Help me win a bet about CCW in a bank...


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ceetee
December 16, 2006, 09:22 PM
Mrs. Ceetee was absolutely aghast earlier that I would go into a bank while armed. She's "absolutely positive" that CCW in a bank is against the law. Banks are not on the list of places restricted per Florida Statutes. If I can show her some kind of legitimate source that says it's legal to carry in a bank, I stand to win enough to buy a few boxes of premium ammo at the least...

I figure if the knowledge is available, here's where I'll find it. Anybody know where I can find the information I'm looking for?

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Outlaws
December 16, 2006, 09:24 PM
You are looking for a bank that does or does not have a sign posted outside.

Delta608
December 16, 2006, 09:40 PM
I figure if the knowledge is available, here's where I'll find it. Anybody know where I can find the information I'm looking for?


Nothing in TITLE XLVI CRIMES Ch.775-896 that prevents it..However, if you really want to POSITIVE about winning or loosing your bet...You need to check your City/County Ordinance, those laws can be more restrictive than the FSS....If you remember Arizona was a open carry state, but not in TOMBSTONE :what: :what:

benminer
December 16, 2006, 09:51 PM
You're going about this all wrong. Laws don't say what's legal they say what is illegal. If she can't find something that says it's against the law then you win.

230RN
December 16, 2006, 10:01 PM
Benminer spoke:

You're going about this all wrong. Laws don't say what's legal they say what is illegal. If she can't find something that says it's against the law then you win.

+1

Thank you. I was about to say something similar about the backwards cigol.

WELCOME ABOARD ! :)

crunker
December 16, 2006, 10:24 PM
As a bank is private property, the owner will have to be cool with CCW in most states.

rmmoore
December 16, 2006, 10:42 PM
crunker, that's not necessarily true. If a private property owner does not want CCW on his property, he has to post a notice to that effect. Once he's done that, it meets the standards of a restricted carry area. If he wants to push it through the legal system, it's "almost" the same as carrying in a Post Office, Courthouse, ect. It all depends on the State's definition of Restricted Carry Area and whether it specifically addresses penal issues for private property violations. But in most states, he does have that right. Frankly, if someone wants to advertise a holding pen for sheeple, be my guest. I just won't be part of the menu for the wolves that come searching! Further, as much as his decision would chaf me, I don't want the Government telling him, me, or anyone else what we can and can't do on OUR OWN property!!!! So, I can live with him posting his decision, I just choose not to visit or do business there. Oh yeah, and be sure to TELL the manager, face to face, handwritten, or phone (NO email), WHY you won't be spending your money there. It does actually matter to most business'. Don't waste your time with Walmart, most of their labor pool wouldn't know the difference anyway, and those that would/do notice, don't care. Besides, if someone can see it, it's not CCW and defeats the point anyway :D .

hockeybum
December 16, 2006, 10:44 PM
my dad always carries into banks in florida... he has his CCW and everything, and the couple of times ive asked him about it he said yeah, you can walk into a bank with it.

dogrunner
December 16, 2006, 10:55 PM
RMM. Its not illegal in Florida to carry into a banking institution. If you are discovered and asked to leave you must. Should you refuse you could then be charged w/armed trespass, a felony in Fla., BUT banks themselves are not on the list of prohibited carry locations. Also,signs in Florida have utterly no force of law as they do in some States

michiganfan
December 16, 2006, 11:29 PM
My understanding is that it is aginst the law to carry in an actual federal reserve bank eg. the federal reserve bank in Atlanata ,Philladelphia, New York Chicago etc..

joab
December 16, 2006, 11:43 PM
Florida does not prohibit carrying in banks.
As was mentioned before if the law doesn't say you can not then you can.

Posted signs in Florida have no legal weight.
A business can put all the signs they want and all it does is show which side of the 2A fence they are on.

If they find that you are carrying and want you to leave you must, whether they have a sign or not

Sorry dogrunner didn't see your post

Shootcraps
December 17, 2006, 12:00 AM
Show here the Florida concealed carry law and point out that it doesn't list banks as a restricted place. Virginia doesn't restrict it either. Love it.

SMMAssociates
December 17, 2006, 04:40 AM
Here in OH, unless a bank is posted or otherwise restricted by their owners, it's fine....

(We have some other silly laws, though....)

WARNING - off topic

However, there are no restrictions on signage except "conspicuous", and all they really have to do is tell you. They can also post their parking lots.... (This applies to any criminal-friendly business.)

(We are also locked out of municipal buildings (buildings we paid for :cuss: ) as well as Highway Rest Stops and Turnpike Service Plazas. Same for things like prisons, courthouses, and police stations. And the ever popular "decent restaurants".... - restaurants that serve alcoholic beverages. :fire: )

back on topic....

I believe that the confusion has to do with the very few Federal Reserve Banks, which are generally not open to the public anyway.

Regards,

baz
December 17, 2006, 09:52 AM
Show here the Florida concealed carry law and point out that it doesn't list banks as a restricted place. Virginia doesn't restrict it either. Love it.Ditto here in AR. I carry into banks all the time. There are banks here that post signs against CCW, and I won't do business with them. One of them is in the lobby of a downtown office building where I do business once in a while, but not all doors of the building are posted with the sign, just the door nearest the bank facilities in the lobby; so I enter the building through another door that isn't posted.

ceetee
December 17, 2006, 10:26 AM
Thanks for all the replies. I kinda knew I was going to be stuck in a positioon of trying to prove a negative. I've already shown her the list of places that are prohibited per statute, and she just said "No, it's not a Florida law, it's Federal..."

Seeing as how she won't want to pay out, I'll have a hard time getting her to try to do a search for a law that says it's not legal. I was hoping there was a reputable source (Gutmacher's or somesuch) I could look up online to show her and win the bet...:D

Shootcraps
December 17, 2006, 10:31 AM
All of our laws are available online. Just look up the USC.

Novus Collectus
December 17, 2006, 10:34 AM
Believe it or not, I found a case on these grounds here in MD that may not be of import to you, but will probably help you win your bet.

I was looking up on Lexisxnexis for something for a class paper aned I came accross a case where an idiot walks into a bank here in MD with a cap and ball revolver that wasn't even loaded, but it was concealed (someone saw the handle and called the cops). They did not charge him with anything to do with carrying a pistol into the bank so I am sure if there was such a law in MD, then they'd tried charging him for it.

Now here's how this may help you. Get onto Lexisnexis or a caselaw search that exists for Florida and do a search for cases such as yours to see what the court precedent is. If the records go back long enough, then there is bound to be a case where someone was at least charged and was either aquitted or it was taken to trial.

armoredman
December 17, 2006, 10:48 AM
It is not illegal to carry in any financial institution, per se, in this state. They are private businesses, (including the Federal Reserve Bank!), and are subject to the laws of thier state, city, etc. Here in AZ, (yes, Tombstone is also open carry, now, Delta), any business wishing to keep thier customers defenseless must post a sign at the doors, size and type not specified. Or, they may take note of a customer carrying, and request them to leave, or secure thier weapon in their vehicle. I have carried open into a few differant banks here in Southern AZ, and one time spent some time discussing favorite loads with the teller.
One big misconception was that a bank is Federal property - that is NOT true. A bank may be Federally insured, (FDIC signs everywhere), but is still, private property. Not one single bank is federal property. The mints are, and Fort Knox certainly is, but Wells Fargo and Citibank? Nope.
Check your state and local laws, and see if they slipped something in specifically addressing financial insitutions.
SMMAssociates, I certainly hope you are locked out of prisons with a firearm. Stating that shows you have no idea about prison, thankfully. Also, here in AZ we now have a safe storage law, requiring government buildings to provide easily accessable safe storage for firearms for legally armed citizens entering and exiting the building. Not the same as allowing unrestricted carry, but i don't see that happening anytime soon.

SMMAssociates
December 17, 2006, 01:17 PM
SMMAssociates, I certainly hope you are locked out of prisons with a firearm. Stating that shows you have no idea about prison, thankfully.

Armoredman:

I sure do.... I'm an old rent-a-cop. Been all over the local jails, and while I've managed to stay out of prisons (both as a visitor and an inmate :neener: ), I used to hang with (on CompuServe) a couple of CO's....

Prisons are about the only place where I agree with the restrictions in OH law....

Courthouses and Police Stations (including, of course Sheriff's Departments) make some kind of sense, too, unless you've got a CHL, IMHO. A buddy of mine, now deceased, was with the local PD. For some reason he ended up being the only one legally armed in Judge's chambers one afternoon when somebody's mother decided to contest her good old boy's sentence with a firearm. She left in a body bag.... This guy used to manage to lock his gun in the Captain's Office and not be able to get it to take home....

While I'm a little concerned about the "emotions" issue in a Courthouse or PD, unless the building is sterile, the above can happen. (A lot of such facilities are guarded by one guy and a metal detector, too. Lotta good that does in many cases.... Another friend of mine managed to carry a Chief's Special in an ankle holster right into the sterile area of an airport. Nobody noticed.... No foul - he was a working LEO there on duty - but....)


Also, here in AZ we now have a safe storage law, requiring government buildings to provide easily accessable safe storage for firearms for legally armed citizens entering and exiting the building. Not the same as allowing unrestricted carry, but i don't see that happening anytime soon.

Pennsylvania does that, although compliance hasn't been too great in some areas. I'd like to see it as a requirement anyplace that's posted. That'd get a lot of those signs off the walls.... :cool:

Here in OH we have a long ways to go, but the CHL has only been in effect for just under 3 years, and the criminal-friendly governor who demanded many of the poison pills will be term-limited out the door in a few days. Anybody's guess how long it's going to take to get rid of some of the other stuff. "Plain Sight" was so silly that even the Democrats voted to kill it, giving the Governor the first veto override since the 70's.... Most of the rest of the goofy stuff sounds "reasonable" :cuss: if you've never carried and don't want other people to do so.

Regards,

romma
December 18, 2006, 10:56 AM
It is not illegal to carry in banks. Only to rob them while you are carrying. That is most states anyways...

zoom6zoom
December 18, 2006, 11:05 AM
Yeah, around here it's the banks that are posted that get robbed the most. Maybe time to wake up, Wachovia?

isa268
December 18, 2006, 07:14 PM
you bet for a box of ammo??

why didn't i think of that when my GF thought it was illegal to walk past that non-30.06 sign in downtown Houston Texas.

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