Rubber Bullets / Gas Pistol


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armedpolak
December 14, 2006, 02:30 PM
Anyone has any experience with rubber bullets or gas rounds?

Are those available to civilians in USA / Florida?

Just wondering on non lethal option... aka first 3 rounds are gas/rubber.

Thanks!
Armed

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Zero_DgZ
December 14, 2006, 05:01 PM
Unless you have to disperse unarmed crowds on a regular basis or something it sounds like a bad idea. You draw, bad guy draws. You fire a rubber bullet, he fires a lead one.

Bullets say "how d'you do?" to each other as they pass in midair. Whose bullet wins?

frostbiker
December 14, 2006, 05:07 PM
Why take the risk? I honestly would not risk my life, or the life of my family, to something that may or may not stop an attack on our lives. I made the decision long ago when I got my Texas CHL that when it came time to 'go to work', I would pull the trigger until it went *click*. As my instructor informed the class, "You shoot to stop the threat. If the assailant dies as a result, that is an unfortunate circumstance."

I think rubber rounds and gas shot is gimmicky at best when presented to the average public. The real non-lethal rounds that are sold to military and LEO do their job effectively, but you've seen COPS, too. They don't always work when the bad guy is doped up and higher than Jeezus.

Just my .02

crunker
December 14, 2006, 05:08 PM
Even if you shoot a guy with a rubber bullet, you're still using lethal force (in the court, anyway) if it's coming from a gun. So keep in mind that you should use less-lethal force as reluctantly as lethal force.

Here's a place that I've contributed a lot to. There are many specialty sites there.
http://www.f15.com/showthread.php?t=3129

XDKingslayer
December 14, 2006, 05:11 PM
People are continiously here arguing this round's and that round's stopping power and inefficiencies. Everyone agrees on two things. 1 shot stops are preferred and no caliber is gauranteed of doing that.

Given that, why would carry something even less effective?

SniperStraz
December 14, 2006, 05:15 PM
You can get all kinds of things for a .410 revolver, but as far as a defensive round? I've never even seen one. Military and police use special weapons or tac. weapons with special rounds in say .223/5.56 or something like that. Truth be told, rubber bullets are very inaccurate, so it has the potential of becoming a huge risk to your safety. If its just a must have, the only thing I've seen available civilians is in a 12ga. Best of luck, and if you find rubber defensive rounds lemme know, I'd love to play around with 'em.

mikedavis120
December 15, 2006, 04:47 AM
I have been shot with a rubber bullet from a police issue shotgun... ouch. Thats all i have to say. I do know that i wasn't high as Jeezus but i didnt go down right away. I did get a 6 inch wide circular bruise on my abdomen were i was hit.

Stick to lead if your protecting yourself. Glaser sells self defense rounds that hold shot instead of solid lead they work well in numbers ... generally non leathal but painful as Heck.

sparky2726
December 15, 2006, 01:32 PM
I have used alot of them, both in training, and in a work enviroment. They can be effective to stop an aggressive action, BUT I would not trust them against an armed perp. The Defense Technology 23HV, and others, are considered lethel at ranged under 10 feet, and I have seen them penetrate skin at ranges of 20-30 feet. That being said, I also know of one inmate that was shot over 40 times while he was beating the he11 out of another inmate, and would not stop fighting.

On the other hand, some DOC strike force use single .75cal rubber ball rounds in the shotgun when lethel force is called for in a cell block. It is reasonably accurate at ranges occured in a prison, and lethal. To be considered less lethel at close range, they have to be skip-fired.

Would I use a rubber shot type round for SD? HE11 NO. If it was my ONLY choice, I would go with either the single round ball, or the fin-stabilized "baton" round.

Sparky

mp510
December 15, 2006, 09:16 PM
Martin,

So you are looking to arm yourself the way they would back in the Old Country, where the government isn't too keen on the privilage of civilian small arms ownership? Over there, they are limited to shooting rubber projectiles from modified weapons by law, here we get real guns.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=237037


If you are insistant on a less lethal option, there is a number of companies that sell such shotgun loads, and one that makes handgun loads (won't cycle autos).

gandog56
December 16, 2006, 12:01 AM
Bought some rubber bullets for a 40 S&W. Got stupid and said, "With no powder how bad can these be"? Pointed one at my reloading room door, and BAM! Hole through my door. Didn't exit, but if it will go through half a wood door, my gosh!

But if I ever, ever point a gun at a person, it's because I plan to kill him, not chase him away. Sat and watched a cop video with a crazed out PCP user that took multi hits from tasers and bean bag guns and pepper spray, never even slowed him down.

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