Argentine cavalry carbine 1909


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jimmyraythomason
December 19, 2006, 04:20 PM
Please disregard this thread. Thanks, Jimmy

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jimmyraythomason
January 18, 2007, 11:14 AM
As I earlier said, I have bought this Argentine Mauser 1909 Cavalry Carbine. I was told that it was in 6.5x55 Swedish cal. Since I wasn't sure (I believed it to be 7.65) I posted to this forum asking about it and got NO responses. The reason I got no responses was because there is no such animal. The carbine is in fact a 7.65x53. I have learned that this particular arm was made in Argentina by F.A.M.P. around 1951/52, S.N 004xxx. Since there were only about 19,800 of these made between 1947 and 1962, it is not a common firearm. The metal is in excellent condition with no rust or pitting but the stock has been "bubbahed" beyond recognition. My question is this,should I get an original stock and hardware to restore it or convert it to .308 cal for deer hunting? The 7.65x53 is too expensive and hard to find for regular use. Whadda ya think?

jimmyraythomason
January 18, 2007, 11:20 AM
NEVER take someone elses word as to a rifles caliber, if there is ANY doubt, do a cast of the chamber!:o

Cosmoline
January 18, 2007, 03:03 PM
The stocks for those are going to be very hard to find. Also, are you positive the metal hasn't been hacked as well as the wood? A photo would tell a great deal if you can post one.

Harry Paget Flashman
January 18, 2007, 05:52 PM
AimSurplus is advertising Prvi Partizan ammo in 7.65 Argentine for $8.95/box of 20.

Cosmoline
January 18, 2007, 05:56 PM
It's also easy to make out of other Mauser family cartridges. .312" bullets work fine for it.

jimmyraythomason
January 19, 2007, 01:51 AM
Cosmolene: none of the metal appears to have been molested at all,of course all the barrel bands and other stock hardware is missing. Flashman: is that ball ammo? The only soft point ammo that I found was Norma @ $30+ per 20rds. PS, I don't hand load. I have always wanted a .308 on a Mauser action and this seems to be a prime candidate unless it is too rare to do that. Thanks for the input.

jimmyraythomason
January 19, 2007, 01:56 AM
Flashman, I just went to aimsurplus site and found the ammo. 180 gr. Softpoint for $8.95 per 20. YIPPEEE! Thanks very much for that lead!

Cosmoline
January 19, 2007, 02:09 AM
Re the metal, do the front and rear sights look like this:

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting/1909argentinecarbine/index.asp

I'd just have fun with it shooting 7.65 and keep an eye out for a stock on the collector's boards. It's a great cartridge, every bit as good as the better known Mauser rounds. With the '09's you should have great results with standard Argie ball and loads with moderate weight spitzers. Personally I would not swap it to .308 because everybody has a .308. But if you do go with a fresh barrel.

Either way, you're blessed with one of the greatest Mauser actions ever made. The '09 is legendary.

hagar
January 19, 2007, 07:45 AM
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jimmyraythomason
January 19, 2007, 10:00 AM
Cosmolene, yes those are the same sights. My carbine was made in Argentina instead of Germany. These are the markings on the left side of the receiver:a) EJERCITO ARGENTINO
MAUSER MOD 1909
D.G.F.M. (F.M.A.P.). I think I will leave it in 7.65 (if there is any decent accuracy at all). I don't believe there is any appreciable difference ballistically between the 7.65x53 and the 7.62x51(at least for hunting purposes). Just price and availability. As you said "everybody" has a .308 so I can get ammo at the local hardware store, not so with the 7.65. I think I'll order a few boxes from Aimsurplus and see what happens. I have put the little carbine on a synthetic sporter stock as the original now resembles a toothpick. :) Thanks for the help,guys. JRT

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