WASR 10 AK-47


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ArchAngelCD
December 21, 2006, 02:05 AM
I can buy a WASR AK-47 new from a local dealer for $352. It comes with 2-30 round mags, a bayonet w/holder, flash suppressor, a nice sling, a mag pouch and the usual silly oil can and cleaning kit. This model has a wooden stock and front. I read the WASR AK's are not made that well. Are they worth that price with the stuff that comes with it?

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RevolvingCylinder
December 21, 2006, 02:16 AM
Sure is.

Atlantic Firearms has a deal like that for $439 before shipping and that's the best I've seen lately.

Darkker
December 21, 2006, 02:32 AM
AK's are good for burning-up LARGE quantities of ammo, at no paticular thing, or for any good reason other than something to do. If you want to be able to shoot a minimum of 5,000 rounds without cleaning a gun, buy it, or any AK. The WASR's are exactly what they look like: A Communist Bloc manufactured AK. They are not very well refined, finish isn't good, consistency of parts fitting isn't good. But they are a TRUE AK, meaning It will take an act of God to get them to stop working.

No TRUE AK is well made, Krebs and a few others out there are making "precision" AK's. They aren't made to Mikhail's original design specs, and they will need to be cleaned frequently like an AR.

RevolvingCylinder
December 21, 2006, 02:51 AM
No TRUE AK is well made, Krebs and a few others out there are making "precision" AK's. They aren't made to Mikhail's original design specs, and they will need to be cleaned frequently like an AR.
Yessir. S'all 'bout the tolerances.

ArchAngelCD
December 21, 2006, 03:10 AM
VERY COOL !!!
Even though I'm turning 50 very soon I'm still a big kid who just loves to play!! :neener: I didn't realize that price was so good. He has sold a dozen already @ $352 +Tax ($373 out the door) and has one on the side for me!!! I WILL pick it up in the morning... He has Wolf ammo for $3.10 a box too... I think I'll pick a half case or so with the AK. :evil:

Thank you for the info. I'm very glad I found THR!!!

jagdpanzer347
December 21, 2006, 09:26 AM
ArchAngel, the WASRs are an inexpensive way to get into the AK47 "game". There are a few things to be aware of during your pre-puchase inspection, however. Make sure the front sight assembley is not canted to one side or the other. WASRs are semi-notorious for this. Check the trigger and make sure it says TAPCO USA on it. This ensures you don't get the inferior Century fire control group. Lastly, the WASRs are imported as a single stack magazine weapon. This is why they don't have the dimples on the receiver above the magwell. CAI dremels out the magwell to accept double column mags. Sometimes they get a little overzealous and make it to big. Make sure it isn't really sloppy. Some play is normal. Enjoy your new rifle.

-jagd

rbernie
December 21, 2006, 09:58 AM
Break it down and clean it before you shoot it. CAI leaves all kinds of metal shavings in the works when them hog out the magwell to fit the doublestack magazines.

My last two needed to be hosed out with brake cleaner at length to get all the goombah out, and I still managed to get a 5mm long metal splinter rammed under my thumbnail wiping down the last one.

garrett1955
December 21, 2006, 10:17 AM
Yep tear it down, use some brake cleaner and get the cosmo out of the bolt, and firing pin area. Then shoot away the heat will get a lot of it loose for ya, then give it a good cleaning.


Oh yeah Have fun.

MechAg94
December 21, 2006, 10:51 AM
jagdpanzer described the problems to look for. I can't add much to that. The mag wobble is the only one that could affect reliability, but probably a lower risk than the WASR 2 I bought.

Some WASR's can be decently accurate, but most are probably average at best. For home defense and short range, that likely isn't a problem.

ArchAngelCD
December 21, 2006, 11:30 AM
jagdpanzer347,
Thank you for the information, unfortunately I picked up the rifle before I read your post.

It's a model GP WASR 10. The front sight assembly is straight. It came w/2 double stack mags and the work on the magwell was done surprisingly well. Where do I look to find the TAPCO USA stamp? I don't see it at first inspection! (I hope I didn't get the crap fire control group.)

Thanks again for the info...

SAKOHUNTER
December 21, 2006, 11:42 AM
It should be on the side of the trigger base. If it is not there then I would recommend a http://www.redstararms.com/Red Star Arms adj. trigger. I had bad luck with the G2 FCG in my SAR-1....I had more slap with it than with the Century FCG.

The RSA FCG takes a little while to get fine tuned but once you get it there it is awesome!

MikeH
December 21, 2006, 12:02 PM
Aside from checking FSB cant, do take a look at the gas block as well. If the gas tube is severely canted, it will interfere with the operation of the piston and cause jams.

Many steel magazines wobble on the WASR-10. If this bothers you, try the Bulgarian plastic waffle mags.

Lonestar.45
December 21, 2006, 12:28 PM
I have one. They're not bad. A good way to get into AK's, as someone else said. My buddy and I both bought one at the same time from Aim for $319 last year. I refinished the stocks and they look pretty good now. If you want more info on these, here's the best site I've found:

http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/index.shtml

ArchAngelCD
December 21, 2006, 01:13 PM
Lonestar, I found that site last night. You're right, there is good info there.

The stock was not finished on the one I picked up. I have already rubbed some Cherry stain in and put the first coat of Tung Oil on...:D

1 old 0311
December 21, 2006, 02:36 PM
Try www.classicarms.us

karlsgunbunker
December 21, 2006, 11:12 PM
$352 is pretty good , That rifle sells for $320 wholesale (aimsurplus.com).
That's a reasonable markup on a rifle.

blackhawk2000
December 21, 2006, 11:18 PM
Dunhams runs them on sale for $299 every now and then.

1911JMB
December 22, 2006, 12:04 AM
Make sure you inspect it real well before you buy it. The fit and finish is disgusting, as is the front sight on my buddies WASR. That is why I'm going the convert a Saiga route when I buy an AK in the near future.

ArchAngelCD
December 22, 2006, 03:28 AM
Well, I don't see TAPCO USA stamped anywhere on the gun so I guess I didn't get the good trigger. (unless I'm looking in the wrong place) Good thing is, all the wood came out really GREAT. I didn't get it as "redish" as I wanted it but the Cherry stain I used is rich. I gave it 4 coats of Tung Oil and the wood is done. I'll post a picture tomorrow. I came across a 40 round mag today that cost me only $20. It looks well built and it's all metal. (too bad he only had 1 for sale!!)

ArchAngelCD
December 22, 2006, 03:55 AM
I couldn't wait so I took some pics tonight. Here they are:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/ArchAngelCD/AK01.jpg

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/ArchAngelCD/AK02.jpg

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/ArchAngelCD/AK03.jpg

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o26/ArchAngelCD/AK04.jpg

I know it's not an expert job but I think it's not so bad for someone who is just learning. I'm going to rub out the high spots after it cures a little more. Then I'll rub in some lemon oil or linseed oil and it will last a long time. I still have to clean up the works but I wanted to protect the wood before I got to that. I can't wait to take it out and shoot some rounds through it...

Juna
December 22, 2006, 09:21 AM
Congrats on the purchase. I'm planning on getting one in the near future, so be sure to post your range report on here! :D I'm excited to hear how that baby shoots!

BTW, the refinishing on the wood looks great! I was planning on doing the same to mine when I get it. Glad to see it turns out so well!

Glockfan.45
December 22, 2006, 09:35 AM
Not bad at all. I can tell from your pics though you didnt get the Tapco trigger. Look forward to some painful trigger slap in the future till you replace it. If you dont know what trigger slap is fear not for you shall learn :uhoh: . On the plus side your metal finish and wood look nicer than mine. I tossed my sling and mag pouch as they were pretty well rotted when I got it. Aks are a load of fun as you will soon find out. Welcome to the world of Kalashnikovs and beware you can never have just one.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k97/pimpster82/S5030085.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k97/pimpster82/S5030072-1.jpg

P.S Heres a link to some usefull information http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/slapfix.htm

jagdpanzer347
December 22, 2006, 09:48 AM
ArchAngel, looks good. In the pictures the metal finish looks as good as my recently purchased Saiga. If you're looking for more forty round mags, copesdistributing has Romanians for twenty bucks. Good outfit to deal with.

-jagd

weaselchew
December 22, 2006, 10:15 AM
I got mine from Dunham's when they had their black friday sale. $189! It wasn't converted to double-stack yet though, so I had to spend a half hour with my dremel on it - but now mags fit in easily and wobble less than a good double stack with dimples. Mine came with all the compliance parts and the Tapco G2 trigger.

Seeing as you are in PA, there might be a Dunham's not to far from you. I'd definately recommend keeping an eye out on their prices if you get the urge to buy another cheap effective AK.

El Rojo
December 22, 2006, 10:48 AM
Two questions. These are not on the Kasler List (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/infobuls/kaslist.pdf) correct? And is that a flash suppressor on the front? Thanks.

MikeH
December 22, 2006, 11:29 AM
Just for fun. :D

http://taiwanmilitary.org/mikeh/albums/album25/DSC02396.jpg

ArchAngelCD
December 22, 2006, 11:25 PM
I took a look at Red Stars site and I see 2 different G2 trigers. One is a Double Hook and the other is a Single Hook. What is the difference and which should I get since both are the same price.

Also, no, I don't know what trigger slap is but I don't think I want to find out the way you guys are talking about it!!

QUESTION, how good are those 30 round clear mags made by Pro-Mag?

I'm very new to AK's, this is my first. Do I need to keep any parts on hand that can go bad or usually do? Do I need an extra gas tube?

ArchAngelCD
December 23, 2006, 04:41 AM
MikeH,
Very nice AK.... How did you mount that scope?

weaselchew
December 23, 2006, 12:40 PM
Mine has a single hook G2, I don't know why you'd need a double hook (maybe someone else here will chime in).

Trigger slap is typically the back of the disconnector hitting the trigger causing it to slap back and hit your finger. http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/slapfix.htm (http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/slapfix.htm) is a guide on fixing trigger slap with your old parts. It's probably just a good idea to order a G2 trigger so you can get some compliance parts out of the deal too.

I have 2 promag magazines, albeit they are black, not smoke/clear. They seem to function great and they have a lifetime warranty. Some people don't like the polymer mags from promag, but I haven't had an issue yet.

weaselchew
December 23, 2006, 12:43 PM
MikeH's scope looks to be mounted on the side mount. It's the odd shaped block protruding from the left side of the gun (opposite of the safety)

MikeH
December 23, 2006, 06:21 PM
Yes, I used the side mount. Standard feature on the WASR.

The mount goes slightly off center after turning the lever into locked position. Probably more suitable for a reddot than a riflescope.

MAKOwner
December 23, 2006, 09:23 PM
Eh, since you've already got it I'd just do some dremel/filing work on the Century trigger group and call it done. 30 minutes with a dremel including disassembly and reassembly and mine has been fine for 1000+ rounds, no slap, fairly smooth. I took off both the spur on the back of the disconnector and a little material from the area under the spring hole on the bottom of the disconnector on my SAR1. If you look at the trigger slap fix stuff on Linx's Romanian AK page linked to above you'll see what I'm talking about. Trivial tweak to make. Now that I think about it, I also did it on my SAR2 before I even shot it since it's so simple.

Does your lower handguard have the standard AKM palm swells or whatever they're called? Pics almost look like it doesn't, hadn't seen any WASRs like that.

And is that a flash suppressor on the front? Standard AKM muzzle compensator, not a flash hider under any reasoning I've heard of.

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