[gunnerman78]

this guy today told me that the Russian TT-33 is a stolen copy of the Colt 1911 is he right?

[Jim Watson]

Only in that it has the Colt-Browning link operated tilt-lock.
There are differences in every detail. The TT33 is at a disadvantage with small caliber, steep grip angle, and no manual safety. But it is otherwise well engineered with package lockwork, feed lips in the gun instead of the magazine, and simplified contouring to cut manufacturing costs. They look kind of rough but are serviceable in the Soviet tradition of "better is the enemy of good enough.

[XavierBreath]

this guy today told me that the Russian TT-33 is a stolen copy of the Colt 1911 is he right?He is wrong. The TT-33 is a neat weapon in it's own right though, with some interesting inovations as mentioned by Mr. Watson.

[VA27]

I like the Tokarev. Slim and fairly compact, think of it as a 32 magnum semi-auto.

[Cosmoline]

Now you just need a PPSh-41 to go with it!

[Onmilo]

The TT-33 uses a simpler and easy to machine barrel, the trigger group is modular and easier to repair or replace than the 1911 design.
The grips are retained by spring clips which are easier to manufacture and remove four seperate screw bushings from the manufacturing process.

A closer to the 1911 design would be the original TT-30 which featured the more complicated barrel machining and seperate mainspring housing/backstrap of the 1911 design

[Manedwolf]

I thought it was more derived from the Browning 1903, wasn't it?

1903

http://www.loni.hr/browning/brow1903/fn_1903_top.jpg


Tok:

http://orbat.com/site/wilson/Soviet/small%20arms/tt33a.jpg

[Gordon]

Actually I think the trigger group was stollen from a Swiss patent, the gun has some Petter patent items and the Browning locking system. I have a Yugo Tokagypt in 9mm, and it is a very rugged and useable CCW gun IMHO

[max popenker]

I think the trigger group was stollen from a Swiss patent, the gun has some Petter patent items and the Browning locking system
only that Petter patent (and French pistol built on it) appeared in 1935, five years after the Tokarev ;)
In fact, the first pistol to have en-block hammer/sear unit was the Mauser C96 ;)

[antsi]

What does he mean, "stolen?"

As in, 'the manufacture of Tokarevs was in violation of patent law?'
Don't know - I am not familiar with the international patent laws of the 1930's.

As in, 'some features of the Tokarev are derived from similar features of the 1911?'
In this case, just about every semiauto ever made since 1912 is "stolen" from the 1911.

Either way, why does it matter?
Then, the Tokarev was a serviceable pistol for the Soviet armed forces, cheap and easy to manufacture.
Now, Tokarevs are an interesting milsurp pistol that can be obtained by gun enthusiasts for a reasonable price and provide inexpensive shooting fun - or could be used for self defense if necessary.

Then or now, your buddy is expressing an idea that is totally devoid of meaningful content.

[kokapelli]

I had two in 9mm and loved them, but they were Norinco and only built to last (according to Noinco) for 2000 rounds.

I put way more than 2000 trouble free rounds through each of them, but they did finaly wear out.