I switched my chambered round to FMJ. Here's why.


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Handgun Midas
December 14, 2006, 01:23 PM
Since before I had my CCW (earlier this year) I had been keeping a full mag of JHP
in my P345 which sat on my nightstand, but an empty chamber. I hadn't any RSC,
so when I went out, I would drop the mag and lock the gun with the supplied Ruger lock.

This also facilitated my dry firing practice, as all I needed to do was drop the
loaded mag and insert a mag with a snap cap; slingshot and commence pulling.
For anybody who doesn't know, a P345 is one gun where snap caps for dry-firing
are highly recommended.

Fast foward to the present, when a JHP never leaves the chamber of my gun which
rarely leaves my side. What I'm noticing is that my meager supply of JHP is getting
scuffed up, because now I have to eject and re-chamber at least one JHP round
anytime I dry-fire.

So what I've taken to doing is chambering a cheap FMJ, and then keeping the mag
filled with JHP. This way the only round that gets repeatedly ejected and chambered
is cheaply replacable FMJ round that probably has a better chance of feeding with a
scuffed nose.

So after a dozen or so dry-fire sessions, when that round has been through
the mag and chamber that many times, I can just dump it in with my practice
ammo for the next range trip. Or if it looks so bad that I'm worried about a
kaboom, I can simply toss it.

This way I can always keep my JHP defensive ammo in top condition, while
dry-firing as much as I want. The only potential downside is I don't have an
expanding bullet for that first shot, but there's eight of them queued up underneath.

Thoughts?

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BullfrogKen
December 14, 2006, 01:28 PM
Cycle through your carry ammo. This isn't the best reason to carry FMJ, in my opinion.

SWMAN
December 14, 2006, 02:21 PM
Buy another P345 and use that for dryfiring.

Manedwolf
December 14, 2006, 03:07 PM
Agreed with the second post, you should be cycling through your carry ammo more often anyway. Use it up at least once every couple of months, load new.

Yeah, you have to pay for it. Having a gun go :barf: when a BG is running up on you costs a lot more.

ZeSpectre
December 14, 2006, 03:31 PM
While I understand the logic, there is at least one item that I think is important to point out. Rounds that are repeatedly re-chambered can be pressed back into the hull (commonly called setback) and may create a dangerous overpressure situation.

See this thread
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=235204

So it's probably a very good idea to simply run through your ammo every now and then and load the magazine fresh.

Skywarp
December 14, 2006, 04:35 PM
Still not a fan.


cycle through the ammo. if it gets set back i wouldnt shoot it but scuffed up shouldn't affect it. If it's a finicky loading gun then i wouldn't keep it around anyways.

Antihero
December 14, 2006, 04:57 PM
Id have to agree with the above, why not just cycle your ammo? It would only cost you at maximum 20 bucks and you would have new ammo.

Zero_DgZ
December 14, 2006, 05:17 PM
I have an even less noble reason. I have enough JHP's to fill my mags but I'm short one for the chamber, so I dropped an FMJ in there.

kungfuhippie
December 14, 2006, 05:29 PM
jhp ammo don't cost that much. Over penetration and striking a bystandard = lawsuit if you're unly using one fmj. You can get nice jhp ammo for $10-$20 a box. It's not much when you realize you life could depend on it. My defense rounds don't last more that two months, and MOTT they only make it a month.

It's good to practice with what you'll actually be shooting, then you'll know for sure if it feeds well and if it is prone to jamming or FTF. IF you've run 100+ rds of brand "x" and it always feeds and it groups well and your gun don't jam, it was worth the $$$ to know that when you NEED your gun it will work.

That's why I know federal JHP will feed well and hornaday won't. I don't rely on hornaday JHP. because I've shot 50+ rounds of it and it WILL jam on about every 5th rd. not to mention it won't feed if there are more than 6 in the magazine.

strat81
December 14, 2006, 05:32 PM
Buy an extra magazine.

clt46910
December 14, 2006, 05:42 PM
You need to fire off your carry load regularly and keep your carry load fresh. If you are not going to do that and worry about what your carry load looks like, just put the more worn round at the bottom of the mag, nobody can see it then.

Curare
December 14, 2006, 06:11 PM
You are saving a few pennies at the potential cost of your life.

Penny wise, pound foolish.

Handgun Midas
December 14, 2006, 06:39 PM
Buy another P345 and use that for dryfiring.Yeah, that's efficient

setbackI'm aware. Better I ruin and toss a FMJ than JHP.

Buy an extra magazine.I have three. One in the gun, one in the mag carrier, and one in the shoulder holster.
No matter how many mags I have, I still have to juggle the chambered round, and that's the whole point.

You are saving a few pennies at the potential cost of your life.How exactly is a single FMJ overtop eight JHPs going to cost me my life?



I do appreciate the replies, but the purpose of this practice is to keep my more expensive
JHP ammo in good condition while making it as convenient as possible to me to load up a snap cap for practice.

Money is tight right now, and I don't want to have to replace my JHP supply more often than necessary.
BTW, last time I used up my old JHPs, the gun ran them all with no problems.

DoubleTapDrew
December 14, 2006, 07:12 PM
How exactly is a single FMJ overtop eight JHPs going to cost me my life?
You may only have time to get off one shot before a BG is on you. A good hit is a good hit though, no matter what you use.

I cycle through the rounds in the mag, pop out your chamber round, when you re-load it, the next round goes in the chamber then eject the mag and top it off. Shuffle things up and shoot the ammo every few months and replace it with fresh stuff.

walking arsenal
December 14, 2006, 07:35 PM
Just because someone can afford a gun doesnt mean they can afford to run through expensive carry ammo all the time.

Yes we should replace ammo often.

Yes we should have half a dozen mags per gun.

Yes we should run 200+ rounds of our selcted carry round through the gun to make sure it cycles.

But this is all under ideal conditions.

This doesnt factor in that some folks that carry are poor and dont want to ruin their expensive carry ammo.

$20 is a lot of money to some.

To me thats 3 hours of work after taxes. I'm a college student. 100 rounds of 9mm FMJ can be bought for 20 rounds of good JHP.

For the poor, quantity is sometimes better.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere, self defense isn't only for the rich.

My .02

kungfuhippie
December 14, 2006, 08:10 PM
Very true, you don't have to constantly replace your ammo, but really I'd work some overtime or mow lawns for that extra $40 a year plus at least what two boxes cost to test out a round in my gun. (and yes I'm a poor college student, I just don't buy text books so I can buy ammo:neener: ) I've have a gun that I know doesn't like some ammo because I've worked 12 hr. days to afford some ammo to test, if I had relied on the hornaday ammo I initially bought without testing it I don't know who'd be more surprised me or a BG when my gun wouldn't feed. You can just buy one box and never replace it until it's needed and just shoot reloaded FMJ. Heck I bet a box of 20 JHP could last a year if treated nice and rotated. But I still stand by the fact that $40 isn't too much a year and running a new round through your gun a little (two boxes minimum) is very important, especially in a cheaper gun that a poor guy who can't afford JHP ammo would buy. And it's better to carry with a FMJ on top than not carry at all.

DoubleTapDrew
December 14, 2006, 08:15 PM
You don't have to go through $20 worth of ammo a week.
If you chamber the same round you'll be replacing a 30-50 cent round about once a month. Shoot up that mag of ammo twice a year and put in fresh stuff.
I'd love to get CorBon DPX but I can't afford $200 for 200 rounds of ammo to make sure my gun functions flawlessly with it at this point in time, so I'll stick with Golden Saber for now.

rustymaggot
December 14, 2006, 08:36 PM
rotate the hollow points within the magazine whenever you feel a need to dryfire . that way a small scratch on each one works out ok, and when youve scuffed em all up fire em and get new ones. that will save you alot.

personally i just dont see this as much of a problem. how scuffed does a bullet get from a few chamberings? just scuff the heck out of that one bullet and then when its not suitable to you then set it aside for range use later. its a 30 cent problem. how much dryfiring are you doing?

MICHAEL T
December 14, 2006, 08:36 PM
Do just what your doing I see nothing wrong with a Ball first round.
As to shooting up and replacing you carry ammo every mo. or 2 Fine by me if you can afford it. But ammo last a long time and I see no need to do this. We don't have a problem asking our soliders to go to war with ammo that been stored years . They carry it into combat every day and it works. How old is that new box of HP you just got fron dealer or the case you ordered from ....
I have ammo I fired off this summer from LATE 80'S AND IT ALL WORKED FINE
I practice with ball and shoot my carry ammo up about every 6 to 8 mo not every mo or 2.
just my 02

Chuck R.
December 14, 2006, 11:24 PM
I replace my SD ammo about annually, sometimes longer. Iíve never had a problem with ďstaleĒ ammo.

I take the ďChamberedĒ round and mark the primer with a marker so I can tell it from the rest. That round is always the chambered round, so if it gets scuffed etc, itís already in there, so no feeding worries. IF it does start to shrink or that round is looking rough, just shoot it at your next range session. Iíve got to tell you though, Iíve chambered some of my Golden Saberís upwards of 30+ times and when measuring them havenít noticed much if any shrinkage from setback.

Depending on your pistol, I donít think youíd have anything to worry about. I routinely shoot reloads that Iíve made from ďliberated GI .45ACP brass that I ďgotĒ when we switched to M9s. The ammo itself was Vietnam era, and Iíve loaded that brass countless times, I still havenít seen any reliability problems due to the brass condition. Some of the rims look light a rodents been gnawing on them, and they still chamber and feed even in an unreliable, antique 1911:D

Chuck

PsychoKnight
December 15, 2006, 12:15 PM
I knew a fellow starving college student a long time ago that would hardly use his brakes on his really old car in order to save wear on the pads. He would downshift his manual tranny until it slowed him way down before he applied the brakes. He never had to replace the pads during the time he owned the car. Guess what he had to replace instead.
Using the cheapest round as your first shot because you don't like the way high quality SD bullets look from chambering scuffings just doesn't make sense to me. In SD, function over looks. Its already chambered when you need to defend yourself, so it doesn't matter if the hp rim is banged up.


Based on your concersn, I don't recommend you slingshot, or use the slide release to chamber your first round.

Solve two issues with one solution:
Don't use the slide to chamber it out of the mag. With an empty gun, mag removed, lock open the slide, point the gun downward, and simply gravity-drop the top round into the chamber. This will both prevent any wear on the nose of the bullet, eliminate the possibility of chambering-induced setback, and all of your SD ammo will look spanking brand new. If you manually eject the round by pulling back the slide very slowly, you'll even keep the rim from getting any dings.
Would this solve your problem?

Handgun Midas
December 15, 2006, 12:33 PM
I knew a fellow starving college student a long time ago that would hardly use his brakes on his really old car in order to save wear on the pads. He would downshift his manual tranny until it slowed him way down before he applied the brakes.Hey, I do that too!
Excellent! *electric guitar wails*

because you don't like the way high quality SD bullets look from chambering scuffings just doesn't make sense to me. In SD, function over looks.This has nothing to do with cosmetics, excepting that the appearence can be indicative
of the rounds' likelyhood to jam, and please keep in mind that I was rotating the JHPs previously.

I'll keep a mag full of shiney JHPs over a mag full of scuffed-nosed JHPs that have
a higher chance of jamming. This isn't proven, BTW, least of all in my gun,
but this is how I percieve the risks.

If you don't like scraped JHP noses, why are you sling-shotting your first round ?No difference in a slingshot or a slide stop-drop. It does the same thing to the bullet.

simply gravity-drop the top round into the chamber. This will both prevent any wear on the nose of the bullet, eliminate the possibility of chambering-induced setbackI knew a quirky college student once who thought he could save his ammo and mags
from setback bugaboos by dropping the round in the chamber and letting the extractor
take the hit by ramming it's way over the rim of the bullet.

Guess what he had to replace?

Problem solved?Yes, by the method I adopted before posting this thread.

PsychoKnight
December 15, 2006, 02:00 PM
<<I knew a quirky college student once who thought he could save his ammo and mags
from setback bugaboos by dropping the round in the chamber and letting the extractor
take the hit by ramming it's way over the rim of the bullet.

Guess what he had to replace?>>

Take the hit? What hit?

If you were going to prevent any kind of machining marks on the cartridge during chambering you wouldn't simply press the slide release and let the slide slam forward. I never said to do that did I?

Restrain the slide as it moves forward slowly. When the extractor reaches the case head rim, gently push the slide forward until the extractor gently clicks over the rim and the action is locked in firing position.

DUUHHHH !!!:neener:

Anyhow and even so, what's wrong with using the slide release w/ round already chambered?
If you notice the hook shape of the extractor and the spring loaded hinge by which it is attached to the slide, you'd understand that the extractor functions this way by design. I will concede that although the extractor is made from high grade hardened steel, it will eventually wear out and need to be replaced from this type of pre-chambered slide closure. Yes, maybe after several tens of thousand incidents of this specific chambering technique, and at twice a week, 10,000 such chamberings would take a hundred years. Plus, your extractor will still last long after several much more expensive parts of the gun require replacement, during which time the extractor would be replaced as part of a routine overhaul anyhow.

In the light of such a combative attitude, I'm wondering what's the purpose of your question? You just like to argue? You just like to piss people off? What's your problem?

kungfuhippie
December 15, 2006, 02:11 PM
I think when midas posted this he just wanted to be praised for coming up with such a brilliant way of saving $40 a year. He was expecting us all to understand that he is indead the most frugal pistolero in the cantina. Too bad that everyone decided to call him a tightwad who was doing something that could result in more problems than the $ he'll save.:(

Well done handgun midas, may all that you shoot turn to gold:neener:
And may we all learn to value our pennies over our lives.

Coronach
December 15, 2006, 02:13 PM
Top off your gun with HPs, and shoot your on-board mag of HPs every time you go shooting. this does several things:

1. It cycles your carry ammo. Bullet setback, chewed up rims, etc...all degrade reliability/safety.

2. It gives you a very clear picture how well your carry ammo functions in the gun.

3. You will have no doubts what would have happened had you gone for your gun that week and had to pull the trigger.

Just spend the extra money to cycle your ammo. It is more than worth it.

Mike

Handgun Midas
December 15, 2006, 10:14 PM
Well done handgun midas, may all that you shoot turn to goldFinally somebody gets the joke.

doing something that could result in more problems than the $ he'll save.More problems? Do you really believe that?
Still a fresh round in the chamber, maybe not optimal,
but a guy still gets shot, right?

If a duder came on proclaiming that it was FMJ for him fo'eva ons,
would he be derided as carrying a paperweight?
Honestly shocked at what a pariah a round nosed bullet can make out of a man



Anyway, today I ran a box of Golden Sabres through without trouble,
and then filled all three mags with another box.
Shot up my old jalopy JHP too, devoid of incident.

For now I'm leaving a Sabre in the chamber, and I will extract it
quite gingerly when switching to the caps.
Depending on how much dry-firing I do at a time, and I've been known to fluctuate,
I may throw a FMJ back in there for a while.

As far as babying my extractor, dropping the slide on a full
chamber is one of those procedures that I've only ever heard
advised against, like dropping the slide on an empty chamber.

BTW, I shoot my P345 the most, so if I did choose to cycle the
ammo every range trip, it'd cost me a lot more than $40 a year.

kungfuhippie
December 16, 2006, 04:16 AM
h.g. midas,
The $40 would mean you just shot it up evey 6 months.

doing something that could result in more problems than the $ he'll save.
More problems? Do you really believe that?

Okay, I come off as illiterate on occation so I'll try hard to explain. I'll use this story;

Lets say you have that 100% reliable FMJ on top. No harm with that, fmj has probably killed more men than JHP. But lets say for example O.J. Simpson with a knife comes at you and you find in necessary to shoot, standing behind O.J. is a wonderful, church going, woman who splits her time between the animal shelter and the orphanage. and your FMJ overpenetrates O.J. and kills the Good Samaritan Granny bystandard. It would be a tragic accident. BUt then G.S. Granny's family (the Garbage Pail Kids) come on the news about some King Midas Redneck Pistolero Coyboy Reckless Redneck who gunned down G.S. Granny just cause he could. Then Scum Bag Lawyer and G.P. Kids tell the D.A. you had a different round on top. In testimony you're asked why all your rounds weren't FMJ or JHP. You explain why and then tell the jury that you knew a FMJ was much more likly to overpenetrate and that's part of why you have JHP after the first round. S.B. Lawyer and G.P. Kids get a ruling of manslaughter because you were blessed with the brightest jury ever. Now S.B. Lawyer and G.P. Kids file a lawsuit and take everything you and your loved ones have. So the outcome is that King Midas Redneck Pistolero Coyboy Reckless Redneck tried to do the right thing and save a little money and in the end S.B. Lawyer and G.P. Kids of G.S. Granny took all his money and freedom.

Yes it's a stretch, but I've seen worse. And if I spend $100 extra a year to avoid telling a muggle jury that I was using a "more dangerous" FMJ to save money and that's why G.S. Granny died when I shot O.J. for attacking me.

SAG0282
December 16, 2006, 04:56 AM
I'm really not seeing any benefit to it, certainly not any benefit that will outweigh the performance limitation and overpenetration risk posed by the FMJ.

Handgun Midas
December 16, 2006, 05:25 AM
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May your hollow-points never clog and over-penetrate into a beloved dog.

mmike87
December 16, 2006, 12:07 PM
kungfuhippie - I find your scenario a little beyond far-fetched! :)

Using your logic, we shouldn't use any ammo at all for self defense. Typically people worry that using hollowpoint ammo will be used against them in court, not the other way around. The famed "He only used hollowpoint ammo because he knew it was more deadly" argument. Now we have the "He only used FMJ ammo because he knew it was more deadly" argument. :confused:

walking arsenal
December 16, 2006, 12:54 PM
King Midas Redneck Pistolero Coyboy Reckless Redneck

You said redneck twice.

kungfuhippie
December 16, 2006, 01:27 PM
That's cause redneck was twice as important:) I put in the disclaimer about being borderline illiterate at times.

Far fetched, yes, but think about all the scumbag lawyers out there that would bring up overpenetration and ask why you had a round ontop that was know to overpenetrate more often that JHP. The "muggle" (thanks springmom) jury of soccer moms types would eat up his words.

MCgunner
December 16, 2006, 01:30 PM
There is no logic good enough to get me to carry ball in an auto, sorry. But, it's my life and I'd rather shoot hollow points.

Jamie C.
December 16, 2006, 05:48 PM
It's true that an attorney is probably going to make an issue of it no matter whether you choose FMJ or JHP.

However, I can also see where carrying both in the same gun is just handing him/her your own head on a silver platter...

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I submit that Mr. Midas wanted to be absolutely sure the he killed whoever he shot, and therefor took steps to guarantee it by loading his weapon with TWO types of ammunition; one that would expand on impact and cause a horrible wound of shallow depth, and the other to make a hole completely through the person it hit."

Having spent a bit of time in court, I can tell you that the above isn't too far-fetched at all... especially in civil court.

Anyway... it's no skin off my nose one way or the other... just passing along an opinion and observation.

J.C.

HannibalTheCrow
December 16, 2006, 07:29 PM
Cycle your ammo often and try only playing with it at the range. I know it is hard to do but setting around the house playing with your gun is not a real good idea anyway. Sooner or later and accident happens and you or someone in your home pays the price. Accident at the range and 999 out of 1000 only you stand a chance of injury or death.;)

GRB
December 16, 2006, 07:37 PM
So what I've taken to doing is chambering a cheap FMJ, and then keeping the mag filled with JHP. This way the only round that gets repeatedly ejected and chambered is cheaply replacable FMJ round that probably has a better chance of feeding with a scuffed nose.

Your logic is fine but only to a point. You should never repeatedly reuse a round that get chambered over and over again as you describe. Scuffing up the nose of the round, by repeatedly chambering it, is negligible in how well it will chamber in a correctly operating modern pistol in good condition.

The problem you will encounter though is the one in which after repeatedly rechambering a round, the bullet will start to become pushed further and further back into the shell casing, actually shortening the overall length of the round. This can, and often does, lead to failures to feed.

It would be a better practice to chamber your regular ammunition each time you load, but make sure to use fresh rounds by about every second or third time, to avoid what I described above. Of course, most rounds can go longer, but if you do it everyday, before you know it, the rounds you keep rechambering become shortened, and cause a hazard to you.

All the best,
Glenn B

Handgun Midas
December 16, 2006, 07:37 PM
try only playing with it at the rangeNo. This is my carry piece. This is the gun that is meant to save my life.
I'm going to dry-fire it as much as I feel is necessary and bond with the weapon.

kungfuhippie
December 16, 2006, 07:40 PM
Thank you Jamie C. for explaining in a more literate fasion my thoughts. (Sad that my dad's an english/journalism teacher and I still can't write down my thoughts very well half the time) The average lawyer is more than willing to bend the facts to win. Their job is to win. Mix your ammo, have an incident and the right lawyer/jury and it could go down. It's possible, not sure how likely.

farlander
December 16, 2006, 11:37 PM
Ammo = Cheap
Hand surgery = Expensive

Jamie C.
December 17, 2006, 12:25 AM
kungfuhippie wrote: Thank you Jamie C. for explaining in a more literate fasion my thoughts. (Sad that my dad's an english/journalism teacher and I still can't write down my thoughts very well half the time) The average lawyer is more than willing to bend the facts to win. Their job is to win. Mix your ammo, have an incident and the right lawyer/jury and it could go down. It's possible, not sure how likely.


You're welcome, KFH... although I think that's the first time I've ever been accused of being literate. :what: :D

Oh, and Handgun Midas... if you ever do find yourself in court after a shooting, I wouldn't advise you to tell that attorney, when he/she asks about you carrying both FMJ and JHP, that you do so because you "dry-fire it as much as I feel is necessary and bond with the weapon", and that doing so chews up your expensive ammo ( which you don't want to have to replace so often). 'Cause I promise you he'll make you look like some sort of raving homicidal lunatic that obsesses over his "weapon". Especially once you explain that "dry firing" is just sitting around "clicking" an empty gun. :uhoh: :p :rolleyes:


J.C.

Old Fuff
December 17, 2006, 12:50 AM
Midas:

I think I'm going to get everyone upset, but... well ... The Old Fuff is pre-tactical... :uhoh:

Sometime back, around 1967 or so, my bedside gun was a Browning Hi-Power, kept with an empty chamber and a magazine loaded with ball ammo.:what:

I later switched to a Government Model .45, and a magazine loaded with 7 rounds of ball.

Over the years I never bothered to worry about what was the latest fad in hollow points.

Right now my bedside blaster is a very un-cool, obviously un-tactical S&W Military & Police loaded with 158grain lead, semi-wadcutters. ('Cuz they shoot to the point of aim).

If somebody should disturb my slumbers I don't think they're going to stick around long enough to check out what the chambers in the cylinder are loaded with, but if in the highly unlikely event I have to pop a cap or two they will probably stay for a lot longer then they planed to... :scrutiny:

Katana8869
December 17, 2006, 12:54 AM
O.J. Simpson with a knife comes at you and you find in necessary to shoot, standing behind O.J. is a wonderful, church going, woman who splits her time between the animal shelter and the orphanage. and your FMJ overpenetrates O.J. and kills the Good Samaritan Granny bystandard.

While I get the point of the above, I would like to toss in a couple of cents for consideration.

1. Even in a self-defense situation, before I discharge my pistol, I have to be sure of my surroundings and what or whom that round is going toward. If Granny is behind O.J., I need to readjust my position and try to get Granny out of the line of fire before dropping the hammer on the Juice. JHP'S can clog or fail to expand, taking on the same penetration characteristics as FMJ. In fact, "IF" your JHP expands at all you have hit the jackpot. Always assume that overpenetration will occur.

2. If you are standing in one place popping rounds at the Juice, you are most likely to become Sushi. Movement rules. Stay out of the bad guys line of attack and counterattack from an angle when someone is charging you.

3. It's not what's in the gun that wins the fight, but how well the operator uses it when it's needed.

Of course no one wants to shoot Granny, but good tactics and situational awareness do more than magic JHP's to keep her upright and washing stray puppies the next day :)

Handgun Midas
December 17, 2006, 03:11 AM
Ammo = Cheap Hand surgery = ExpensiveI suppose you are right, but... what?

explain that "dry firing" is just sitting around "clicking" an empty gunBut my Ruger is not empty when it is dry-fired. That is the very crux of this thread.

Maybe when the big city lawyer asks why my ammo was mixed, I'll just say that it was an accident.
That is unless one of you mugs rats on me. That gonna happen? Huh? Huh? Any songbirds here?

kungfuhippie
December 17, 2006, 04:18 AM
I'll just say that it was an accident.

Now Mr. big city lawyer is gonna portray you as carless with a weapon instead of reckless:neener:

Jamie C.
December 17, 2006, 04:21 AM
But my Ruger is not empty when it is dry-fired. That is the very crux of this thread.
It's "empty" to the effect that there's no live round under the hammer. Otherwise, it's "Target practice" not "Dry firing". ( "Dry" denoting no live round in the chamber. )

Maybe when the big city lawyer asks why my ammo was mixed, I'll just say that it was an accident.
That is unless one of you mugs rats on me. That gonna happen? Huh? Huh? Any songbirds here?

None needed. They'll most likely have a look at your computer and your posts (including the ones in this thread ) on any gun-related forum you're a member of.

So you're basically "snitching" on yourself, right now. :eek: :uhoh: :scrutiny:

Oh, and you wouldn't be the first one that thought "Oh, they'll never find this stuff" and then be bit in the @$$ by it.
Believe me, a "hungry" attorney, chasing both a buck and a reputation, will go to some pretty unbelievable lengths to win a case.

One way or the other, I really think you'd be better off to just pick one... either the JHP or the FMJ... and only carry that as your defensive load.

Oh, and one other thing I just remembered; it's not uncommon for armed robbers and other criminals to have a "mixed load" in their guns when they're caught. Generally because they don't, as a rule, know or care much about ammunition and such. If it'll work in the gun they have, they're good to go.

Wanna take bets on whether or not our theoretical attorney here would try to make a connection between you and that bit of information, if he/she was aware of it?

Then again, why gamble any more than you have to? Life will get tough enough, most likely, if you ever have to use a gun to defend yourself... so why take a chance on making those circumstances even harder when it's not necessary?


J.C.

kungfuhippie
December 17, 2006, 04:29 AM
Hand Gun ...$600
Topping off with Ball ammo to save money...-$10
Cost of a very good defense attorney cause that new young D.A. wants to screw you for protecting your family with mixed ammo...$50,000

Going to jail and losing your house to the dead BG's family.... Not Funny:neener: :neener:

(did I mention the prison sodomy):(

There are somethings in life money can't buy, that why you carry a gun.

jlh26oo
December 17, 2006, 04:38 AM
Especially once you explain that "dry firing" is just sitting around "clicking" an empty gun.

lol that does sound weird when you boil it down to what we're actually doing.

Handgun Midas
December 17, 2006, 05:02 AM
Well, a couple of you guys sure have typed a lot of words about how foolish I am.
I suppose we're in this for the same reason.

If she manages to slip into page two by nightfall, let's let her stay.

*click* *click*

jlh26oo
December 17, 2006, 05:23 AM
At least you didn't say you were carrying in condition 3, in which case you'd not even DESERVE to own a gun.

aaronrkelly
December 17, 2006, 06:29 AM
What I find funny is the guys bringing up the "more dangerous" ammo when referring to the jury's view of FMJ when in reality there was a recent self-defense case that one juror mentioned one of the issues he had was the defendent was using JHP ammunition that police use because it designed to only kill and maim.

Yeah.....apparently you should be using FMJ if your worried about juries....not the other way around. But thats just an ACTUAL case against your theoretical case....what do I know.

Stephen A. Camp
December 17, 2006, 09:52 AM
Hello, all. I sort of think that this thread has run its useful course.

Let's move on to other things.

Best.

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