m1a versus ar15 pick one!


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tenringer
December 22, 2006, 02:16 AM
Looking to buy 1 or the other

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Don't Tread On Me
December 22, 2006, 02:20 AM
:uhoh:


What will you use either for?

Bazooka Joe71
December 22, 2006, 02:21 AM
OK great...










What will be the primary uses for it?

possum
December 22, 2006, 02:21 AM
welcome to THR!
before we answer that question we need some back ground info. what is the primary use and what do you wish to achieve with it? what ranges do you plan to shoot, and what if anything do you want to hunt?
both are great rifle but we need some help here to help you.

personally i would say go for the ar, lots of mods, and upgrades to make it suitable for anything you might need it for with in reason of course. plus ammo is generally cheaper. they are great for hd, hunting varmits, traget shooting, can be made very accurate if you want them to be.

I do believe personally that the m1a is th greatest semi auto rifle ever created they are a little more pricy to get into to begin with, but they are great guns and they have there place. give us some more info and we can help you futher, in your search.

tenringer
December 22, 2006, 02:24 AM
For home defense

tenringer
December 22, 2006, 02:27 AM
engage hostile targets in my ao

Bazooka Joe71
December 22, 2006, 02:29 AM
Home defense? No question AR15...

Are there alot of hostile targets around your house?:D

possum
December 22, 2006, 02:30 AM
For home defense
is that it, no other uses?
i would say ar all the way then.

this is how i have mine set up.
bushmaster ar with 16" barrel flattop. buis. eo-tech sight. knights rail system, flashlight, vert foregrip. 6 position buttstock, one point sling.flashlight, and bi-pod when i am shooting at longer ranges.

you could definetly get away with just a standard m4a2 or a3 type with cary handle and a flash light, you really don't need much more than that for hd. but i have mine set up that way because mine is used in multiple ways.

Bazooka Joe71
December 22, 2006, 02:34 AM
I'll also add, that if the ONLY reason you want it is for Home Defense, I'd suggest saving yourself ALOT of money and getting a shotgun.

Speer
December 22, 2006, 02:35 AM
Definitely AR-15.

mljdeckard
December 22, 2006, 02:39 AM
The M1A is not in the same class as an AR-15. The appropriate comparison would be an AR-10.

I had an M1A, and I realized to make it as good as I wanted it to be, it would need a custom stock with a cheek piece, to keep the scope from banging me in the eye. I never could get it zeroed correctly.

If I get an itch again to have an autoloader in 7.62 again, I'll get an AR-10.

Colt46
December 22, 2006, 02:41 AM
It can do more things and the aftermarket availability of parts would stagger your mind. 5.56 is much cheaper than .308 and easier to shoot. Nothing wrong with the M1A, but it is for a more specific purpose.

gdvan01
December 22, 2006, 02:45 AM
I'll also add, that if the ONLY reason you want it is for Home Defense, I'd suggest saving yourself ALOT of money and getting a shotgun.Ditto.

Don't Tread On Me
December 22, 2006, 03:04 AM
Save even more over the shotgun, and get a Saiga in 7.62x39mm. Less recoil, faster to shoot, just as reliable, shorter than a shotgun, and superior penetration. At home defense distances, it is just as easy to miss with a shotgun as it is with a rifle. The "spread" isn't going to turn a miss into a hit. That's hollywood stuff.


If it has to be between and AR and M1A for home defense, get the AR. Get a short one (16" barrel) with a collapsable stock to make it as manueverable as possible in your home.

RockRifle
December 22, 2006, 03:32 AM
My M1A will bring the fight to 600+yds with confidence, but I wouldn't want it to clear rooms with. Inside 100 yds, the AR is Very effective. inside a house, a short AR or a pistol will beat the M1A. Whatever you use, it needs to be a fightstopper - frangible 223 won't overpenetrate walls in the house. Carbine is easier to train than close fight pistol. Get the AR!

Market Garden
December 22, 2006, 03:36 AM
I'll also add, that if the ONLY reason you want it is for Home Defense, I'd suggest saving yourself ALOT of money and getting a shotgun.

id have to agree

MrDig
December 22, 2006, 11:47 AM
Nothing in this world is like the sound of a pump action 12 ga cycling. I would agree it is prefered over M1A or AR15 for HD.

MHBushmaster
December 22, 2006, 12:08 PM
AR15, hands down.
Versatile: slap on a 16" upper for home defense/CQB, or a 20" free float for those long range shots at the 400 yard gong.

M1a is a great battle rifle, but for home defense, go for an AR with a telescoping stock and a light attachment, a 20 round mag, and you are good to go.

Quintin Likely
December 22, 2006, 12:14 PM
The easy answer is: Buy both!

The real answer is, it depends; they're radically different from each other.

Seven High
December 22, 2006, 12:19 PM
I suggest that you do some research on the cost/avaliability of 762X51 ammo versus 5.56 ammo. Surplus 762X51 ammo is hard to find now.

Bartholomew Roberts
December 22, 2006, 12:22 PM
Pitching wedge or #1 Driver? Pick one! It all depends on what you want to do with it. If you just want to hit some golf balls, than either will do just fine.

crazed_ss
December 22, 2006, 12:55 PM
I got a M1A because it's the best option for a semi-auto rifle we have in CA.

If I had the choice, I'd pick an AR for HD though. I tried clearing the house with my M1A and the barrel is too long when coming around corners and such. Maybe a M1A SOCOM would work better, but those are twice the price of an AR.

Dr. Dickie
December 22, 2006, 01:39 PM
One? What is this 1 you speak of?
One M1A, one AR 15. No, no, this will not do.
OOhhhh, one AT A TIME. Okay, that is okay.
The US military bought them in the order of: '03 Springfield,M1 Garand, M1A (M14), then AR 15 (M16). I would suggest that you do the same.

MechAg94
December 22, 2006, 01:45 PM
Just goes to show it don't take much to start a thread. :)

plexreticle
December 22, 2006, 02:02 PM
M1A Abrams would be my choice.

1911JMB
December 22, 2006, 02:06 PM
One more vote for a 12 gauge. A Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 will be cheaper and vastly more effective for home defense than either of the 2 listed options.

ArmedBear
December 22, 2006, 02:08 PM
The M1A battle rifle weighs almost as much as the M1A Abrams. Otherwise, I kinda like the rifle.

dfaugh
December 22, 2006, 02:11 PM
As paraphrased from one of my buddies that was a Force Recon Marine in Vietnam:

"if you're up to you chest in a rice paddy, and taking fire from the jungle, you want a gun that'll go THROUGH the tree, THROUGH the badguy, and then KILL the guy guy standing behind him."

M1A

stoky
December 22, 2006, 02:34 PM
tough choice!
Steel and hardwood in a major caliber that's still being issued to designated marksmen to try to mitigate the shortcomings of the later issue?
or
The receiver made out of the same material as a beer can with a rended dinosaur squeezins stock shooting a .22?
Gee, I just can't decide. :p

MHBushmaster
December 22, 2006, 02:46 PM
"if you're up to you chest in a rice paddy, and taking fire from the jungle, you want a gun that'll go THROUGH the tree, THROUGH the badguy, and then KILL the guy guy standing behind him."
M1A

Not sure that this is a great selling point for a home defense gun, ie neighbors, family in other rooms, and not knowing where the bullet is going after it goes through the intruder...Over-penetration is also a problem in home defense scenarios with an AR15...(refernce the box o' truth website)

Shotguns will work for home defense, put they are not the ideal. Shotgun follow up shots are not as fast as either semi-auto listed in the original posts question (Especially with 3" buchshot max dram loads). Many may say, it only takes one shot from a shotgun to end the encounter: just remeber how easy it is to miss at 3am with the lights off and your half asleep.
Also, many believe that racking the slide to load a shell is enough to scare away an intruder:rolleyes: ...again, not a great selling point announcing your position in the home....Bottom line for home defense, use what you are familiar with and know its strenghts and weaknesses and use that info to your advantage in defending your home. A snub nose .38 is better than a locked up rifle that takes 2 minutes to get to that is located in the basement and you are in your bedroom.
But hey, I'm just glad that many people are firearm owners and we have the freedom to speak and debate topics like this.

Geno
December 22, 2006, 02:58 PM
Buy the AR15 and the M1A. In addition, get the Rem 870 12 gauge. This sets up up for everything from varmint and home defense (AR15), to deer and home defense (M1A), to rabbits, duck etc. and home defense (870). I always purchase dual role firearms. :) Then, basically I'm set for all situations.

Doc2005

1911JMB
December 22, 2006, 02:58 PM
MHBushmaster, you mentioned overpenetration.

Thats a very good point, and thats a problem which can easily be solved with proper ammo. Both the .308 and the .223 have a wide variety of special purpose ammo available at your local gun shop which would be ideal for home defense. But again, my vote still goes to the shotgun.

RockyMtnTactical
December 22, 2006, 03:02 PM
For me, I prefer the AR-15 in all cases, but for home defense, the AR-15 should be the clear winner regardless of preference.

Reason being that the round is much better for shooting in a home as well as shooting in an urban/suburban area, not to mention that it's much better and easier to manuever indoors.

It's also lighter, easier to scope or add a red dot, and carries more ammo.

AR-15's rock, accept no substitute. ;)

ProficientRifleman
December 22, 2006, 03:07 PM
Buy one of each...an M1A of your favorite flavor, and a DPMS LR-308, then you can buy different top ends for it, different stocks, rail systems, sights and optics, etc.....

The choices never end!

You probably can only afford one rifle right now, like the rest of us, so I would go with practicality and get the DPMS or an AR-10. Later, when you can afford it, go for the satisfying feeling of nostalgia and get an M1A.


Or sell your car and get both!!

Good luck and Merry Christmas!

flip180
December 23, 2006, 12:23 AM
I did!
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Flip:evil: .

BTW, the Remmy is now wearing it's original black synthetic stocks and "may" soon be joined by a Benelli M1S90.

sacp81170a
December 23, 2006, 12:32 AM
Hah! I knew you wanted the shotgun. :evil:

BTW, the 870 is wearing the civilian style forearm. Do yourself a favor and either take it off and saw off the portion that covers the loading port when the slide is all the way back or get an LE forearm. It makes it easier to clear malfunctions and perform tactical loads. ;)

Geno
December 23, 2006, 12:35 AM
All right Flip180! I'll try to get the time to post mine later. Now you need to buy the Carbon 15 Model 21 Bushmaster pistol. They are fun!!!! Especially with the 100 round magazine. :)

Doc2005

MechAg94
December 23, 2006, 12:39 AM
The receiver made out of the same material as a beer can with a rended dinosaur squeezins stock shooting a .22?
Hey, the 5.56 is 0.003" bigger than a .22. :)
Also, rended dinosaur squeezins can be pretty tough if applied properly.

For home defense, I like the shotgun. A little more punch in the average situation. An AR would work with the right ammo.

You are going to have to worry about over penetration with any firearm, but the .308 is probably a step up from the other two. I know they will all go through the walls of my house, but the brick exterior might not stop a .308.

flip180
December 23, 2006, 12:45 AM
"Hah! I knew you wanted the shotgun."

Ah hell! I feel like I got caught with my hand in the cookie jar:what: .

Flip;) .

MisterPX
December 23, 2006, 12:52 AM
With the right ammo, the AR will serve you better in HD versus a shotgun or the M1A. An AR carbine is also a lot handier than a fullsize M1A indoors;) A semi rifle means you just have to pull the trigger, negating the issue of short stroking under stress with a shotty. Plus, if the asailant is armored, you're shotty won't do much to shut him down.

If you get one of the socom M1A's and some MEN 7.62, though, that'd be a nice setup.

dfaugh
December 23, 2006, 10:55 AM
Plus, if the asailant is armored, you're shotty won't do much to shut him down.

I dunno about that...Remember, A 15 pellet 3" magnum load of 00 buck is the same a 15 .32 handgun rounds ALL AT ONCE. No, it probably won't penetrate your average body armor, but it WILL DEFINITELY knock the wind outa his sails. And you've got severl follow-up shots as needed.

byf43
December 23, 2006, 11:28 AM
AR or M1A????

Baseball bat or sledgehammer???

'Bout the same analogy. Both are kinda long for a HD firearm, IMO.

I'd opt for the 18 to 18-1/2" 12 ga Remington 870 w/ Knoxx SpecOps stock and a Colt 1911-A1 in .45 acp. on my hip.

The AR and/or the M1A would be great for longer ranges, but, in a house type situation, they're too danged long.

Market Garden
December 23, 2006, 11:42 AM
I'd opt for the 18 to 18-1/2" 12 ga Remington 870 w/ Knoxx SpecOps stock and a Colt 1911-A1 in .45 acp. on my hip.

The AR and/or the M1A would be great for longer ranges, but, in a house type situation, they're too danged long.

the AR can be configured to be much shorter than most shotguns, and theres the Socom16/2, but id be worried about over penetration with these weapons atleast in an indoor scenario. i agree with you that a standard HD shotgun would be better, or a reliable handgun with some training, for home protection. but if were talking about outside the home and defending yourself at a distance, id grab my M1A over an AR anyday.

Dr. Dickie
December 23, 2006, 12:12 PM
M1A Abrams would be my choice.

Until you had to clean the barrel!:neener:

rich636
December 23, 2006, 12:19 PM
^^

Yeah you'd need 5 gallons of Hoppes and a few mops per cleaning!

MechAg94
December 23, 2006, 02:01 PM
Yeah, but if you can afford gas and ammo, the cleaning supplies are a drop in the bucket.

The good news is it only takes one or two rounds to deter most home invasions. Home repairs could be a problem; yours and the neighbors.

10-Ring
December 23, 2006, 07:41 PM
HD? I'd go shotty as my 1st choice but if I had to choose between my M1A & my RRA middy, I'd go w/ the more maneuverable AR. Now if you're talking about the SA SOCOM, I might go w/ the SOCOM depending on he make up of your house hold...kids / wife / other people in the house ;)

1911HOP
December 23, 2006, 08:05 PM
i use ar15 &mini14 folder &rem1100 ext tube 18 1/2 & 1911 officer & high standard 22 mag derr, with mi garrand tanker beside me h&r single 16 next time i will tell you what i use after i get out of bed

High Planes Drifter
December 23, 2006, 11:19 PM
I've said it before and I 'll say it again ; nothing in this world says "You really should have stayed home and smoked crack tonight instead of breaking into my house" quite like an M1A does. Absolutely, positively nothing. I've hunted deer for over 15 years, I am still awestruck at the amount of power a .30 bullet moving at over 2500 f.s. contains at distances less than 25 yards. The damage it is capable of is simply incredible.

gazpacho
December 24, 2006, 12:02 AM
My shotty is my first round of defense. Its a modified Saiga-12. In a recent test, I put 11 rounds of 9 pellet OOBuck into a man-sized target at 25yrds in about 5 seconds.

Should I need to maneuver, I have an AR pistol with an Armson OEG sight and a Noveske flash hider.

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