Canadian women want to CCW...


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Autolycus
December 18, 2006, 09:10 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2006/12/18/gun-women.html?ref=rss
Gun group wants women to fight for permits
Vancouver school trustee featured in campaign for right to carry concealed guns
Last Updated: Monday, December 18, 2006 | 8:43 AM PT
CBC News

A national firearms lobby group is urging Canadian women to obtain concealed gun permits in the United States and then use those permits to seek the same right in Canada, in order to protect themselves and reduce crime.

"Women will be able to protect human life from criminal violence," David Tomlinson, president of the National Firearms Association, told CBC.ca in an interview on Monday.

Canadian law does have a provision for certain individuals to carry a gun, Tomlinson noted. "But if a woman applies for one she is absolutely guaranteed that she will be refused one regardless of the circumstance," he said.

"What we want to see happen is a sorting out of the unholy mess that government has made of law in this area," Tomlinson said from his office in Edmonton.

"The problem with gun control is that it has no effect on violent criminals," he said.
Vancouver NDP activist the face of the campaign

Vancouver school trustee Sharon Gregson posed with her handgun on the cover of the latest issue of the Canadian Firearms Journal, as part of the campaign for concealed weapon permits.
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The NDP activist told CBC News she has qualified for a concealed firearm carry permit in Utah a permit that's valid in 30 U.S. states. However, the permit is not valid in Canada and Gregson wants the law changed.

"I have sent the prime minister an e-mail to say that I find it curious that, as a woman, I'd be allowed as a visitor into the United States, I'd be allowed to carry a weapon a concealed firearm to protect myself and my children but that I don't have that same right in Canada," she said.

Aim is to deter criminals, group says

Sheldon Clare, president of the NFA in British Columbia, told CBC News his group believes that arming even a few women in Canada will deter assailants.

Allowing women to carry guns, he said, will send a message to would-be criminals that "what they might perceive as formerly defenceless women might now not be so easy of a target."

Gregson also noted that she might be the only school trustee in Vancouver with a gun.

"I'd put money on it," she said. "There aren't a lot of people on the left who are pro gun. Put it that way."

Currently in Canada a federal handgun registry remains in place, as do bans on automatic and assault weapons.

However, Stephen Harper's Conservative government has introduced legislation to abolish the long-gun registry.

Last June, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day introduced a bill to amend the Criminal Code and Firearms Act so that owners of non-restricted rifles and shotguns will not have to register their weapons.

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bclark1
December 18, 2006, 09:12 PM
Is the joke so obvious that it's not worth making?

...Somebody's gotta wear some pants up there!

No offense to any present company of course. I'd say the same thing if it were in Hollywood or MA.

Standing Wolf
December 18, 2006, 11:20 PM
Somebody's gotta wear some pants up there!

I believe there's a difference between wearing and filling.

In full seriousness: commoners' lives are worth nothing in socialist paradises, so commoners have no legal right to defend themselves.

Lucky
December 19, 2006, 02:44 AM
Yea we're pretty surprised, and for once it's a good surprise! Not only is she NDP - socialists, she was also interviewed on CBC - state socialist radio, and it ran nationally. CBC is usually so anti-gun pro-liberal you can taste it, I believe that the interview will be online tomorrow, so I'll try and download it.

MD_Willington
December 19, 2006, 12:56 PM
Surprising... You bet.


bans on automatic and assault weapons.


This isn't entirely true is it?

VZ-58S are available for sale in Canada... And certain licensed collectors can own machineguns etc.

LAR-15
December 19, 2006, 04:10 PM
I don't think you can even hunt with a handgun in Canada, much less use one for self defense.

Lucky
December 19, 2006, 04:56 PM
Does anyone have a way to change real-media to a different type of file? Her interview is here, I'm told:

http://www.cbc.ca/clips/rm-audio/bc-guns-061218.rm

About banned firearms, it seems that if it ever appeared in a movie it was added to the list. Seriously. And things based off things that are banned are also banned - eg Dragunov is banned because it's based on the AK action:banghead: !

Luckily Service Rifle competitors fought hard and we kept AR15.

There are different forms of Authorization to Transport (ATT). Most common for civilians is for carry in nature of handguns, for trapping or prospecting. Ironically, most admit that carrying a handgun for predator defence is likely a placebo. A shotgun could be carried without the ATT, but unloaded.

Armoured truck drivers and others who work with money can get ATT's, but you have to wear a uniform - just so jewelry store owners don't try and arm themselves.

People with a 'legitimate' fear for their safety can apply too, but the general policy seems to be that if you're not dead by the time they reply to you you don't need it.

The general crime levels, by current bureaucratic interpretation, cannot be used to justify fear - it must be from an identifiable party.

As for using them in self-defence, we've got a right to defend ourselves from grievous bodily harm with the level of force necessary. You can use a firearm or a knife or a log, it doesn't matter. Your collection might be rummaged through afterwards though, because if you have a firearm accessible in a crisis the odds are that you're not following the safe-storage laws - which are designed to prevent just that.

MD_Willington
December 19, 2006, 04:57 PM
You can use a handgun for self defense in Canada, as long the person attacking you is really hell bent on killing you and in your own home.

There is a post on the forums here that links to a website in Canada that describes this.

LAR-15
December 20, 2006, 12:38 PM
There are different forms of Authorization to Transport (ATT). Most common for civilians is for carry in nature of handguns, for trapping or prospecting. Ironically, most admit that carrying a handgun for predator defence is likely a placebo. A shotgun could be carried without the ATT, but unloaded.

You mean you can get a permit to carry to defend yourself from bears but not from people?

MD_Willington
December 20, 2006, 05:36 PM
Yep... but we used to carry a 870 in the bush... I saw a S&W revolver before when I had to pick up a truck from the Ministry of Environment... the guy I picked the truck up from said he preferred a 12 gauge in the bush. At least we were thinking on the same level there...

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