[eddieleon]

Is one case neck turner better than others and why? I will probably turn no more than 500 total in my life.

Better inside or outside?

[John Galt]

Sinclair charges $64 with the pilot required. I'm sure theirs works great.

Midway (and others) sells the Forster Handheld Neck Turner for $50 w/ pilot.
http://www.forsterproducts.com/
Their cutter is carbide.

Check out http://www.varmintal.com/arelo.htm web page on reloading. His web site is very good and his info practical and easy to read.

The K&M Varmint Al talks about is sold by www.kinneman.com which is where I've bought all of my stuff. He sells great stuff and I like supporting a small company.

K&M with all parts. (More than the others). $60. Might be the best deal / quality.

Kinneman also makes his own deluxe version that is about $150 if I understand the pricing...

* I'll likely buy the K&M because:
- Kinneman sells it & Varmint Al uses it.
- Best bargain.
- Comes with power adapter & manual handle.
- It has very fine adjustment.

[swifter]

I think Mr. Galt has a handle on it.:)
I turned necks for years with a Forester, then switched to a Sinclair. Big improvement. The K&M looks a bit better, IMHO. Do get the expander with it, its a great aid to ensuring straight necks.
Tom

[eddieleon]

John,

I have emailed Mr Kinneman and stated my problem. I am sure he will have an answer to my problem. Looks like maybe the Wilson Trimmer and Inside neck reamer.

All of the other sites you recommended were read and will follow this one if nothing comes of it.

Thanks guys for the consideration, if anyone else has another answer please tell me.

[Steve Smith]

Sinclair oughtta work great.

[eddieleon]

Maybe I will find it necessary to use a neck turner. But not now.

The fellow that told me how to make the 303 Savage brass was using Winchester brass. When I made it according to instructions the cartridges would not chamber with a bullet seated due to over sized necks.

Rather than buy something that I would use only a few times I tried the exact same regimen of forming the cases using Remington Brass. Everything works like a champ.

I have loaded 54 years and always read that brass would vary from manufacturer to manufacturer and lot to lot.
The Winchester brass was much thicker than the Remington.
Can you imgine what a hot load in the Remington case with its thin walls would have become in the Winchester brass.:banghead:

God must take care of fools.

[Steve Smith]

Hopefuly you will hang around and read this The brass could be thicker in the neck in a case and thinner somewhere else...don't just go by neck thickness!

If you really want to do a good job of comparing interiors, size both cases (or a group of 10 or 50 each) and then take a volumetric measurement (fill them with water and weight the water). Also have a case or two of each brand cut in half lengthwise. Note where the thickness differences are. Your findings could surpise you!

[eddieleon]

Thank you

I will try this. I have spent probably 20 hours trying differfent things with this confusion. Maybe I jumped to a conclusion that wasn't warranted.

I don't have any more virgin 220 Swift Winchester but I will compare some sized cases.

Ever get something in your head that is like a bunch of hornets that you can't get rid of and keeps buzzing. For some reason this is that type of situation. When I awaken at 0300 my wife says now what is bothering you. I figured that if someone else could make it work, why not me?

[redneck2]

two sources of info..as stated above, Varmint Al's site is really good. If you haven't referenced it yet, you may want to

Fred Sinclair has a really good book on rifle accuracy. http://www.sinclairintl.com. You may want to get on his mailing list.

[Bruce H]

Has anyone tried the Hornaday neck turning setup? Price is very reasonable if they work at all.

[Clark]

I have a Forster neck turning set up.

I can't get an improvment in neck thickness variation with it. So I don't turn my necks.

I really love Forster products in general. One good thing that came from it is that I can trim cases on it. I always hated my RCBS case trimmer, and now THAT is fixed.

I have been getting the varmint level accuracy I want without turning necks, and I would advise against it. Accuracy is trival pursuit, and this neck turning is a dead end for me. I don't get anything from flash hole de burring either, but I still do that, because it isn't time consuming like neck turning.