What about a 10mm


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ChiBears
December 12, 2006, 02:38 PM
I have been debating between a 45ACP and a 40 for a little while now. My buddy wants me to get a 40, so I can reload with him. I was going to get a 45...because, well...I don't know!..I guess I thought it would be more accurate at the range...who knows!

I recently thought...what about a 10mm?
I would love to be able to take it out to the woods with me.

For those of you who have a 10mm...How do they shoot?...compared to say the recoil and snap of a .40? Is it easy to get back on target quickly?

I am thinking of maybe a Glock 20 in 10mm?!?

Thanks for the input.
Sam

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Walkalong
December 12, 2006, 02:43 PM
1911 in .45, but I'm biased. Then get a 10 later.

gudel
December 12, 2006, 03:01 PM
Get USP45. 10mm is not easy to find, and very limited.

Reed1911
December 12, 2006, 04:12 PM
10mm is not easy to find, and very limited


Please explain that. There are 10mm pistols easy to find all over, from 1911 style to polymer style, DA/SA, adj sights etc.....

10mm ammo is easy to find just about most places, not as easy as .45 or 9mm, but not hard at all.

Limited?! to what nearly 30% more power than the .45ACP, downloaded to powder puff loads, more bullet options , more powder options than the .45 and .40.

Get the 10mm, it has more support now than ever before and is growing by the day. You'll not be disappointed

UglyGlock
December 12, 2006, 04:24 PM
check out http://10mmtalk.com/

those of us that have 10s love 'em.

if you are considering a .40 S&W you can get a .40 barrel for almost any 10mm, and have a very versital platform.

My buddy wants me to get a 40, so I can reload with him
.40S&W and 10mm both use the same dies, same shell holder, and same bullets. for reloading, the only difference will be the depth of the die, the size of the primer, the case, and of course the ammount/type of powder you can/should use.

Skywarp
December 12, 2006, 05:09 PM
Alot of gun stores here in Cali carry 10mm, with the internet you can get 10mm delivered to your house in days.

Almost every store I've been to that is serious about slinging glocks has a Glock 20.


Aside from that you're talking about reloading. The 10mm is easy to reload with a huge amount of bullet selection and wide varieties of powder choices.

It has the power of the 357 magnum in bigger bullets and a massive capacity in the Glock 20. Get a KKM 6" barrel with full support and some Hi skor 700 and you start seeing some amazing stuff

the pistolero
December 12, 2006, 05:32 PM
My buddy wants me to get a 40, so I can reload with him.

If you're gonna reload, then by all means buy a 10mm. Maybe two or three if you can afford them. :D You can load it down to .40S&W levels if you like, or up to low-end .41 Magnum levels. So far the only 10mm I have is the Kimber Stainless Target II, but 15+1 rounds of 10mm goodness that the Glock 20 offers does sound mighty appealing for my future!

mljdeckard
December 12, 2006, 06:21 PM
20 years ago, the 10 mm was the great new hope. There is a lot of buzz about it making a comeback. My grandmother still thinks Betamax is making a comeback. I think most (all) of the buzz about the comeback is from people who already have one. (Like my grandmother.)

The 10 mm is all they say it is. But it was all that 14 years ago too when the .40 violently pushed it off the table. What has changed recently that makes it a better option now?

Yes, you can order full-house 10 mm loads to be delivered to your house in days, BUT WHY SHOULD YOU HAVE TO?

I have my 1911, and if I really want it to overlap into 10 mm power range, I can put in a .400 Corbon barrel, and load my own from .45 ACP brass.

Reed1911
December 12, 2006, 06:28 PM
Well while your Grandmother may see the future, no one makes the Beta format anymore so..... On the otherhand more and more gun makes are coming out with 10mm guns both pistol and carbine,.

Recoil is the exact reason why full power loads are not on the shelf, the FBI complained that the 10mm had too much recoil and did not want to loose thier investment in pistols, so major makers complied with the demand for softer loads. Now on the .400 CorBon you can equal the soft 10mm load true, but you'll never be able to load higher than that, and less bullet weights to choose from.

gudel
December 12, 2006, 06:32 PM
The ten is dead. Some just refuse to deal with reality. I think there's a place for this, is called asylum. :D

Stick with the 45, and get the HK while you're at it; don't get the jamomatic.

doofus
December 12, 2006, 06:38 PM
The ten is dead.

That depends on how you look at it. Is the 10mm prevalent enough to be a good choice for a SHTF weapon? Probably not. But finding both 10mm pistols and ammo is an easy Google away; it'll likely be around for years to come.

Reed1911
December 12, 2006, 06:39 PM
[QUOTE]The ten is dead. Some just refuse to deal with reality. I think there's a place for this, is called asylum. [QUOTE]


Think so 'eh? Tell me how many new .45's came out in 05/06. Now let's not be stupid here and call one with the addition of an ambi-safety "new" or a new set of available sights. Then tell me how many in 9mm, .40 S&W and .357 Sig.

Then compare it to 5 new 10mm's. Now by my count there are 10-12 new .45's, 1 new .357 sig, .40 and 9mm I don't know. But about 1/2 the introduction of the ever present and excellent .45 does not a quick kill make. Soooooo.. dead, not by a long shot, still a bit on the backburner yes 100% agreed. But it's here to stay and growing pretty quickly.

UglyGlock
December 12, 2006, 06:55 PM
The ten is dead
It's only mostly dead. good thing it's not all the way dead.

surely, the 10 is much less dead than .45GAP or .357sig.
it's a lot easier to find 10mm in stores than either of the above, and you also won't find any .45super or .400 cor-bon or .38super for sale down at the local smokes, booze, ammo, and gas stop.

it's true that the 10mm isn't for everyone, but the news of its demise is greatly exagerated.

atblis
December 12, 2006, 07:36 PM
Because you are going to reload, that makes the 10mm a far better choice. Also, you can get a 40SW barrel no problem for a 10mm.

If you want the biggest and baddest (normal production) auto pistol cartridge, you want a 10mm

If you want a versatile cartridge that you can plink, hunt, and defend your family with, you want a 10mm

If you want something to play with handloading, you want a 10mm

If you want something unique and interesting to show off at the range, you want a 10mm (supposing this is important to you).

Reloading costs are about the same as 40.

Dies are the same.
Same bullets (majority of the cost)
More powder (good thing really)
Brass costs are about the same.
New Starline (best currently available)
40S&W 13.6 cents each
10mm 14.4 cents each

It is an excellent cartridge for handloading.
Bullets range from 135gr up to 220gr
You can load 40s&w velocities for killing soda cans
You can load light screamers for amusment 1600fps+
Want to shoot some deer? 180gr at 1400fps
Need penetration? 220gr bullets

They sell 357 Sig at Walmart, unfortunately it is more expensive than 10mm.

doubleg
December 12, 2006, 07:41 PM
10mm or .45 super in a 1911.;)

Skywarp
December 12, 2006, 08:06 PM
10mm or .45 super in a 1911.


Some 1911's dont fare too well with full house 10mm rounds.

ozarkhillbilly
December 12, 2006, 10:14 PM
I like my Glock 20 10mm a whole lot more then my Glock 22 .40cal, It does have more recoil the ammo cost more and the grip is bigger, if you have small hands that could be a problem, but if you want no recoil, cheap ammo and a small grip buy a 22lr. The 10mm is a blast to shoot and it will also stop just about anything in the lower 48 and it would be a definite keeper if the SHTF. Ammo is a little harder to find then 9mm, 40cal, 45acp but not all that difficult. I am not knocking 45acp I have three but if everything was equal the 10mm is a better round.

AKA
December 12, 2006, 10:22 PM
I have 45 ACP pistols and they are versatile, easy to buy ammo for and are used in several different shooting sports events.

My Glock 20 with Double Tap 135 gr. Nosler HP @ 1600 fps 767 ft./lbs from a Glock 20 does recoil but not horribly and it is comforting while walking in dangerous areas say in bear country or to stop the crazed and dreaded zombies.

I would get both but if I could only afford one it would be the 45 ACP.

You can buy Double Tap ammo here:

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=45&osCsid=92643a9757b6f004e4463e63e449772d

Have a good holiday.

LAK Supply
December 12, 2006, 10:52 PM
Get the Glock 20!! They are great guns, and you will not be disappointed with the 10mm round in the least!

I have a G20, and I couldn't ask for a more versatile weapon. With my 6" Jarvis barrel, it will run neck-in-neck with many of the factory .41 magnum loads, and you can download it to factory .40 power as well.

I think it would cost you about $90 to get a .40 conversion barrel as well, so you can shoot lots of cheap ammo at the range. This would also come in handy if there is ever a time that you can't get ahold of a lot of 10mm in a doomsday-type scenario or something like that.

The 10mm will cycle .40 in a pinch as well (with the factory 10mm barrel); it is not as reliable as 10 ammo and it is not the greatest thing you can do for your gun, but it will work if you need it to.

I had a Glock 31 (.357 Sig), which is the exact same gun as the 22 with the exception of the barrel (.40 vs .357). When I got the 10mm I was expecting it to shoot poorly (I was not yet used to the larger grip of the big frame Glock) in comparison, but all it took was one trip to the range for me to decide differently.

I shot the 31 in both .357 Sig and .40 (had a conversion barrel for that one too), and then shot the 20 with the factory 10mm barrel. I was very surprised that the bigger gun shot so well; I think Glock kept the power of the 10mm round in mind when they designed this weapon, and they did a great job. The larger frame and slide really soak up the recoil; it shoots great.

I have since traded the standard-sized Glock in for something else, but I will never give up my 10mm!

Oh yeah, and the 10 is not dead. There are more people shooting that round now than ever before. I have a friend that owns a gun store here in my area, and his 10mm handgun sales have increased substantially over the last few years. Don't listen to the anti-10 guys! :neener:

antsi
December 13, 2006, 12:04 AM
Comparisons of the popularity of .40 and 10mm are largely based on the decisions of police department bureacrats, who have overwhelmingly opted for .40 rather than 10mm. However, their criteria might not necessarily be the same as yours.

I agree with everything atblis says, except:
"Brass costs are about the same."
For me, .40 brass is free because whenever I go to the range it is lying around in piles.
10mm brass is a little harder to come by.

Lennyjoe
December 13, 2006, 12:11 AM
Atblis hit the nail on the head.

I have 2 tens, a 1006 S&W and a G20 and I love them both.

Get the 10MM, load it up with some Blue Dot and 180's and watch your buddy and his .40 stare in awe when you let them full powers go. It will put a smile on your face for sure.:D

atblis
December 13, 2006, 01:47 AM
Couple differences for me (minor details)

Big ole grin (not smile)
800X (Bluedot works too though)
:evil:

the pistolero
December 13, 2006, 07:54 AM
10mm brass is a little harder to come by.

And it's a real pain in the back end when folks like me, who shoot & save our brass, are looking for it and pick up .40S&W brass about 7 or 8 times out of 10. Of course, a good bit of that has to do with the fact that when the brass is ejected, it hits the awning over the firing line and goes only God knows where. ;)

Lennyjoe
December 13, 2006, 09:58 AM
Oh yea baby. 800X is the creme de le creme of powders for the 10MM. :D

Wordsmith
December 13, 2006, 10:08 AM
357 SIG is dead compared to the 10mm?

Maybe in your neck of the woods nobody shoots the 9mm magnum, but I can find plenty of 357 SIG around here. The 10mm is what is scarce.

Last I checked, more law enforcement agencies are picking up the 357 SIG, including my own state's highway patrol. How many police departments and highway patrols are using the 10mm?

And don't say it doesn't matter. Law enforcement is the primary reason that the .40 S&W is so popular.

Vitamin G
December 13, 2006, 11:14 AM
Law enforcement is the primary reason that the .40 S&W is so popular

Wow, i thought it was gangsta rappers.


Anyways, I see alot more 10mm around western PA then .357sig. I know four other people who are big fans of the 10mm, and there's only one person i know of who had a .357sig, and he sold it.

Walkalong
December 13, 2006, 11:15 AM
The ten is dead. Some just refuse to deal with reality.

The 10mm, & the .41 mag as far as that is concerned, is not dead. It is not a major player and never will be. it has it's niche and those who love, love it. I have shot one and it was fun,.
I much prefer the .45 ACP for general shooting. It is very accurate. I can load it light or medium or stout. There are componets galore for it. etc.
I would start with the .45 because it is pleasent to shoot and easy to reload. It is a great cartridge to learn reloading on. It's very forgiving, operates at low pressures, etc. You can always pick up a 10 sometime. Millions love the .45 ACP for a reason. :)

roscoe
December 13, 2006, 02:34 PM
The 10mm is much more versatily than the .45, and much more powerful. You cannot go wrong with the 10mm.

Walkalong
December 13, 2006, 02:42 PM
Like I said. Those who love it, Love It! Hey Roscoe. .45 ACP Rocks! :neener:

HGUNHNTR
December 13, 2006, 02:55 PM
Get the 10mm its a handloaders dream, kinda like having a 375 H&H!

ChiBears
December 13, 2006, 03:32 PM
If I got the Glock 20...would I need a different barrel (like a kkm, etc.) before I start to reload for it?
I have been reading about case bulging.

bruss01
December 13, 2006, 03:42 PM
I wish someone would make a revolver in 10mm that headspaces on the case mouth, similar to what others have done in .45 ACP, no moon clips needed. A 1911 and a revolver chambered in 10mm, that really captures my imagination.

I'm a big fan of the .357 round, and from what I hear, the 10mm is the closest thing you can get to .357 performance - .357 sig is equivalent to the most mild .357 magnum rounds, not to the true potential of the magnum. But I'd like to be able to pack both a semi-auto and a revolver with .357 MAGNUM power, without having to lug two separate kinds of ammo.

Anyway, I have strange predelictions, I'll admit. But still....

EddieCoyle
December 13, 2006, 04:36 PM
If I got the Glock 20...would I need a different barrel (like a kkm, etc.) before I start to reload for it?
I have been reading about case bulging.

It might be a good idea if you plan to shoot lots of lead. I got a KKM for my G29 because I felt (no hard experience, just what I know about work-hardening) that my brass would last longer without the bulge.

I wish someone would make a revolver in 10mm that headspaces on the case mouth, similar to what others have done in .45 ACP, no moon clips needed. A 1911 and a revolver chambered in 10mm, that really captures my imagination.

Check Gunbroker and get yourself a S&W 610 and a Delta Elite and you'll have both. In the 610, the cartridge headspaces on the mouth - you need the moon clips for extraction.

nitesite
December 13, 2006, 05:42 PM
My Glock 29 still sports its original barrel. 10mm has much less tendency to bulge in the unsupported area than .40S&W does. I believe it's because 10mm brass has a beefier case web.

Very few of my factory loaded ammo has ever had a bulge, even hot stuff like DoubleTap. My Georgia Arms Shear Power Plus ammo didn't bulge either with Starline brass. My practice reloads are 180s doing 1000-fps out of my G29 and they don't have bulged cases.

Lennyjoe
December 13, 2006, 08:32 PM
I bulged brass out of my factory barrel using Blue Dot and 800X. The Blue Dot load was just below max and I won't tell you how much over the 800X was;)

I couldn't wait until my Storm Lake barrel came in so I took the G20 out and put the loads thru it. They shot fine out of the 1006 but the Glock barrel gave me glocksmiles. Not bad, but enough to compromise the brass in my opinion.

You can get a Storm Lake stainless barrel for a G20 at www.topglock.com for $98 and they are just as good as a Jarvis.

http://www.topglock.com/catalog/barrels_stormlake.htm

Here's a pic of my set up with a Glock tac light. Both barrels are Storm Lake. The 6" is in the gun at the time of this picture but since has been removed and put on stand by.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid206/p65ffa0f26cec85d7d4cd823b6f9bbc73/eeea71c7.jpg

Another without the 6" installed.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid206/pcbad9abdf695988084b74e82a32f9c6d/eeea71c8.jpg

Kitt
December 13, 2006, 09:32 PM
Dan Wesson 10mm CBOB...

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