S&W Model 17 ?


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JMusic
December 14, 2006, 12:59 PM
A friend owns a six inch Model 17 and has had it for years. I was looking at it the other day to see what version. It is a pinned model but normally I see a 17- something inside the frame by the crane. This is what I see. Any help would be appreciated.

Jim

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SaxonPig
December 14, 2006, 01:15 PM
It appears to be a pre-17 or Target Masterpiece. S&W started stamping the model numbers in 1957 and this gun seems to have been made before that time.

ugaarguy
December 14, 2006, 01:37 PM
I concur with SaxonPig, it's a K-22 Target Masterpiece. It also appears to have a wide target trigger and hammer.

Tbu61
December 14, 2006, 01:46 PM
They call it that for a reason... Because it is......

Arguably the BEST .22 Revolver ever made. Mine shoots ragged holes at 25 yards all day long. 5 screw (early) 17's seem to shoot better than later 4 screw models, (in my humble opinion). Better yet, well maintained they last FOREVER.

If you buddy ever wants to sell it, grab it up! Pass it down to the kids, your great-grandchildren will love you for it.

tbu

JMusic
December 14, 2006, 01:47 PM
It does have the double target profile. It also has the S&W logo on the opposite side of mine. I have two(Just aquired a third:neener: ). Any guess to value? I'd say its 95% on blueing and in perfect opperating order. Thanks for the responses. I thought the Combat Masterpieces only came in a 4" barrel?

Jim

ugaarguy
December 14, 2006, 02:07 PM
I thought the Combat Masterpieces only came in a 4" barrel?
That's not a Combat Masterpiece pictured. It's a Target Masterpiece.

A little S&W K-Frame back ground. The K frames started in 1899 with Military and Police Hand Ejector model, aka the M&P. Prior to WWII S&W made a target version of the M&P with adjustable rear sight, and longer bbl. After WWII they offered the M&P as the K-38, K-32, and K-22 Target Masterpiece. They had ajustable rear sights, 6" or 8 & 3/8" heavy bbls, and a partridge type front sight.

After numerous request and special orders from the FBI, LAPD, and others, S&W offered the K-38 Combat Masterpiece, with the same rear sight, a 4" bbl, and a Baughman ramp style front sight (quicker draw from a holster) as a standard production revolver. The K-22 Combat Masterpice was sold as a training companion. I do not know of a K-32 in Combat configuration.

In 1957 S&W switched from names to numbers. K-38 Masterpieces became the 14 (Target) and 15 (Combat). The K-22 Masterpieces became the 17 (Target) and 18 (Combat). I can't remember the year, but not too long after '57 S&W discontinued the 18, and offered the 17 in either Target or Combat configuration. There are known examples of special ordered 14s in Combat configuration and 15s in Target configuration as well. The bbl. length and front sight type are the distinguishing features.

Tbu61
December 14, 2006, 02:15 PM
The "Combat Masterpiece" was a slightly different animal.
Correct, they came in 4" offerings with ramp sights. Equally nice in construction, they provided a cheaper alternative for realistic target practice to folks that carried a .38 or .357 without sacrificing the familiar heft and balance of their service revolver

The K-22 (Mod 17) was a 6" target version with a Partridge sight, often undercut as pictured.

tbu

JMusic
December 14, 2006, 03:34 PM
Thanks guys I was going to purchase the revolver until I looked at it. I returned to my friend and told him I thought he had something special here and should save it for his son. Any idea what they are worth?

Jim

Tbu61
December 14, 2006, 03:40 PM
Rescued mine from a Pawn shop for $300... Really nice shape.
Seen others go for $425-450.

Gunsamerica.com has quite a few for sale. Get an older 5 screw if you can,
(they are usually advertised as such, but look closely at the front of the trigger guard in pictures, you will see the 5th screw there).

Original Diamond grips command a premium, impart a classic feeling.

JMusic
December 14, 2006, 04:15 PM
Looks like I'll have the gun for the weekend. I have two 17's. I think I'll shoot some groups and see if these Target Masterpiece pistols are more accurate. I'll post the targets next week. Thanks everyone.

Jim

XavierBreath
December 14, 2006, 04:25 PM
Any guess to value? Any idea what they are worth?In my neck of the woods, nice original Model 17s sell for $400-450. I would be willing to go an extra $50 for a five screw gun, so I'd call it a $450-500 gun, IF it had the original grips. Loss of the original, numbered grips lowered the value by at least $50.

The Model 17 is a Target Masterpiece as well.

Here's one of mine.
http://www.bayourovers.com/SmithWessonModel17-3withtargets.jpg

JMusic
December 14, 2006, 05:05 PM
He has the original grips. He likes the Pachs better:barf: Go figure.

Jim

Standing Wolf
December 14, 2006, 10:35 PM
Any idea what they are worth?

Whatever the market will bear. I paid $350 for mine, which was made in 1951. I was willing to go as high as $600 for a K-22 in mint condition. Mine is an excellent shooter with signs of holster wear.

He has the original grips. He likes the Pachs better Go figure.

Both the original stocks and Pachmayr rubber grips are hideously ugly and afford the shooter a poor grip. If you want to make the most of the gun's accuracy potential, you're going to need orthopedic stocks made and/or adjusted to fit your hand.

jad0110
December 14, 2006, 10:43 PM
The Model 17 is a Target Masterpiece as well.

XavierBreath is quite correct, in that even post Model 17 and 18s are still known as K-22 Target and Combat Masterpieces respectively. I think a lot of K-22 17 and 18 owners are pretty pleased to know this.

BTW, you need to tell your friend that if he leaves the Pachs on his K-22 that the whole universe will impload :barf: .

Here's a pic of my 99% K-22/Model 17 no dash that I picked up on Gunbroker a few weeks ago, matching grips and all. I'll never let her go!


http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20K22%20Model%2017%2022%20LR/K22_12-1.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q139/jad0110/Smith%20and%20Wesson%20K22%20Model%2017%2022%20LR/K22_12.jpg

Tbu61
December 15, 2006, 12:25 AM
Pachmayers on a 5 screw Masterpiece?
I would rather wrap it with Duct tape or an Ace bandage!

Seriously now, it's like drawing a mustache on the Mona Lisa or serving a Martini with a lifesaver instead of an olive.

You can find Diamond Magna's on E-bay if you look hard enough.
They are comfy (to me) and design-original.

tbu

Jim K
December 15, 2006, 11:00 AM
Warning, nitpick coming up! The squared off target sight is called a "Patridge" sight after E.E. Patridge, the target shooter who developed and promoted it. Some people are named "Partridge", the same as the game bird, but E.E. Patridge was not one of them.

Jim

JMusic
December 18, 2006, 07:21 PM
As promised I shot three pistols for groups. One 17-6 full lug 6", one 17-4 8 3/8's and the Target Masterpiece. The 17-4 shot the best (probably site radius) All shot within 1.5 inches at 25 yds.

Here's pics of the original grips.

Jim

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