking it seriously enough for me to take them seriously.

I was in the GA State Defense Force for several years and was activated by the Gov twice. Once to recover bodies after a major flood in south GA uneathed many cemetaries and once for the Olympics where we did unarmed security paired with a National Guard member.

After the Olympics however, the Gov seemed to no longer take us seriously so I dropped out. I hear now that it is making a comeback so I might get back in.

Phantom Warrior
December 13, 2006, 02:12 AM
Ohhhhh, STATE Guard. Not State GUARD. My bad... :uhoh:

woofe
December 14, 2006, 10:22 PM
:banghead: :cuss: I joined in 1996 and struggled through nearly 10 years of boredom and empty promises of useful training. What real training my unit was able to get was done on the sly and at our expense. On those occasions that we were discovered to be doing anything related to real MP or infantry training, we were thoroughly chastised.

The typical drill weekend consisted of siting in class at the armory and learning the "basics". We almost never went to the field to actually explore the supposed skills we were "taught". Needless to say, whatever knowledge that was in the classroom vanished without a trace. Yes, we did occasionally go to Camp Maxey in Paris Tx., but we were never allow to train as a unit in the tactics that would be needed to keep us alive and useful in a crisis. For me the final straw came when the National Guard unit we shared the armory with was scheduled to go to the "sand box". They needed preparation training and were to go to Ft Hood. Their commander spoke to our commander and he agreed to allow us to assume the OPFOR roll. This was perfect for us as several in our unit were combat veterans. It was scrubbed by our command in Austin the night before we were to board the bus for Ft. Hood.

911 didn't change a thing except that a lot of folks showed up hoping to help out with the security of the State of Texas. Most of them were already gone by the time I took my discharge late last year. :barf:

Sportcat
April 20, 2007, 11:10 AM
Things are moving along and it looks like I will be joining the South Carolina State Guard soon.

One thing: where can I find LBE / TA-50 (Pistol Belt, Y Straps, 2 Canteens with covers / Water system, Canteen Cup / Butt Pack)?

ATW525
April 20, 2007, 11:29 AM
I only wish NH had one. I'd sign up tomorrow.

Strangely we have statutes governing one, despite the utter lack of one.

JWarren
April 20, 2007, 11:48 AM
I honestly did not know about the difference between State Guards and your state's National Guard units. I learned something today.


After seeing this thread, I did a little looking around and found that Mississippi does indeed have a state guard:

http://www.ngms.state.ms.us/stateguard/

http://groups.msn.com/MississippiStateGuard/_homepage.msnw?pgmarket=en-us

I had always assumed that I'd be involved in some type of local guard unit to help with disasters, ect. However, I am not in a position to go overseas. The MS State Guard may well fit the bill. I intend to learn more and decide.


Thanks for this valuable discussion.


John

JWarren
April 20, 2007, 12:11 PM
I found this site that may be of use to those of all states:



http://sgaus.org/


John

Hobie
April 20, 2007, 12:18 PM
Good, accurate post Tanksoldier.

I might have missed it but didn't see mentioned that a federal law permitted the states to establish the state guards as a supplement to the National Guard. One of the restrictions is that a state guard member can't have a active reserve or active duty committment. So, within limitations, those who can't or can no longer serve on active duty or in active reserve units can serve in the state guard.

Virginia does indeed have one of the best of the state guard systems and the state guard commander reports directly to the Commonwealth's Adjutant General. The state guard does things such as support public events for traffic control, support guard unit mobilization activities, and assist in state emergencies. Many members of the state guard have served in active and/or active reserve units.

Joe Demko
April 20, 2007, 12:29 PM
Update: After actually seeing what the PA state guard is and does, I declined membership.

JWarren
April 20, 2007, 12:56 PM
I actually just had a long conversation with a representative of the MS state guard. I liked what I heard, and they are sending me the information now.

I can see how this is a needed thing in states that have hurricane (and other natural disaster) threats.


John

Sportcat
September 1, 2007, 09:25 PM
I hate to resurrect an old thread, but this morning I was sworn in as a 1st Lieutenant in the South Carolina State Guard.

Here is the website for the South Carolina State Guard: www.scsg.org and here is the site for our Batallion: http://www.scsg4th.org/.

Spreadfire Arms
September 3, 2007, 02:02 AM
What does the state guard do?


from what i have seen from the TX State Guard, they are generally unarmed and assist in disaster relief. when alot of refugees left NOLA and sought refuge in Texas, many of them were working at shelters.

i have yet to see an armed TX State Guard member unless they are some sort of off-duty peace officer as well....then im not even sure they can carry under that auspice. who knows. their website isnt exactly helpful:

www.txsg.state.tx.us

one thing i have noticed, some of their personnel aren't in the greatest shape....so they probably couldn't really assume a combat role. ive also heard their rank/command structure is rather arbitrary, like, you don't always enter in as an E-1, depending on some criteria you can come in as a higher rank:

http://www.gotxsg.com/faq.php

Q. HOW WILL MY RANK BE DETERMINED?
Applicants will be evaluated and appointed or enlisted in accordance with Texas State Military Forces regulations to an appropriate rank based on prior military service, education, civilian occupation, and other factors. It also depends on the authorized job position (billet) the applicant will be filling within the unit. As an example, typically a recently separated member of the Texas National Guard or Army Reserve would enter the TXSG at the same grade as his/her Federal grade when separated. However, each applicant package is reviewed on an individual basis by an enlistment or appointment Board.


overall i have heard good things about it.

.45&TKD
September 3, 2007, 02:27 PM
Does Arizona have a State Guard?

It sounds like the perfect organization to help patrol the border, if we had a governor that was actually serious about the problem? I'd volunteer, if they actually did something.

Kind of like the Sheriff's "Posse" that Sheriff Joe Arpaio started in Maricopa County AZ.

308win
September 3, 2007, 03:38 PM
I inquired about Ohio's State Guard. Was told the unit in the Columbus area (don't know if there is another anywhere) meets at Rickenbacker once a month for training. If they aren't training they sometimes pull guard duty at Ohio based ANG bases. Didn't get into whether issued live rounds or not. May apply to join when we close our business. Also got the impression that the members were older in which case I am a lock.:(

.45&TKD
September 3, 2007, 04:50 PM
Just found this:

26-174. Arizona state guard; establishment; purpose; appropriations

A. If the national guard of Arizona or a major portion thereof is called into active federal service, or if the national guard or a major portion thereof is alerted for federal service, the governor may establish an armed force for the safety and protection of the lives and property of the citizens of the state which shall be known as the Arizona state guard.

B. The Arizona state guard shall insofar as practicable be governed by and subject to the laws of the state pertaining to the national guard. The governor shall issue or cause to be issued rules and regulations to govern administration and organization of the state guard.

C. Appropriations made to the national guard shall be deemed appropriated to both the national guard and the Arizona state guard, if and when the latter organization is established, and any funds which are unexpended from appropriations to the national guard may be used for establishment and maintenance of the Arizona state guard.
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/26/00174.htm&Title=26&DocType=ARS

So all it would take is a governer with some heuvos.

TEDDY
September 3, 2007, 08:15 PM
did you know that the national guard was started in 1903/6? when ww1 started they disbanded the guard as by law it could not leave the states.after ww1 it was reactivated and in 1930? was made a component of the army reserve.note the sign on the armorys.they used to say massacusetts national guard/south carolina national guard.now they say army national guard.only a few states have state guards because they dont want to pay for them.state guards are state militia.
me I want to see the draft again,because I believe the guard is being wore out and it would be good for the young to get the discipline instilled in them.
---:uhoh:---:confused:--:)--:)

Elm Creek Smith
September 4, 2007, 06:42 PM
Until this last July I was ineligible for membership in the unorganized militia or the state guards since I was still subject to recall by the US Army (age 55). Oklahoma has the enabling legislation but doesn't have an active state guard force.

http://www.lsb.state.ok.us/OKStatutes/CompleteTitles/os44.rtf

"44 41. Composition of Militia Classes.
The Militia of the State of Oklahoma shall consist of all able bodied citizens of the United States and all other able bodied persons who shall be or shall have declared their intentions to become citizens of the United States, who shall be more than seventeen (17) years of age and not more than seventy (70) years of age, and said militia shall be divided into three (3) classes: The National Guard, the Oklahoma State Guard, and the Unorganized Militia."

"44 241. Governor authorized to organize, maintain, etc. Uniform.
The Governor, pursuant to the authority granted the states by the Act of Congress of October 21, 1940, and under such regulations as the Secretary of Defense may prescribe for discipline in training, is hereby authorized to enlist, organize, maintain, equip and discipline such military forces other than the National Guard as he may deem necessary to defend the state. Such forces shall be uniformed and subject to Sections 1 through 117, 192 through 195.8, 208 through 235.2, and 2101 through 3113 of this title unless in conflict with such sections.
Laws 1941, p. 170, 1, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941; Laws 1985, c. 96, 3, eff. Nov. 1, 1985.

44 242. Designation Composition Distinct from National Guard Place of service.
Such military forces shall be designated as the 'Oklahoma State Guard' and shall be composed of officers commissioned or assigned, and such able bodied male citizens of the state as shall volunteer for service therein. They shall be additional to and distinct from the National Guard organized under existing law. They shall not be required to serve outside the boundaries of this state.
Laws 1941, p. 170, 2, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941.

44 243. Rules and regulations Arms and equipment Drill and instruction Similarity to National Guard Compensation and allowances.
The Governor is hereby authorized to prescribe rules and regulations governing the enlistment, organization, administration, equipment, discipline and discharge of the personnel of such military forces; to requisition from the Secretary of Defense such arms and equipment as may be in the possession of and can be spared by the Department of Defense and to extend thereto the facilities of state armories and their equipment and such other state premises and property as may be available for the purpose of drill and instruction. Insofar as applicable the procedure for the enlistment, organization, pay, maintenance, equipment and disciplining of such forces shall be in conformity with the law and the rules and regulations governing and pertaining to the National Guard; provided that the officers and enlisted men in the Oklahoma State Guard shall not receive any compensation or monetary allowances from the state except when called into active service by order of the Governor.
Laws 1941, p. 170, 3, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941; Laws 1985, c. 96, 4, eff. Nov. 1, 1985.

44 244. Calling into military service of United States not authorized No exemption from military service.
Nothing in this act shall be construed as authorizing such forces, or any part thereof to be called, ordered or in any manner drafted, as such into the military service of the United States, but no person shall by reason of his enlistment or commission in any such forces be exempted from military service under any law of the United States.
Laws 1941, p. 170, 4, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941.

44 245. Persons not to be commissioned or enlisted.
No person shall be commissioned or enlisted in such forces who is not a citizen of the United States or who has been expelled or dishonorably discharged from any military or naval organization of this state, or of another state, or of the United States.
Laws 1941, p. 170, 5, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941.

44 246. Oath of officers.
The oath to be taken by officers commissioned in such forces shall be substantially in the form prescribed for officers of the National Guard, substituting the words 'Oklahoma State Guard' where necessary.
Laws 1941, p. 171, 6, emerg. eff. June 4, 1941.

44 247. Term of enlistment Oath upon enlistment.
No person shall be enlisted for more than one (1) year, but such enlistment may be renewed. The oath to be taken upon enlistment in such forces shall be substantially in the form prescribed for enlisted men of the National Guard, substituting the words 'Oklahoma State Guard' where necessary."

Titan6
September 5, 2007, 07:31 AM
A little clarification to Tank Soldier's first post. Virginia has more than one state supported militia.

There is the Virginia State Militia that encompasses the VMI faculty and students and there is the Virginia Defense Force which works closely with the National Guard as a supplement.

The Virginia State Militia has a Command Sergeant Major. He is a full time enlisted member. The students of the corps serve also as part of the militia. They are one of the few state militias that have seen combat although it was during the Civil War at the Battle of New Market.

The Virginia Defense Force is quite active.

ceetee
September 5, 2007, 09:54 AM
The only time there was a Florida State Guard was during WWII, when some groups of civilians were assembled to form a sort of Home Guard to watch our shores, and assist in guarding military installations. It's interesting that since they were disbanded, there has never been any kind of movement to re-form a State Guard system. We've just relied on our state National Guard units, local police and fire departments, and groups like the Red Cross to perform emergency preparedness tasks and help the recovery processes.

I, for one, would be happy to volunteer for a State Guard, as long as I knew that it meant (as has been said) I'd be guarding my state, and my fellow countrymen, rather than being constantly deployed overseas.

cbsbyte
September 7, 2007, 09:27 AM
I did meet a few who said they where in Massachusetts State Guard. Lets put it this way they were not the cream of the crop. Personally I don't see how these people could be accepted into any organization that had any standards. The way they described the Guard it sounded more like an established drinking fraternity than a professional state militia. The Guard seemed to be more ceremonial than a group with actual duties. Maybe it was just these individuals but it left me with a negative image of the State Guard.

atk
September 7, 2007, 11:41 AM
cbsbyte,

I did meet a few who said they where in Massachusetts State Guard. Lets put it this way they were not the cream of the crop.

Maybe I'm taking your comments too generically, but the tone of your commentary reads like it's meant to imply badness about the whole of the MASG, rather than just the individuals you met. Please PM me with the names of the individuals against whom you make your accusations, along with your specific accusations against them.

Personally I don't see how these people could be accepted into any organization that had any standards.

Many of the MASG are former military (Army, Navy, and Marines), many of whom were active, overseas, at wartime. There are some who are active or retired police officers. Some are members of the Central Massachusetts Search and Rescue team (CMSRT). Some have gone on from being members of the MASG to doing Federal military service. One has gone from being a state police officer to border patrol.

Members obviously do meet standards, your opinion notwithstanding.

The way they described the Guard it sounded more like an established drinking fraternity than a professional state militia.

Then there must have been a severe miscommunication. In the three years that I have been a member of the MASG, there has never been any drinking while on duty. Individuals may choose to go drinking when off duty, just as anyone else, in the world, but the MASG is not a "drinking fraternity".

The Guard seemed to be more ceremonial than a group with actual duties.

The MASG has performed for the NGMA, as requested, and always performs to a high caliber. Prior to my entry, the MASG engaged in OPFOR exercises with the NGMA, on a routine basis (politics temporarily paused this activity). Since my joining, the MASG has:

- assisted the NGMA with guard duties, when drilling on base
- assisted the NGMA with SRPs and reverse SRPs
- assisted the New England area CERFP team with training
- learned basic functions of the New England area CERFP team
- NCOs have been trained at the regional training institute (RTI) at Camp Edwards - the local location where the NG trains both their NCOs and their officers.
- received weapons familiarization from the NGMA
- received basic search & rescue training from the CMSRT, and the MA state police

Our mission parameters fluctuate, depending upon the requirements of the NGMA. Our mission is to support the Massachusetts National Guard.




Maybe it was just these individuals but it left me with a negative image of the State Guard.

Again, please PM me with the names of the individuals. I want to get this straightened out ASAP.

atk
September 10, 2007, 01:23 PM
Bumping, trying to get reply from cbsbyte (since s/he does not accept PMs or emails)

Devonai
September 10, 2007, 02:24 PM
I hate to be redundant in a thread to which I've already replied, but atk is absolutely correct. I was a member of the Mass State Guard from 2000-2005 before moving on to the New Hampshire Army National Guard. The MSG is a professional organization, end of story.

atk
September 11, 2007, 04:34 PM
Bumping again, to try and keep this on the first page, and try and get cbsbyte's attention (will stop bumping at the end of the week, if attention isn't gained)

ctdonath
September 12, 2007, 08:10 AM
If you're trying to contact someone in particular, there is the "private message" function...

atk
September 12, 2007, 11:20 AM
ctdonath,

If you'll look back at my post #51:


Bumping, trying to get reply from cbsbyte (since s/he does not accept PMs or emails)

armoredman
September 12, 2007, 11:54 AM
AZ could have had a defense force, but Napalitano threw a bone to her demo backers, and vetoed it.

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/48leg/1r/bills/sb1132h.htm

Would have been nice, especially short deployments to the border...

amper
September 13, 2007, 01:25 AM
Here in New Jersey, we officially have the New Jersey Naval Militia Joint Command (comprises both the Naval Militia and State Guard), but it was ordered to stand down several years ago (sometime after 9/11, where the NJNMJC served admirably), in preparation for re-examination of the role of the militia and re-organization, but although the studies were completed, the re-org has not yet taken place.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that because the State Guard units are under the sole command of the state, they *cannot* be federalized and sent into action overseas.

Perhaps what the State Guards need, if they lack in professionalism, as some here seem to suggest, is for more people of high caliber to join. I think if more people even knew about the existence of State Guards, there would be a lot of people who are of a military nature that would be interested in protecting their homeland without worrying about getting caught up in international adventurism of a dubious nature.

atk
September 14, 2007, 10:26 AM
amper,

Sorry to hear about the NJNMJC not being reorganized.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that because the State Guard units are under the sole command of the state, they *cannot* be federalized and sent into action overseas.

I don't know about other states, for certain, but I would think it has to do with how the individual guard is organized, and the laws surrounding it. The MASG cannot lawfully be deployed outside of MA, so federalizing us would do no good (without a change to the state's constitution (iirc)).

secamp32
September 14, 2007, 04:18 PM
It was kind of pathetic. They had no money for anything. You had to buy all your own equipment. They weren't allowed to wear the current (at the time) BDUs, only the solid olive drab uniforms. But they were hard to come by. We had to search the salvation army stores. I moved out of state after a few months. I have no idea what its like now.

SgtMajUSMC-Retired
March 27, 2008, 12:18 PM
If anyone has any questions on the South Carolina State Guard, ask me before joining, or after. Most State Guards are different, so I can address general to some, anything concerning SCSG. Thanks for those that have and are serving our Active and Reserve Forces.

green-grizzly
March 27, 2008, 12:34 PM
Utah has a Civil Defense Force by statute, but there is not a single person enrolled in it. And they are not accepting new members.

A former governor apparently disbanded it in 1987 because it was allegedly full of felons and nazis.

xjchief
March 27, 2008, 04:23 PM
I looked into Florida a while back but found, as posted earlier, that it had only been active during WWII. Same for Hawaii. :(

Sportcat
March 27, 2008, 04:30 PM
"If anyone has any questions on the South Carolina State Guard, ask me before joining, or after. Most State Guards are different, so I can address general to some, anything concerning SCSG. Thanks for those that have and are serving our Active and Reserve Forces."

What unit are you with in the SCSG?

Kentak
March 28, 2008, 03:10 PM
So, basically, no combat training, and you don't get to play with guns?

Maybe a good deal if you're too old to get into the Boy Scouts.

K

Sportcat
March 28, 2008, 03:13 PM
So, basically, no combat training, and you don't get to play with guns?

Maybe a good deal if you're too old to get into the Boy Scouts.

Thanks for your ignorance:scrutiny:

yhtomit
March 28, 2008, 04:48 PM
I'll start looking for the answer on my own as well, but people here are often faster than me -- do, can anyone tell me: Does Washington have a state guard?

EDIT: Why Yes, Virginia, there *is* a Washington Military Department All-Volunteer State Guard :)
http://stateguard.washingtonguard.org/

Huh!

timothy

MiddleAgedKen
March 28, 2008, 05:05 PM
Ohio has the Ohio Military Reserve (http://ohmr.ohio.gov/) and the Ohio Naval Militia (http://navalmilitia.ohio.gov/). Though unarmed, the Naval Militia provides offshore security for Camp Perry (they keep boaters from wandering too close inshore while the range is hot during the nationals), extra security when the tall ships come to Cleveland, etc.

I live near Lake Erie and have done some boat time, incl. maintenance, and have looked into joining after I finish my doctorate if we still live near Lake Erie. My wife is not thrilled by the idea, but we'll see.

TX1911fan
March 28, 2008, 06:21 PM
Sportcat, I'm not sure Kentak was trying to be rude, just blunt in his asssessment. I was thinking the same thing about the Texas State Guard, and trying to see the difference between it and volunteering at the Red Cross. Other than wearing camo, it doesn't appear to be much. I was actually sort of excited about it, until I saw that Texas doesn't do much. I hope SC is different.

Kentak
March 28, 2008, 10:33 PM
Thanks for your ignorance

Well, I'm not sure what I'm ignorant about in this case. I freely admit to being ignorant about many things. I've spent most of my 60 years trying to figure out what makes women tick, but that's another story.

Actually, TX1911fan has it right. I wasn't trying to be rude--maybe a little snarky, though. Really, kudos to you for wanting to join an organization that provides services in potential emergency situations. If the training they provide is useful in that regard, great.

My comment was really directed at those who might have thought the State Guard was some sort of armed, state militia, ready to repel Islamist invaders at the State Line.

K

brighamr
March 29, 2008, 12:16 AM
Two things here:

1) If there's going to be a State Guard or any type of recognized "militia", the first thing they should do is get REAL firearms comparable to any other "National" entity. Seriously, what's the difference from being a boy scout? At least they do train with 22s occasionally. :rolleyes:

2) It appears that a lot of the State Guards or State Militias used to be armed (talking late 18xx's to early 19xx's here). I wonder when and why they were disarmed? :scrutiny:


Seriously, when will we ever have a State Militia\Guard\whatever you want to call it that allows us to serve and train without being sent away for 1.5 years? I know, i know I'm dreaming...

george29
March 29, 2008, 01:25 AM
From the few people I know in the State guard here in NM, they would be doing their state a bigger favor if they just stayed home and surfed porn on the internet. Maybe I'm off base but any organization that never gets any recognition, isn't allowed to do anything to help out and most people don't even know it exists doesn't sound too impressive.

bill.l.johnson
March 29, 2008, 10:37 PM
http://www.calguard.ca.gov/Pages/default.aspx

Follow the above link for CA SMR. We are an operational unit of the CA National Guard. Army, Air and Naval.

We were activated for State Active Duty for the wild fires in tha fall of 2007. Worked the Joint Operations Center,
Office of Emergency Services, and were Liaison Officers to FEMA and other operations centers.
Many changes have been made in our mission in the last four years.

Our unit is a training unit for MP skills. We make ourselves available to any NG unit needing training in Warrior tasks.
We recruit both prior service and non-prior. All are trained to perform to Army standard.

This State Guard (Military Reserve) unit is very active and in demand by the NG. We are under the direction of the Governor and the AG. Our Commander is the Asst. AG.
We have over 600 members state-wide. Some units are imbedded with Guard units and some respond to regional demands.

Any CA THR members that want more info, please PM me.
Or follow the info on the web site to get answers from the recruiters in your area.
We are looking for people who want to be active in helping the State NG prepare for deployments.

This is serious business to us.

Hope to hear from some of you.


Bill

.45&TKD
March 30, 2008, 12:09 AM
bill.l.johnson, sounds good. Hard to believe that CA is doing anything right regarding this topic.

Jdude
March 30, 2008, 03:27 AM
bill.l.johnson, now that sounds pretty neat. I would love to do that; however I play full time army these days. That little issue may preclude me from jumping in. ;) Best of luck.

I'll look into it again in a decade or so when I retire.

bill.l.johnson
March 30, 2008, 03:03 PM
Thanks for the replys guys. We'll wait for ya!

We have a good time, work hard at training and do it for free 99% of the time.

Bill

sirwence
June 15, 2008, 09:10 PM
Well I live in Massachusetts and have my entire life, I have been to the State Guards page.. and contacted several times with interest to join.. is there anyone here currently in it or would have any idea as to why there would be no response to a 22 year old seeking to join it?

atk
June 16, 2008, 10:38 AM
sirwence,

Governor Patrick decided to temporarily stand down the MASG, and study it. It's been stood down since February, or so. The study is supposedly to determine how to best utilize the resources available.

If you're interested in joining, please send me a PM, with your contact info, and I'll send it to the recruitment officer. You won't be able to join until the MASG starts up, again, but at least contact can be started.

ChiefC
September 18, 2008, 10:06 PM
I'm a member of the South Carolina State Guard and I can only speak for my BN, and on a limited basis, for my BDE. Those limitations being said...my BN trains like CRAZY! We are located on the coast, so hurricanes are a threat. We have very close working relationships with all local emergency services authorities and train with them accordingly. But for some reason, we must all be trained in recon, convoy ops and other training normally associated with active and federal reserve component units. Supposedly, that is the "roundout" function that we play to the National Guard. Still, the training is good and the camaraderie is better. The number of silver and bronze stars with V in just our BN is impressive. We even have a DSC winner. The knowledge they have to pass along is amazing. I recommend State Guards for all who have the option.

ratfinkk
April 18, 2010, 07:56 AM
Hi. I'm a newbie looking to join the Mass. State Guard. I found this thread via Google.

Looks like no one has been in this thread for awhile, but I figured I'd give it a try...

Anyone have info on joining the State Guard?

Art Eatman
April 18, 2010, 09:41 AM
ratfinkk, please start a new thread. That's better than resurrecting this old one.

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