Pics of Rusty Colt Detective Special: Let me know what you think?


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GunNut
December 17, 2006, 07:27 PM
I posted about this at the end of the week and figured that I would start a new thread to show pics and get everyones opinions. If I'm overreacting let me know.

I bought this Colt Detective Special on Gunbroker with the understanding that it was in excellent condition and paid top dollar for it($380OTD).

This is how the add described the gun "Bluing in Great Condition. Very light fading on right side of trigger guard."

When I received the gun I was immediately disappointed by the spots of rust. After cleaning off the oil, it just kept getting worse.

So I posted here and e-mailed the dealer expressing my disappointment, and promised pictures. The dealer has promised to make it right, we'll see what that means once he receives the gun.

So here are the pictures.

Steve

While not the worst looking area, i'm kind of wondering if there was pitting and it was fixed and cold blued. There is a distinct line on the top strap where the bluing changes and it appears kind of pitted.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/IMG_0060.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/IMG_0056.jpg

The rest of these will be just various spots on the gun with rust.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/IMG_0045.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/IMG_0048.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/IMG_0050.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/IMG_0052-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/IMG_0053.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/IMG_0054.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/IMG_0059.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/IMG_0047-1.jpg

Needless to say that i am not happy, and will have a hard time buying a blued gun from an internet dealer again. I had the same sort of problem with a HK P7M8 that i bought, but didn't complain about.

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MCgunner
December 17, 2006, 07:32 PM
I'd never buy a used, no warranty gun on the net. I wanna pick it up, cycle it, check for play in the cylinder, yadda, yadda, yadda. In fact, I like to check out NEW revolvers this way before I commit. I'll either get one with some slop or a timing issue or something and bargain the price down with it, or I'll get a well timed, tight gun for the money. I won't pay too much for a gun with an obvious problem and this includes rust or bluing wear. Pictures can cover a lot of blemishes and you can't check out the works over the net.

dfariswheel
December 17, 2006, 07:35 PM
The rust looks very new.
Is it possible it got wet and rusted during shipping?

GunNut
December 17, 2006, 07:46 PM
dfariswheel,

I was kind of wondering that myself. He really lubed up the gun and wrapped it in bubblewrap. I've always worried about plastic on the gun, especially when shipping it anything but overnight.

The gun was very cold, which to me usually creates moisture.

I don't know for sure, but what would you do now?

Steve

Vern Humphrey
December 17, 2006, 07:52 PM
There is an old saying, "Self defense is a civic duty." If we, the buyers, will not enforce standards on the internet, there will be no standards. You must stand up for your rights, not only for your own sake, but to protect the rest of us.

You need to complain to the seller, and if you get no satisfaction there, go to the website and see if they have a complaint process. If you get no satisfaction there, come back here and name names -- who cheated you, what their response was, what Gunbroker's response was and so on.

GunNut
December 17, 2006, 07:58 PM
Vern,

The dealer went so far as to call me concerning the problem. So I'm pretty sure there will be no serious issues, but of course if there are it will be taken care of by all means necessary.

I've bought a ton(30+) over the internet and 90%+ were used, and i've had 2 issues so I still give people the benefit of the doubt.

Steve

k217sc
December 17, 2006, 08:04 PM
Have the revolver hardchromed :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/k217sc/Hardchrome-after2.jpg

GunNut
December 17, 2006, 08:06 PM
k217sc,

I'd love to, but should I start with a gun that cost almost $400?

I wonder what would be a fair price for the gun in this condition?

I'm going to have at least $25-50 into return shipping.

Steve

Jim March
December 17, 2006, 08:09 PM
What MCGunner said. But y'all knew that :).

I would make an exception only for Freedom Arms revolvers, or a gun that's been customized by a reputable gunsmith AND is stainless.

Vern Humphrey
December 17, 2006, 08:14 PM
The dealer went so far as to call me concerning the problem. So I'm pretty sure there will be no serious issues, but of course if there are it will be taken care of by all means necessary.

I've bought a ton(30+) over the internet and 90%+ were used, and i've had 2 issues so I still give people the benefit of the doubt.

I've bought many guns on the internet -- and never really had a bad one. So there's a flip side to my advice -- if the dealer makes it right, speak up and tell us about. Just as crooked dealers should be exposed, so should honest ones be publicized.

plexreticle
December 17, 2006, 08:15 PM
I think your could clean this up and have it barely show.

bpisler
December 17, 2006, 08:27 PM
I would check the internals,with rust like
that on the hammer i wonder what shape
the guts are in.

k217sc
December 17, 2006, 08:27 PM
k217sc,
I'd love to, but should I start with a gun that cost almost $400?
I wonder what would be a fair price for the gun in this condition?
I'm going to have at least $25-50 into return shipping.

Steve

Steve, I concur that your cost factor is reaching (if not reached) the prohibitive stage. I was lucky with mine...was nickle plated, about 65% finish remaining with some rust stains showing and I got it for less than $280.00. Had Virgil Tripp refinish it just a few months before he quit handling revolvers. I would guess that your gun, as is, would run about that much in my area...maybe $300-ish.

Greg

Gewehr98
December 17, 2006, 08:52 PM
(Which should clean up just fine, try some brass wool or even 0000 steel wool wetted with gun oil and a light touch) I'd take that Colt off your hands for what you paid for it. It looks like it got cold and entered a warm humid environment for a day or so, and condensation on non-oiled parts started working. ;)

GunNut
December 17, 2006, 09:14 PM
(Which should clean up just fine, try some brass wool or even 0000 steel wool wetted with gun oil and a light touch) I'd take that Colt off your hands for what you paid for it. It looks like it got cold and entered a warm humid environment for a day or so, and condensation on non-oiled parts started working.

I may end up trying that, but want to make sure if that is the consensus first.

Steve

Jim K
December 17, 2006, 09:17 PM
Hi, GunNut,

Even if you can clean up the gun, that is not the point. It sounds to me like the seller may have been trying to word weasel ("the blue IS perfect, there are just lots of places where there isn't any"), or maybe he thinks it is really OK. But that is not really up to the seller to decide, it is up to the buyer.

FWIW, I can't be sure, but some places it looks like that gun may have been polished and reblued. If so, the rust was probably a lot more extensive and what is left is just the deepest part. I would certainly make every effort to get your money back and return the gun.

Jim

GunNut
December 17, 2006, 09:19 PM
Jim,

Point taken, I too think that there may have been a more serious rust issue that was "fixed" previously.

Steve

MutinousDoug
December 17, 2006, 10:46 PM
That "light fading" on the right side trigger guard is pitting that I see elsewhere on other of your pics as well; there seems to be pitting on the frame below the crane as well. The other rust looks like minor surface (maybe via handling). I would interpret the gun as having been mis-represented. Not a bad specimen though. I can't speak as to value.

Standing Wolf
December 17, 2006, 11:00 PM
"Bluing in Great Condition. Very light fading on right side of trigger guard."


In plain English: those are lies.

dfariswheel
December 17, 2006, 11:36 PM
In this case, I'd return the gun to the seller and get out of the deal as best you can.
Since the gun is NOT in the condition he described, he should pay for shipping.

It's possible for a gun to rust quickly, but since pistols usually have to go by the fastest manner, I'd question if it could rust that bad, that fast.

GunNut
December 18, 2006, 12:51 AM
dfariswheel,

I agree, I'm going to get out of it even though i really do like the gun.

It was shipped priority mail which took 4 days, but that is not my problem.

Thanks,
Steve

isp2605
December 18, 2006, 08:53 AM
It was shipped priority mail which took 4 days, but that is not my problem.
You sure you want to tell that story?

rustymaggot
December 18, 2006, 09:10 AM
the rust isnt bad at all. ask for 20% of the total price refunded and keep it.

here in cali its a 10 day wait, and many dealers dont give a hoot about your gun since they make very little on the transfer. my buddy got a rifle transfered and the barrel was covered in rust when it came out of the safe. wasnt like that when it went in. maybe the rust happened when it was in the care of the gunshop that did the transfer.

redfisher43
December 18, 2006, 11:47 AM
I'd be going for a full refund, including shipping. Might have to eat the shipping in the end, but I'd ask. The gun was misrepresented.

GunNut
December 18, 2006, 11:53 AM
Quote:
It was shipped priority mail which took 4 days, but that is not my problem.
You sure you want to tell that story?


So I posted here and e-mailed the dealer expressing my disappointment


isp,

Dealers can legally ship via Priority Mail.

Steve

GunNut
December 21, 2006, 12:22 PM
Just wanted to update you guys.

I sent the dealer a e-mail with a link to this post, he couldn't believe how brutal some of you were to him:evil:

I've decided to keep the gun and get a fairly large chunk of money back.

I really started to love the little gun, and figured that I could live with some of the character issues just not for close to $400.

I'm now fairly sure that if need be i can get my initial investment out of the gun.

Thanks for your help and have a Merry Christmas,

Steve

CZ.22
December 21, 2006, 12:33 PM
Duracoat it.:D

dbarale
December 21, 2006, 01:18 PM
Glad you decided to keep it, now you have a really nice carry gun...

g17
December 21, 2006, 02:02 PM
looks like a really clean revolver that was exposed to some moisture (perhaps a non de-humidified safe) and not cared for appropriately afterwards.

GunNut
December 21, 2006, 02:44 PM
Thanks for the encouragement.

Yes, I would say some of the newer rust was from 4 days in USPS care with the gun wrapped in bubble wrap in a plastic box.

I'm working on removing it and stopping the rust. I know that i'm going to have some white spots that will have to be cold blued though.


Yes, this little thing would make a great ccw gun, but that roll is currently held by my Glock 26. I don't see the Detective Special taking it's place anytime soon.

If I keep the gun long term(I don't have a good track record:D ) I may send it off for hard chroming.

Steve

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