Full auto price check-MP5


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redneck2
December 20, 2006, 06:58 PM
Have a friend that has a chance to buy a legal supressed and silenced MP-5 with burst and full auto selector. 15 mags, two barrels, tactical case.

I don't need advice on licenses. Need an idea of the value. Thanks

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Outlaws
December 20, 2006, 07:09 PM
In good condition? If I had $20-30k I woudn't even think twice...especially if its a gem.

harvester of sorrow
December 20, 2006, 07:12 PM
As a very general range, somewhere between $12,000 and $17,000. Mostly, it will depend on what type of conversion was done. If it is a registered receiver gun done by adding an autosear but using the host weapon's serial number, it would generally be least desireable. A conversion using a registered autosear, where the sear itself is the registered part and the host weapon is only a host, would fall in the middle of that range. The conversion that is most like a factory full auto gun, and therefore most desireable, would be a registered receiver gun where the front pin hole was drilled in the receiver creating a "registered receiver push-pin" conversion. This type of conversion can use factory HK trigger groups and is typically most expensive.

DoubleTapDrew
December 20, 2006, 07:14 PM
Last I checked (about 6 months ago) they were between $15k and $20k depending on condition, sear/host/trigger pack, etc.

P.S.- Is it factory integrally suppressed (MP5SD)? I thought those are all Post 86, although I suppose there's nothing wrong with a Post 86 upper since it's not the MG part.

I LIKE IT!
December 20, 2006, 07:20 PM
Yup anywhere from 17-23K depending on the coversion. I'm currently at 12k and looking to buy one from Vahn at AutoWeapons.com in about 6-8 months. I'm going for a push-pin gun being a perfectionist that I am. Gotta hurry before hillary gets into office.:uhoh:

zedsdead
December 20, 2006, 07:40 PM
Looks like $17k is the floor, unless you can get a good deal

Scroll down toward the bottom:

http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/html/subguns.html

harvester of sorrow
December 20, 2006, 07:55 PM
Looks like $17k is the floor

Don't confuse asking price with getting price. $17,000 is out of line unless it's a really nice push-pin gun. I know of several MP5s in the $18,000 range that have been for sale for months and haven't sold yet.

MisterPX
December 20, 2006, 08:34 PM
Is it a SD (integral silencer), or an externally attached silencer? Makes a big difference in price. For an MP5 using a reg. sear, bottom dollar is about $13,500. SD's will command a premium, but only to buyers looking for an SD. Reg. rec. guns command less, due to the problem of being a stand alone MG. Check out Subguns and Sturmgewehr for going rates.

Diesel man
December 20, 2006, 08:41 PM
Wow those prices are way out of my league
Why spend almost a quarter of a hundred thousand dollars on a 20 year old gun and having to jump hundred hoops to get it.When you can save your money for a $400-$1000 semi-auto AR or AK.But I guess alot of people like collecting and have lots of money to spend and I feel happy for them.

Outlaws
December 20, 2006, 09:46 PM
Why spend almost a quarter of a hundred thousand dollars on a 20 year old gun and having to jump hundred hoops to get it.When you can save your money for a $400-$1000 semi-auto AR or AK.But I guess alot of people like collecting and have lots of money to spend and I feel happy for them.

Because there is nothing more patriotic IMO than to exercise your 2nd Amendment right to its fullest possible form. -which for most people stops a little short of a jet aircraft with a functional weapon system. :D

DoubleTapDrew
December 21, 2006, 12:42 AM
Why spend almost a quarter of a hundred thousand dollars on a 20 year old gun and having to jump hundred hoops to get it.When you can save your money for a $400-$1000 semi-auto AR or AK
Beacause our government capped the supply of our 2nd ammendment so that's what we have to pay instead of paying $1200 for a MP5SD.

redneck2
December 21, 2006, 06:36 PM
I was asking for a friend of mine. He can get it for $3,500. Now, the immediate thought is "wow...what a screaming deal!!!"

Then I think "what's wrong with this picture?" Everybody that I've met that has Class III is no dummy and knows the law and knows what they bring.

so I start asking questions. Turns out it's post ban, 1986 (IIRC) production, which I have every confidence means LEO only. Too bad. Be kinda fun to buy a full auto, own it for a few months, then make 10k.

Thanks for the help.

Chipperman
December 21, 2006, 07:00 PM
Depends on whether it's Pre-May or Post-May.

Pre-May can be bought and kept as a personal gun by an SOT, but Post may only bought with a CLEO love letter.

crunker
December 21, 2006, 07:39 PM
Greater than $16k.

If you're an SOT though... then that's a whole different ballgame.

redneck2
December 22, 2006, 06:50 AM
Depends on whether it's Pre-May or Post-May.

Pre-May can be bought and kept as a personal gun by an SOT, but Post may only bought with a CLEO love letter.

If he didn't want it and I could legally get it, I'd be on it like white on rice. Neither my friend nor I are any kind of LEO, etc. Sorry to be ignorant, but I assume SOT is Special Operations.

Dunno about the pre-post thing. I was thinking they were banned before that.

Gonna do some more checking. Appreciate all the help. This is one cool toy.

Father Knows Best
December 22, 2006, 07:50 AM
Nope. SOT is "Special Occupational Tax." It means a licensed firearms dealer who has paid the SOT and is therefore permitted to deal in NFA items like machine guns. So, if you are permitted by law to be a dealer in machine guns, you can buy this gun. If the gun is a pre-86 dealer sample, you can even keep it if and when you surrender your license, but if it is post-86 you would have to sell it to another SOT dealer when you surrender your own license.

Thus, pre-86 dealer samples are worth a lot more than post-86 guns. In fact, pre-86 guns usually cost almost as much as "fully transferable" ones. This one has to be post-86 at that price.

MisterPX
December 22, 2006, 12:56 PM
For $3500 I don't think it's a post sample. Those are available at factory new rates, about $900. IT may be a low price on a pre-sample.

crunker
December 22, 2006, 01:51 PM
You've gotta be kidding me, I've never seen a transferable MP5 going for less than $15k in recent times.

Zach S
December 22, 2006, 03:12 PM
Why spend almost a quarter of a hundred thousand dollars on a 20 year old gun and having to jump hundred hoops to get it.
Take a look at registered lightning links and drop in auto sears for an AR15. They're in the 10k neighborhood and the RLL pretty much a piece of sheetemetal, with the RDIAS being a two chunks of metal held together with a roll pin.

Father Knows Best
December 22, 2006, 03:22 PM
<For $3500 I don't think it's a post sample. Those are available at factory new rates, about $900. IT may be a low price on a pre-sample.>

An MP5SD with accessories for $900 new from H&K? I don't think so.

DoubleTapDrew
December 22, 2006, 03:23 PM
Take a look at registered lightning links and drop in auto sears for an AR15. They're in the 10k neighborhood and the RLL pretty much a piece of sheetemetal, with the RDIAS being a two chunks of metal held together with a roll pin.
They both can be made by any 6th grader in shop class. It's that number on it that matches a number in the NFA registry you are paying for :(

<For $3500 I don't think it's a post sample. Those are available at factory new rates, about $900. IT may be a low price on a pre-sample.>

An MP5SD with accessories for $900 new from H&K? I don't think so.
There are some pre and post guns in here: http://www.gunsamerica.com/1257/1257-random-1.htm
Man if I was a SOT I'd be all over that Thompson.

redneck2
December 23, 2006, 04:54 PM
I dunno. Something isn't adding up here. The guy that's selling is a Class III dealer, but he's supposedly offering it to somebody that doesn't have a Class III himself.

Gotta do some more checking.

FWIW...I think he said it's an MP5-K, not SD.

DoubleTapDrew
December 23, 2006, 05:16 PM
The MP5K is a pistol version and AFAIK never had a factory suppressor (I don't think I've even seen one with a suppressor attached, the nub of barrel that sticks out the end is pretty short).

I dunno. Something isn't adding up here. The guy that's selling is a Class III dealer, but he's supposedly offering it to somebody that doesn't have a Class III himself.

Are the initials sewn into his underwear A.T.F? :p

MisterPX
December 23, 2006, 06:25 PM
An MP5SD with accessories for $900 new from H&K? I don't think so.

I don't recall Redneck saying it was an SD ;)

MisterPX
December 23, 2006, 06:30 PM
From Redneck's description, it sounds like you're dealing with an MP5K PDW. The question now, is is it a factory gun, or a conversion? If it's a conversion, has it been made into a reg. rec. gun, or a sear gun? If it's a sear gun, you're in luck, as he can pop out the sear, and now you have a title 1 gun. An SP89 with a can for $3500 ain't that bad.

Spreadfire Arms
December 23, 2006, 07:50 PM
He can get it for $3,500.

it sounds like a post sample MP5-K and a muzzle can (suppressor). the MP5-K's are going for about $2000 brand new on the post-86 market. i dont know which suppressor it is, they range in price from a few hundred to a thousand if it is a Knight's Armament silencer or something exotic.

full retail on fifteen German 30 round curved date-coded mags @ $50 each is = $750.

that ought to give you an idea of where you are at. and i assume your friend realizes it is a post-86 DS so he needs an FFL/SOT and a valid PD demo letter.

redneck2
December 24, 2006, 07:56 AM
OK...that pretty much answers the question. $3,500 would drop in the right price range if it had 2 barrels and all the extra stuff

thanks

MGNiko
December 26, 2006, 01:47 AM
That is definately a sample. To give you real world numbers I picked up 3
MP5's in various configurations over the past 2 months and they were as follows:

MP5SD with a S&H sear $16,250
MP5A3 with a Qualified sear $16,500
MP5K with a Flemming sear $16,750

If you ever get an MP5 let me recommend Gordon for all your parts and accessories: http://www.hkspecialist.net/

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