cz 550 safari and 458 lott?


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hornadylnl
December 20, 2006, 10:43 PM
Was thinking of getting a cz 550 safari in 458 Lott. Do any of you have any experience with the cz 550 American safari rifles or 458 Lott? Are the cz safaris good quality rifles? Thanks

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browningguy
December 21, 2006, 07:46 AM
Lot's of folks in the big bore groups shoot the CZ's. They are decent guns for the price. There were some stock cracking problems but this was fixed by glass beding the rear tang, but almost any factory big bore should be looked at before firing. Most of the big bore shooters understand the need to have the stock really well bedded and maybe even add an extra recoil lug if not already present. They also generally have good triggers.

The .458 Lott is a lot of cartridge, don't know if you have shot one yet but it's definately not a 30-06. I shoot a .458 Win Mag pretty regularly which is tolerable for me, the Lott version is just getting over the limit of what I can shoot well (in the same weight gun). But plenty of people shoot them well in a 10-11 pound gun.

Will Fennell
December 21, 2006, 08:25 AM
I have a client that I helped spec out a custom CZ bigbore in 416 rigby. Great rifle.....I wouldn't hesitate to get one myself if I needed something bigger than my current .375 M70.

We chose the CZ in 416 Rigby.....felt it suited his needs for his African hunts better than the .458, either the Lott or Win Mag. Mainly due to better ammo selection than the Lott, and better ballistics at moderate ranges[less drop] incase he needed to press it into service on plains game while on safari.

Grumulkin
December 21, 2006, 12:20 PM
I have a CZ 550 American Safari Magnum in 458 Lott.

They do have a reputation for stock cracking. I had no trouble with mine in the 100 rounds or so I put through it before having it glass bedded. I like the single set trigger and it has a nice cushy recoil pad that really takes the recoil bite out. I frequently shoot it from the bench with no other special recoil protection. One of my loads with 350 grain bullets will do about 2.5 MOA off the bench. With 500 grain bullets, 3 to 4 inches at 100 yards has been the norm but hopefully I'll be able to improve that somewhat.

I think there can be quite a variation in stock quality in CZs. I got mine at Cabela's (the best price around) and there were 2 to choose from. The stock of one had quite nice figure; guess which one came home with me?

hornadylnl
December 21, 2006, 04:08 PM
How would you compare the recoil on the 458 Lott compared to a 12 gauge Remington premier core lokt ultra slug from a single shot slug gun or a Ruger M77 in 338?

ArmedBear
December 21, 2006, 04:17 PM
A page that might interest you:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

A good quick rundown of recoil, the hows, whys and wherefores.

And I don't think that the .458 Lott will compare favorably with the longarms you mentioned.:evil:

AFAIK it's ballistics are somewhere between .458 Win Mag and .458 Weatherby, I think, which puts the recoil energy somewhere near 3 times the recoil of a .338 Win Mag, at least by the table.

Real-world numbers place that somewhere between "Oh, ****!" and "Ouch! Oh crap, that hurts! Hey, where did my new rifle go?":D

You might want to attach a lanyard to it, so you can find it in the brush after a shot.:p

And make sure to do your rotator cuff exercises.

Grumulkin
December 21, 2006, 05:02 PM
When I shoot my Mossberg 500 12 guage with 3 inch 1 oz slug loads, it hurts. The Mossberg doesn't have a particularly good recoil pad. When I shoot my 458 Lott, it doesn't hurt. I've never shot a single shot slug gun or a 338 Win. Mag. so I can't address those questions. I think the major things that contribute to comfort in shooting the 458 Lott are the weight of the gun and the good recoil pad.

ArmedBear
December 21, 2006, 05:07 PM
That doesn't make much sense.

500 grains are over 1 1/8 oz. and a .458 Lott bullet is going almost twice as fast as the slug. AFAIK recoil energy varies as the square of:

bullet weight x muzzle velocity

with a little thrown in for powder weight, which should be similar, or higher in the shotgun.

What kind of recoil pad are you using?

browningguy
December 21, 2006, 07:25 PM
Armed Bear, he's talking felt recoil. For me at least, a good big bore rifle stock seems to make recoil not feel as bad, and most shotgun stocks don't seem as good at absorbing recoil to me.

But you are right, numbers don't lie and the Lott is a high energy round. The Lott is usually running around 2300 with a 500 gr. load so recoil is probably around 30% more than a Win Mag. I shot a 338 Winny pretty regularly in a fairly light Mannlicher stocked carbine, it wasn't even close to a Lott.

hornadylnl
December 21, 2006, 09:55 PM
I have a Rossi 12 gauge slug gun and was shooting Remington Premier Corelokt ultra slugs. It has a decent recoil pad on it and the barrel is ported. I shot about 17 slugs through it to sight the red dot and the irons in and I was about to cry by the time I got done. It hurt like h***!!. I have a 50 call muzzle loader barrel for it also. I loaded 150 grains of triple 7 pellets with a 200 grain sabot and that didn't have half the recoil of that 12. I'd say it is way worse than the 338 I shot but that has been 15 or more years ago so I can't say for sure. If I remember correctly, I saw somewhere that a 12 gauge slug was supposed to have somewhere around 3-5000 ft.lbs. of energy at the muzzle. It couldn't be that far off from the 458 Lott.

Grumulkin
December 21, 2006, 10:06 PM
Yes, I was referring to felt recoil rather than some theoretical number.

After shooting slugs with my Mossberg 500 off the bench recently, my shoulder had visible bruising for a week or so. That has never happened with my 458 Lott. The recoil pad on the 458 Lott is the standard factory pad and the best I've used.

mete
December 21, 2006, 10:29 PM
Stock cracks - CZ is learning - I've heard that the new CZs in the big cartridges have two crossbolts and are glass bedded !! That' s exactly as it should be for those cartridges !!

zinj
December 21, 2006, 10:40 PM
Man, any rifle that you have to worry about the stock cracking under recoil is not for me! How much muzzle blast do these monster calibers have?

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