Arms For Your Boat


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statelineblues
December 21, 2006, 09:43 AM
OKay, something to take your minds off the bills, wrapping paper, twinkle lights, etc...

You own a 27-foot boat (power or sail, your choice) and you and the family often take it out for day and weekend trips, occasionally going for week-long cruises.

What firearm(s) would you keep on board and why?

Here are the conditions:
Assume you are sailing the largest body of water closest to you (east coast - Atlantic Ocean; west coast - Pacific ocean; southern states - Gulf of Mex; upper central states - Great lakes; etc..)
You, spouse, 2 kids (under 15) are the 'crew'
Only weapons YOU can legally purchase in your home state

This is just for FUN, so don't over-read the question!:rolleyes:

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hacksaw
December 21, 2006, 09:48 AM
1. Springfield M1A Socom...handy carbine length....30 caliber range to keep miscreants @ arms length

2. Mossberg Marine 12 Gauge..this is in either stainless or nickel..for corrosion resistance

3. Springfield xd45 13 + 1 capacity .45 caliber...'nuff said

Onmilo
December 21, 2006, 09:49 AM
Just for fun I would have to follow Quint's lead from the movie Jaws and keep an M1 Garand and a Greener Harpoon gun along with a couple of flare pistols on board.

Bill_G
December 21, 2006, 09:53 AM
1 or 2 stainless pumps 12 ga.......#1 buck and slugs. about 50 shells combined each pump.

1 or 2 stainless ruger mini 30's........300 rounds of ammo each rifle.

no need for a pistol IMO.

1911 guy
December 21, 2006, 10:10 AM
I'll take an AR or M1A because of its capacity and rapid fire. Bolt guns are no good for walking fire into a moving vessel from another moving vessel.

I'll take a shotgun because of versatility and big holes slugs make. A small agressive craft could be potentially sunk at close range.

I'll also take a handgun, preferably large capacity. This is the one situation where a handgun is needed due to tight quarters and large capacity is needed because of the 1) inability to get cover or distance for a reload and 2) pirates always have more men below deck. :neener:

PILMAN
December 21, 2006, 10:23 AM
I'd take my USP.

El Tejon
December 21, 2006, 10:41 AM
When I go out, I just have my pistol (1911). Don't keep a rifle on board but I know people who do. The pirates of the Great Lakes are a friendly lot.:D

However, I'll play, matey, arrrr, shiver me badger.

I'll take a pair M14 clones with AP, a 12 ga. shotgun, and a couple of pistols for me.

Wifey will have her pistol and an AR, give the boys ARs and pistols.

I'd want something big around (BAR in .338, a .375 H&H, .416 what have you) loaded with solids as an anti-boat weapon. I'd want a scoped, suppressed .22 rifle on board and a bolt action .308 as well. Flare gun or three, empty bottles, laundry detergent and fire extinguishers around as well.

Everything as stainless and weatherproofed as I could. Lots of cleaning supplies then too.:D

High Planes Drifter
December 21, 2006, 10:43 AM
Im in south Louisiana; EVERYTHING seems to rust and corrode down here. The glass on our windows, and windshields on our cars rust down here:rolleyes: .

Gotta go with a stainless Mossberg Mariner, stainless Ruger 10/22 and a stainless AK. Oh, and bikini's that go well with stainless for the ladies. :neener:

Keith Wheeler
December 21, 2006, 10:51 AM
I think there have been some good threads on this before here. I'm closest to the Gulf of Mexico, which means a risk of cruising too far out of US waters. In that case I'd only take what I'd be willing to donate to the "old man in the sea". You get caught out of our waters with an AR or M1A and you will probably be treated like you're on your way to Bay of Pigs II.

In any case, I'd probably just stick with shotguns, which would be a great excuse for me to buy one!

Glockfan.45
December 21, 2006, 11:06 AM
As for me I would sail on international waters where its all legal so mount this on the bow please
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k97/pimpster82/Vulcan20mmGatling.jpg :neener:

But if state laws must apply then my stainless Kimber Custom II, and a stainless mini14 would be my pick.

Zero_DgZ
December 21, 2006, 11:19 AM
I'm thinking something along the lines of an AR-10 that's had the bejesus Duracoated out of it, or kitted with stainless parts... Ought to be handy enough for most work and be able to reach out and get the message across to distant pirates.

And I'll need a cutlass. Yarr.

Spot77
December 21, 2006, 11:32 AM
. Mossberg Marine 12 Gauge..this is in either stainless or nickel..for corrosion resistance

Bingo. Or the Remington equivalent.

An EBR onboard is gonna' draw the ire of the Coast Guard a lot more than a shotgun despite your being "allowed" to have it should you get boarded for any reason.

Also, you should consider where you'll eventually have to put into port. Does that state have a ban on EBR's? Where does the state's jurisdiction end on that particular body of water? (I'd be on the Chesapeake Bay and it's tributaries so MD's laws would apply.)

But if I was a VA resident and had a ccw permit, would I be in violation by sailing with my handgun on the Potomac River (northern shore is MD, southern shore VA) which is regarded as under Maryland's authority?

Sorry, I know this wasn't supposed to be over analyzed. :neener:

GRIZ22
December 21, 2006, 11:42 AM
I'd take:

1. A 12 gauge pump (your choice). It would be nice to have a stainless one but if you take a blued one, give it a good coat of protection, and wrap it in a garbage bag if will keep okay. You need to check it on a regular basis.

2. A SKS with fixed magazine. This should keep you out of trobule in states with "assault weapons" laws like NJ, MD, MA etc.

3. A revolver as you have to have one hand free to hang onto something on a boat and the immediate action drill to deal with a dud round is one handed.
At least 38 special.

I worked marine enforcement in FL for awhile. My first question when doing a boarding would be "do you have any weapons on board". If they said no, then I became suspicious.

Hemicuda
December 21, 2006, 12:59 PM
Easy one... the three I already have for that duty... (I only need my own boat, instead of a friends...)

Remington 870 Marine Magnum

Smith & Wesson 5406

all stainless and plastic Ruger Mini-Thirty

svtruth
December 21, 2006, 01:47 PM
A couple of cruisers transiting the Red Sea routed pirates w a shotgun and ramming.
Reese Palley, also in Red Sea used a full auto AK-47 to cut through his damaged mast to prevent further damage.
Sir Peter Blake was killed by pirates in Brazil when his shot gun jammed.
Bob Bitchin (publisher of Latitudes and Attitudes) used a handgun to awaken a guy who had nodded off while on watch.

mindwip
December 21, 2006, 02:13 PM
A marine shotgun for sure.

But i would be happy with a m1a/m1 (sealed in plastic till i needed it) and a 9mm or 45 pistol on my belt. And no shotgun. Really i dont see much use for one against pirates with AKs the limited range on a shotgun would hurt. I would want a longer range weapon to get them as they are attacking. And the pistol is on me at all times, so if they sneak up i have some chance going against 15 armed pirates vs me:scrutiny: :(

If i had the money i would get all three, Oh and that sonic blaster. One of those for sure

jungleroy
December 21, 2006, 02:27 PM
light cannon that shoots a 5lb ball. You could also put grape shot into it.
Then repelling pirates would get interesting.
A machete, and a good sidearm would be my real choices.
Can we have limpet mines?

Jeff White
December 21, 2006, 02:46 PM
El Tejon said;

Wifey will have her pistol and an AR, give the boys ARs and pistols.

Wifey? Is this hypothetical or have you succumbed to the feminine wiles of some lass? Are congratulations in order? Are you guys registered with ammoman? ;)

Jeff

Thefabulousfink
December 21, 2006, 03:05 PM
Sailing with weapons can very tricky from a legal standpoint. Few places that you are likely to sail to allow the sort of weapons that we can have in the good ol' US of A. So all legal issues aside.....

1. A .308 caliber battle rifle with reflex sight. I am thinking a FAL with an eotech. All the metal that could be would be stainless or chromed.

2. A nickle-plated 870, 18" with a pistol grip.

3. Springfield Armory XD45

4. About 6 empty Jack Daniels bottles, filled 2/3 of the way with gasoline, and a layer of powdered detergent disolved ontop of the gas.

RioShooter
December 21, 2006, 03:43 PM
Would this be too heavy for your boat?

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SSN Vet
December 21, 2006, 03:44 PM
not me.....

but I posted this a month or so ago on a very similar thread...http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=2898260#post2898260

Joe Gunns
December 21, 2006, 04:55 PM
fwiw
Passagemaker magazine Nov/Dec isshad an article by Steve D'Antonio, their mechanical guru in which he related his unscientific testing on the penetration of pistol and rifle ammo through fiberglass. He used an AK, a 9mm pistol and a couple of other of his personal guns (don't remember what other makes or calibers) against some fiberglass rounds that had been cut from various hulls during installation of bow and stern thrusters, etc. Hull fiberglass is generally thicker than superstructural glass. He found that all the rounds he tried punched through. I don't remember any more details, but will check when I get home tonight and post more specifics tomorrow, unless someone else does so before then.

Axman
December 21, 2006, 05:23 PM
I'd just get myself one of these babies!!!

http://floatingdrydock.com/higgins.jpg
http://maritimequest.com/daily_event_archive/2005/dec/09_elco_77_foot_pt_boat.jpg

Fosbery
December 21, 2006, 05:43 PM
I guess Atlantic ocean for me. Rather limited in what I can own here.

1. Benneli M4 12 bore shotgun for fighting on board the boat

2. Barrett M95 .50 BMG rifle for hitting distant threats

3. Southern Gun Company straight-pull AR15 5.56mm NATO for medium range shooting

4. Muzzle loading cannon in any caliber - just for fun :evil:

steveracer
December 21, 2006, 05:58 PM
These are the two that go on my brother's Bost Whaler when he goes out and about.
When I kayak in the wilderness I take a Smith model 60 3" .357MAG.
I can't carry a rifle on the kayak, or I'd bring an AK.
As for corrosion: The weapons aboard most US Navy vessles are parkerized, and get cleaned once in a while. A great while. They don't rust unless they are left on deck (M-60s and M-2s)
The M134 minigun is mostly stainless, but the barrels aren't, and they don't really rust much either.

grizz
December 21, 2006, 06:18 PM
I will tell you from experience (boating, kayaking, fishing, and hunting in Alaska) that whatever you bring on a boat WILL rust. If it's blued, it will rust in about 1-3 days. If it's stainless maybe 1-2 weeks. I would NEVER in a million years bring an expensive gun on a boat.

Most people who own boats in Alaska keep a snake charmer (cheapo) .410 shotgun. Why? To shoot large halibut before hauling them on deck. That's it's sole purpose. Even a 60 lb halibut can cause a lot of damage thrashing about on a boat. Imagine a pissed off 300 lb halibut thrashing about on the deck :what: !

We always take a stainless Ruger .44 mag revolver (or two or three) also for times when we want to explore the shore (bear defense). Also, usually a stainless Ruger .22 autoloader for plinking on shore.

ArchAngelCD
December 21, 2006, 06:46 PM
I like some of the posts so far, especially the cannon!! You guys are great!

Without a doubt if you have nothing else on the boat you must have a shotgun. I would suggest at least 1 but 2 would be better. A short 18.5" and a longer barrel one for longer distances. Remington and Mossberg make them in Nickle for a reasonable price. If you really want to be armed well then you might want to add a AK-47 for volume fire power and a .45 semi-auto for your sidearm. Don't forget to arm the wife because if things go very bad she will be the last defense for the children. If you wife isn't into guns buy her a 3"/4" .38 revolver so she can cover your back and still keep it simple. You might want to buy a Springfield XD in .45 cal or a S&W M&P for yourself, either will serve you well.

possum
December 21, 2006, 09:10 PM
i would say a stainless model 870 and a stainless handgun like a xd which would be my choice. if you decide on whatever i would highy suggest that it be stainless though, salt water isnt very friendly to guns.

Juna
December 21, 2006, 09:17 PM
1) Mossberg Mariner 500/590 or Remington 870 Marine Magnum
2) Any corrosion-resistant polymer pistol (XD, USP) with stainless slide.
3) Maybe a Kel-Tec SU-16 (folds in half for easy storage) or a WASR 10 (can take a beating).

one-shot-one
December 21, 2006, 09:33 PM
a 27' sail boat is not that big.
that said alot of bad things can happen out on the open water.
stainless is the best bet but you do want to hold cost down and my glock seems to hold up well to day trips if cleaned and oil when i get home.
so if i was expecting the worse, 2 marine 12ga, 1 ss marlin in .44 or .357
1 sks, 1 .45 1911, 3 sp101's loaded w/.38+p. 3 boxs 12ga shells #1 buck & slugs. 100 rouds each for the rifles. 3-4 loaded magizines for the 1911, 1 speed loader each for the revolvers.

Stevie-Ray
December 21, 2006, 10:06 PM
Great Lakes for me. Probably my Colt AR-15 Tactical carbine with 150 rounds and my H&K USP45C with a box of 230 gr HydraShoks. Not much in the way of piracy in the Great Lakes, but you never know.;)

grizz
December 21, 2006, 11:34 PM
Do most of you fear pirates, or just want to be able to take out a pod of orca, :what: I'm pretty sure Blackbeard is long gone. :scrutiny:

I'm truely amazed at the arsenals some of you guys say you would take on a boat! Are there waters in the US that are that dangerous, or does the tactical ninja mindset prevail even on sport fishing or cruising trips? Wow.

ARTiger
December 22, 2006, 01:05 AM
Barrett .50 BMG
Saiga12 Shotgun
FN FAL .308


The Barrett can reach out there and touch 'em and would probably kill most small oceangoing craft with a few aimed shots at the engine room and controls.

The Saiga can spit a lot of .30 cal magnum buckshot pellets fast at unfriendly types. Can also fire flares which start a good (soon uncontrollable) fire when shot into another vessel.

The FAL is powerful enough to cause most folks to reconsider strategy on the other end. Weight's not a big issue since it's boat bound and it can fire a lot fast reloading easily.

ArchAngelCD
December 22, 2006, 02:38 AM
grizz,
Of course there probably wouldn't be a problem on the Great Lakes but he said:Assume you are sailing the largest body of water closest to you (east coast - Atlantic Ocean; west coast - Pacific ocean; southern states - Gulf of Mex; upper central states - Great lakes; etc..)
Grizz, You said, "I'm pretty sure Blackbeard is long gone.
I'm truly amazed at the arsenals some of you guys say you would take on a boat!"

Well, in the North East Atlantic Ocean Blackbeard may be gone but piracy is alive and well. All over the NE Atlantic especially out on Long Island and Offshore from NY where you would do deep sea fishing you can be in danger of losing your life at any time. The most dangerous waters in America are the Florida Keys. Itís like the old West, only on water out there. Pirates do exist for 2 main reasons now. First, to steal all the electronics many carry on their boats and secondly, for the use of your boat itself. If you have a fast boat or a boat that won't attract attention, like a sail boat, drug smugglers want your boat. They kill you, use the boat for a drug run to the Bahamas or some other island then sink the boat. You really shouldn't make a joke of it since the Pirates are more common than you obviously think and they are very well armed, you should be too.

wildburp
December 22, 2006, 03:09 AM
Destroyer escort, at a discreet distance, with submarine support. Any of you boys see an aircraft carrier around here? If Congress does not authorize that, then .45s, shotguns, and some kind of .30 caliber high power semi auto rifles. Deck mounted 50 caliber machine guns would be nice, but the permit process is probably beyond my means. Only the very rich could afford to protect themselves that well.

Most of the waters you mention are somewhat safer than others, but piracy is real today. Fake deck mounted weaponery may deter ill doers in dangerous waters. The master of any vessle needs to have arms at hand.

wb

The-Fly
December 22, 2006, 03:18 AM
I don't own a boat. But if I did, here's the guns I'd have on it.




































http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Uss_iowa_bb-61_pr.jpg/800px-Uss_iowa_bb-61_pr.jpg



Pirates? What pirates? Heck you could take out small nations with that thing :evil:

c_yeager
December 22, 2006, 03:45 AM
A nice stainless shotgun and my CCW. The whole long-range rifle idea is a non-starter. The notion of accurate long range fire from the pitching deck of a moving vessel into the pitching deck of another moving vessel is likely to fall short of expectations in actual practice. Nevermind the idea of identifying your target as hostile at any range at all. In the *highly* unlikely event that you encounter someone who wants to harm you within a weeks sail of your home, they are almost certainly going to approach you as a friend right up untill they are within jumping distance of your deck.

Glockfan.45
December 22, 2006, 08:36 AM
Do most of you fear pirates, or just want to be able to take out a pod of orca

Yeah screw the whales, plus you never know when you may come across a Green Peace ship :evil: j/k.

Fake deck mounted weaponery may deter ill doers in dangerous waters.

And will most certianly gain you "special attention" from your friendly neighborhood Coast Guard.

RioShooter
December 22, 2006, 11:41 AM
Modern maritime piracy is a very real threat. The International Maritime Bureau, a division of the ICC Commercial Crime Services, reports an upsurge of pirate attacks off the coast of Somalia and in Brazilian ports.

At the same, the IMB is concerned about the constant nature of piracy in Southeast Asian waters. Ships travelling to the affected region are being advised to be particularly cautious when transiting the waters between the South China Sea and the Java Sea. These pirates are using relatively heavy weaponry (mortars and rocket-propelled grenades) against vessels sailing in East African waters. The IMB advises vessels to remain at least 50 nautical miles offshore when transiting the coastal regions of Somalia. In recent incidents, the pirates off Somalia pretend to be coast guards, there have even been such instances with corrupt law enforcement officials. Their deception often begins with vocal warnings through loudspeaker or radio, followed by attack with automatic weaponry. It’s believed that some attacks are aimed at gaining control of a ship in order to seize others, as the pirates' own craft is usually too small and too slow to really be effective. Recently, the pirates attacked a British registered racing yacht off the coast of Somalia. The small pirate craft fired a mortar at the yacht in the Gulf of Aden, and some of the pirates attempted to board the vessel. Fortunately, the pirates quickly fled when a container ship and a Canadian Navy vessel came to the yacht's rescue.

These recent piracy problems have been under the observation of the United States, which is growing increasingly concerned about armed gangs attacking vessels in the country's ports.

RioShooter
December 22, 2006, 11:46 AM
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/07/060706-modern-pirates.html


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A Somalian gunman with a Russian-made long-range machine gun guards a vessel from pirates near the port town of Merca, 65 miles (100 kilometers) south of Muqdisho (Mogadishu), on October 26, 2005. The vessel was carrying food aid to the southern part of Somalia.

Pirate attacks off the East African country have been on the rise as more criminals take advantage of the lack of a functioning government.

mindwip
December 22, 2006, 03:38 PM
Piracy is a very real threat. There may not be alot near USA waters but other waters around the world is a different story. I would feel safer living in the worst parts of LA, then in some waters around the word.


There was a series on the Travel/Discovery Channel about a guy who sailed around the world visting lots of different parts of the world. He was attacked by pirates and shoot at when on land, a number of times.

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