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SCFOOTBALLBEARS
December 22, 2006, 01:38 PM
Hello everyone, I am new to THR, but not so new to rifles. The only gun I own of my own is a Mossberg 12 gauge pump, I think the model is "Ulti-Mag", in full camo. I am currently in the market for a new gun, and plan to start a collection, and also plan to start hunting, which I have never done by the way.
So my question is, what kinda of rifle should I buy. I am only a teenager, with no job, so a $1000 rifle isn't really an option. I am also looking for a nice used rifle for my first gun or two. I am thinking about a .308, 30-06, or 7mm perhaps, or possibly a .270. I am looking for a nice rifle, used, under 400$. Any recommendations? Thanks ahead of time.

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mljdeckard
December 22, 2006, 01:51 PM
Remington 700 actions have always been great for me, and there are plenty of them in pawn shops. Give a serious look at all the major brands, Savage gets plenty of good fanship, Winchester, etc. I like light triggers, about 3 lbs, but not everyone does. Keep the optics simple, any decent 3x9 will work. Giant 6-20 varmint scopes are not appropriate.

If you are hunting ONLY deer and not moose or elk, you can also look at smaller rounds, like a .243.

Some of it kind of depends on how and where you hunt. When our group is going to be ranging through sage brush and junipers, we move more towards shorter 'bush' rifles. A lever gun might be a consideration. My dad has a Remington 760 pump in .257 Roberts that's about 45 years old that he takes out to beat up, that he says still makes him look like a really good shot. On the other hand, if we are looking to hunt in high canyons and open spaces, we lean towards long-action bolt rifles, '06, .270, 25-06, etc.

plexreticle
December 22, 2006, 02:09 PM
For that price range I would look at a Savage.

I like .308 or 30-06 but everybody has their own opinion on that.

You can hunt deer with open sights just fine and save a few hundred a decent scop would cost.

SCFOOTBALLBEARS
December 22, 2006, 03:01 PM
Well, I was wanting a pretty high powered rifle, in case I did get the chance to hunt moose or elk. Also, I am looking for a nice cheap pistol, partly for coyote protection. Would a .22 revolver or .25 work? Or should I go a little higher?

Harry Paget Flashman
December 22, 2006, 03:09 PM
Try a Model 1938 7.62X54R Mosin Nagant carbine. Rugged, powerful, cheap practice ammo and about $100.

SCFOOTBALLBEARS
December 22, 2006, 03:31 PM
As far as me buying guns, the only thing I am not allowed to buy are assault rifles and 7.62-cartridged guns. If I could, I would buy any assault rifle, or an SKS.

azredhawk44
December 22, 2006, 03:50 PM
Well, I was wanting a pretty high powered rifle, in case I did get the chance to hunt moose or elk. Also, I am looking for a nice cheap pistol, partly for coyote protection. Would a .22 revolver or .25 work? Or should I go a little higher?

I'd suggest an iron-sighted 30-30. Marlin or Winchester. Folks hunted moose, deer, bear and elk for decades with this rifle as the main go-to. You can get them new at Walmart for $300 out the door. Finding an iron-sighted bolt gun is going to be tricky, IMO.

If you gotta have more power than 30-30, you can look at NEF single shot rifles. I think they make one in 30-06... don't quote me on it though. These run around $100-$150 and come with irons.

As far as the light sidearm is concerned, try to find a used police service revolver in 38 special... should be about $200 or so. I'd really recommend a 357magnum though. Coyotes don't warrant that power level, it's more a future-thinking thing. 357mag makes an excellent woods sidearm in almost every part of the USA. Every red-blooded 'merican oughta have a 357 magnum, IMO. The only excuse not to is because you already have a 45 auto in Colt Government format.:neener:

But with the rifle, as a first rifle, stick with something light that you can stalk easily with and doesn't encumber you too much, in a common caliber.

SCFOOTBALLBEARS
December 22, 2006, 04:34 PM
Well I don't think a 357 magnum would be in my price range, combined with a deer rifle. Maybe just the 357, but not both. I want to go to osme local gun shows, and see what I can do. Thanks for the help so far guys.

ojibweindian
December 22, 2006, 04:42 PM
If deer, and an eventual moose/elk hunt is in your future, and you're on a budget of not more than $400, I'd strongly recommend a Savage in .30-06. In my opinion, that's the best thing out there in your price range.

Also, I wouldn't worry about coyotes; an extremely shy creature, they are, and they won't come anywhere near you if they know you're around (they most always do).

bclark1
December 22, 2006, 04:48 PM
i would ditch the pistol idea and go for spending a little more on the rifle. coyotes really don't pose any threat in the wild. savages are a good starting point. synthetic remington 700 is a good starting point too. my deer rifle is a charles daly mauser, they're a lot of gun for the money too, if you shop around you can find them under 300 in synthetic. action is admittedly rough but it's a very accurate rifle. as long as you're comfy with 12ga recoil, 30-06 will treat you well. it's a great cartridge and if you're thinking of going for bigger game in the future it will stop almost anything on the planet with the right load. depending on your locale and the distance of your shots, lever action guns are always great too. if you're not expecting to go over 100 yards a 30-30 marlin (or 45-70 if you want to go bigger) would treat you well, spending $375 (or $450) for an iron-sighted repeater. whatever you get, practice, practice, practice, and factor the cost of ammo into your budget - you sight in and practice with your hunting ammo at $25 a box or whatever, expect to shoot a couple boxes, and maybe a little more for some cheapo plinking stuff.

arthurcw
December 22, 2006, 04:54 PM
As far as me buying guns, the only thing I am not allowed to buy are assault rifles and 7.62-cartridged guns. If I could, I would buy any assault rifle, or an SKS.

7.62 Is a 30 cal round... So a 30/30, .308, or 30-06 would be OK but a 7.62 x 39, 7.62NATO, or 7.62 x 54R is out? Or are all 30 call rounds out?

Or did I miss something?

Not trying to be snarky. Just don't want to get you in trouble.

SCFOOTBALLBEARS
December 22, 2006, 05:32 PM
Something like a 7.62x39 or the liek is out. Like an Ak or SKS cartridge. I was thinking a 30-06, but I can't remember what it's liek to shoot one. What is a good low-recoil deer rifle? I mean, I'm not exactly a wimp, but after a few hours of shooting my shotgun, I get tired. I think I will shop around at guns shows and stuff, talk to the dealers, etc. I really want a pistol though, because I mean, it's cool as hell, yet practical. Also, coyotes were an example. While a solitary coyote may not pose a threat, and appear shy to a human, a pack will try you, or so I have heard. I mean, you never know what will happen, and like I said, I jsut want one.

MrDig
December 22, 2006, 05:39 PM
You can or should be able to find a nice used rifle in the price range you have set. Might I suggest a Caliber though, consider .243 winchester. Not because you are a teenager, and I think it is a Kids gun. It is a very versitle caliber. With the right loads you can do every thing from Varmints to Deer and can find a good one in the 300.00 to 400.00 dollar range.
I own a NEF Handi-Rifle in .243, heavy barrel singleshot. It is a fine shooter and with a Bushnell Banner Scope it came in at $350.00,
Any of the Bolt Action rifles mentioned would be good Choices, Take a trusted adult with you and shop if possible. See what fits you the best, (how does it feel to shoulder, do the sights/scope come to view readily)
Another suggestion would be a Marlin 336 in 30-30, Great deer gun and a fun plinker. Check for the Hammer Block Safety on them though. I have a personal fondness for them as this was my first Deer Rifle.

markmc753
December 22, 2006, 07:37 PM
+1 on the M38 Mosin Nagant

Colt46
December 22, 2006, 11:16 PM
Both are budget priced, but as accurate if not more than the others. For a first rifle you might want to get something that won't intimidate you with recoil. 7mm-08, 6.5x55, 257 Roberts, all come to mind for easy to shoot big game rifles.

.38 Special
December 22, 2006, 11:28 PM
Any of the calibers you mention would be fine. If you are concerned about recoil I would lean toward the .270, which is an absolutely grand cartridge. If you are really concerned about recoil, I would hunt around for a .257 Roberts or .25-06. These will likely be more difficult to find than the cartridges you mentioned but are, IMO, the minimum for the average whitetail and pretty iffy for elk.

I also agree with the Savage recomendations. These are very good guns and you will not regret buying one. I few years back I bought an essentially 100% condition Savage in .30-06 for $300 and eventually passed it on to a friend for $200. Which would leave you with enough to buy a middle-of-the-road scope and still come in under budget.

HTH, and good luck. :)

RCR29
December 23, 2006, 12:06 AM
A mosin nagant would be good. What about a surplus 98k?

ArchAngelCD
December 23, 2006, 01:21 AM
Dick's Sporting Goods had a Remington 700 Combo which has a composite stock and a 3-9X40 scope for under $500 recently. All calibers were available. IMO, that would be a great gun to start with and even keep shooting for many years to come. I think the price was actually $479.95 but I can't remember for sure.

rockstar.esq
December 23, 2006, 01:39 AM
Few cogent points. The Mosin Nagant otherwise known as M44's M91/38's are iron sighted bolt action military surplus rifles that are generally under $100.00.

If you find as many do that the stock isn't comfortable, a replacement can be had for $60.00 through Midwayusa.com and others. Some might mention that there are "scout scope" setups possible for this rifle. Which although true, often fail to mention that the mounting rail is held on with two tiny screws which can and do fail causing much cursing, missing, and frustration. Either way you can have a restocked iron sighted rifle for $160.00 out the door or you could scope it for an additional $60.00 or so. Either way you'd have spent LESS THAN HALF the going price of a Stevens, Savage, and less than a quarter of the typical Remington price.

The caliber is somewhere between a 30-06 and a .308 Winchester which is to say that it'd be perfectly fine for anything in North America. The surplus ammo for this caliber commonly runs $2-$3.00 a box of 20. A 30-06 will cost you $15-$30.00 for 20. Obviously the 7.62x54R is a fiscally sensible and perfectly servicable caliber. In point of fact you can't even handload this caliber cheaper than you can buy surplus ammo! Hunting ammo is availible through Winchester, Sellior & Bellot, Privi Partisan, and Brown Bear. All of which can be ordered online for less than the out the door price of a box of 30-06!

The recommendations for the .243 Winchester are focused on low recoil and the ability to slay varmints as well as Deer. Truth is that a .30 caliber whacks prarie dogs just fine and kills deer MUCH more reliably hence the overwhelming popularity of 30 caliber cartridges for big game hunting.

rangerruck
December 23, 2006, 03:34 AM
id go with a mosin m38, as they are cheap, light, ammo is cheap, they can be surprisingly accurate, and get a slip on recoil pad, and the dog collar sling
with ammo, you can get everything for 150.
For new, I would go with a savage rifle package, comes in all the popular cals, and with a boresighted scope allready on it. Also about 400.

bub8889
December 23, 2006, 03:53 AM
I would stay away from the Mosin as a first hunting rifle. I have a "sporterized" M44 The gun drilled and tapped for scope, a scope and having the bolt doglegged set me back 200$ total. I've taken several deer with it and like it, but I just don't feel that the saftey system on it is good for a first deer rifle. I stopped using the saftey period when I realized it easier, faster and safer to leave the chamber empty and only bolt a round when I see something to shoot at btt i have lost many shot oppertunities because of this. I don't see this as a good 1st rifle.

I like all the other suggestions on guns and caliber, the Stevens would be my top pick for a new rifle in used the Rem 7600 pump is hard to beat for price and caliber options. My cousin has over 12 of them now 11 used and all under 400$ off of racks in like pawn/gun shops.

ArfinGreebly
December 23, 2006, 05:32 AM
I'm sure we tend to vote our experience and lean toward what's in our safes.

Why should I be any different?

It's been a lot of years since I was in Kentucky, but I seem to remember lots of wooded hills.

If you're looking to hunt up close, I have a suggestion that hasn't been made yet.

I have both a Marlin 336C (.30-30) and a Marlin 1894C (.357 & .38), both leverguns. Others have already suggested the .30-30, and I agree that's a good round, especially with Hornady's new LeverEvolution ammo adding another 100 yards effective range.

Since others have already suggested the .30-30, I'll leave that alone. Let's instead look at the .357 carbine.

The .357 takes medium and large game from a revolver. It's done some impressive stuff out to 150 yards, fired from a sidearm.

Fired from a carbine, it picks up another 300-400 fps muzzle velocity, and even more range.

Now, if you're looking to hunt out at ranges past 150 or 200 yards, then this is where you stop reading. If, on the other hand, the idea of a good general purpose rifle with good hitting power at 150+ yards is attractive, then here are some other points:

The .357 carbine will also fire .38 special loads of all sorts. This makes it affordable for plinking. It also means that you'll find ammo just about anywhere you go. The wide range of loads and powers available in the .38-to-.357 spectrum offers stuff suitable for varmints, woodchucks, and of course deer and more at the top end.

The .30-30, of course, offers more punch and longer range, but plinking costs go up.

Anyway, there's another possibility for you.

Oh, and the .357 carbine will price in at around $400 (if you were to order it through Wal*Mart, it's right at that price), although they do a dressier version with checkered walnut for closer to $500, and a cowboy version with a longer barrel for between $600 and $700.

Good luck.

ArchAngelCD
December 23, 2006, 06:17 AM
ArfinGreebly,
The .357 isn't a bad idea at all. I just might look into it since I have several .38's and .357's so the ammo is already in my home. (like the Cowboys used to do, Handgun=Carbine-=Same Ammo)

The numbers are a little better than you think. I went to the Winchester site and they are reporting their 158 gr JSP round is getting 1830 fps w/1175 ft/lbs of energy out of a rifle and 1235 fps w/535 ft/lbs of energy out of a revolver.

Their 150 gr 30-30 is listed as 2390 fps w/1902 ft/lbs of energy

dbn
December 23, 2006, 07:15 AM
Saiga .308, you can find one brand new for under $400.

M44 Carbine, $70-80.

SCFOOTBALLBEARS
December 23, 2006, 10:19 AM
Thanks for all the ideas guys. And yes, when I go shopping, an adult will be with me, because I don't think I can legally buy firearms, but I know my dad can. Also, I would ask him about the gun I am getting ready to buy, and what he thinks about it. I am not overly concerned with recoil, as it does not bother me so much, I just meant it can become tiring after long periods of time. So it seems like something in the 30 caliber range, as well as the upper 20 caliber range seems to be my target gun, yes? What kind of action should Ilook for? I think most of you are saying bolt action, which I would rather have than Lever, but does the bolt action interfere with scopes?

Lonestar.45
December 23, 2006, 10:43 AM
No, the bolt actions will not interefere with the scopes. I got a Remington 700 BDL for my first deer rifle in .270 over 20 years ago and I love it.

That said, if you say you'd prefer a lever action, by all means get one! This is your first deer rifle, you should get the one you want if you can. I'd find a 30-30 Marlin (can be had for around $300 new, less used) and start shooting. I bet more deer hunters have started off on a 30-30 than any other rifle. The beauty of the Marlin is you can add a scope later after you learn to shoot with the irons. In Kentucky where you're at, the 30-30 would be a great deer cartridge. If by chance you do hunt elk later, chances are, you will have the budget to buy a new rifle. Don't base your first purchase on the off chance that one day in the far future you may hunt elk.

Get the Marlin and have fun!

tubeshooter
December 23, 2006, 11:11 AM
I agree with the above post. .30-30 is good to start, and then you have something to work up to. You can always get more gun later on.

marksman13
December 23, 2006, 11:46 AM
No, the bolt action will not interfere with a scope at all. If you want a lever action, go with a thirty-thirty. It's a great beginner gun and has probably accounted for putting more meat on the table than any other cartridge in American history. I would agree with some of the others here and say to ditch the pistol idea and spend more on the rifle and scope. You are much more likely to kill a coyote in the 100 to 300 yard range than you are the 1 to 50 yard range of a pistol. I haven't heard of many coyote attacks on humans.

Clipper
December 23, 2006, 12:29 PM
Since you're already used to a pump, you might try to find a used Rem. M-141 in .35rem. Small, handy rifle in a caliber that has some punch for woods ranges. I shortened the stock and added a recoil pad for my wife, and it's her favorite rifle.

For a bolt, I'll add my endorsement to the Mosin-Nagant crowd. $80.00 for a 91-30 model, $80.00 more for an ATI stock and you're ready for anything on the continent...

SCFOOTBALLBEARS
December 23, 2006, 01:13 PM
I don't really want a lever action. I woudl rather have a bolt action, and i guess autos aren't in my price range?

maynard93
December 23, 2006, 02:19 PM
I would look hard at a Savage in 7mm-08. They shoot great and not much recoil. I think the 06 is a great round, but it does tend to cause a flinch as a first rifle. 260 is another good option.

.38 Special
December 23, 2006, 02:29 PM
IMO, the "perfect" first deer rifle for most folks is going to be a common bolt action from a good (name) maker with a commonly available mid-range caliber and a decent, average-size scope. Truly, if we take emotion, ego, etc. out of the game, that kind of rifle is the only thing hunters would own.

In used bolt guns I would look for

Remington
Savage
Winchester
Browning
Ruger

There are other makes, of course, but with the above manufacturers you know where you stand. Good deals can be had on makes like Howa, etc, but you have to know what to look for because the small marques turn out the more-than-occasional blooper.

The problem with the military surplus guns like the Mosin (sorry guys) is that they need work in order to be truly appropriate in the field. If you are willing to learn what needs to be done and then either learn how to do it yourself or pay money for a COMPETENT gunsmith to do it for you, this can be a fun project. Thing is, it's always going to be a converted military rifle, and it will always have some bits like a funky scope mount, a weird safety, and an odd-ball cartridge. (I'll get flamed for that, but it's the way I see it.)

Now, I also believe that your cartridge should be a mainstream, middle-of-the-road item. I wouldn't go larger than .30-06, nor smaller than a .25 caliber. Both smaller and larger are, IMO, more specialized cartridges than are needed and/or appropriate for a first deer rifle. Within those brackets, however, is a tremendous selection of cartridges. The '06, .270, and .25-06 will each do wonderfully for a first deer gun, and the .25-06 also does very well as a heavy varmint and coyote gun. There are other cartridges within these guidelines, of course, and many of them are wonderful. Just be sure that they are commonly available. If you don't see boxes of the stuff at Big 5, you may consider moving on.

Lever guns? Neat-O. But limited, in comparison to most bolt guns. Not generally as accurate and not usually chambered for cartridges in the same class as the '06 etc. Scoping is also not as straightforward, in general.

Semi-autos? Sure, with very limited choices. I believe Browning and Remington are both offering hunting semi-autos in appropriate cartridges. Many other military-style semi-autos are available chambered for deer-suitable cartridges (almost always .308) and are technically suitable for hunting, provided you obey whatever laws may apply locally (blocking the magazine capacity being the most common one) but you will likely have to put up with sideways glances and the occasional rude comment: "You hunting deer or ChiComs, kid?" There is also the matter of scoping a military style semi-auto, which is not always simple. BTW, I would avoid anything chambered for the 7.62x39, which includes the AK-47 and the SKS. This cartridge can be suitable for hunting, but only if handloaded.

And finally, scopes. IMO you are best off with a decent 3x9 -- not something blister packed at WalMart, but you don't have to buy Swarovski either. Spend $100 and you'll probably have something decent -- or a good fixed power of 4x or 6x. Don't fall into the modern trap of believing more power is better -- especially if you don't have a grand to spend on it. You will be very, very dissapointed with an inexpensive 4x14 or 6x18.

Bottom line? This is a long post with a short message: Get a common bolt action hunting rifle in a common caliber, scope it with something decent but not extravagant, and then practice practice practice. You will end up with a rifle that will work for you your entire life, and skill that will never depart you.

HTH!

Skeptic
December 23, 2006, 02:33 PM
You cant go wrong with a Winchester or Marlin lever action 30-30.

Lonestar.45
December 23, 2006, 02:41 PM
Sorry, I misread your earlier post. I thought you said you did want a lever.

Well, bolt it is, in your price range. I would seriously look at the Mossberg ATR in .270.

rangerruck
December 23, 2006, 03:01 PM
remmy's ; you can find tons of semiautos out there, new , used, pawnshoppers, all for between 250 and 350. Saigas, you can get new for the same price range, and you can scope them as well. they are also semiautos.

dstorm1911
December 23, 2006, 03:44 PM
As many have mentioned milsurps are a great bargain and built for dependability, personally though I would not go with the Mosin (I have a couple hundred of em they are onea my favorites) instead look at a Mauser pattern rifle, if ya want short go with a Yugo 24/47 these are in 8x57 caliber and most are in like new condition as they were rebuilt in 1947 then placed in storage, The 8x57 is the equivalent of our 30/06 in fact the Springfield was an attempt to copy the german rifle and cartridge. Ya can get the Yugos in the $100 price range best of all is I love going to the range and outshooting the $1000 guns with one of my 60 year old (or older) milsurps hehehe they can be very very accurate. As far as handguns, again look at milsurps there are some excellent bargains and these guns are all built to be abused. plus if ya refrain from refinishing etc... they can gain value as collector guns etc.. if ya do decide ya want custom then a mauser is the basis of about EVERY high end custom rifle, barrels in most calibers can be had around $100 custom Boyds stocks start at around $99 as well, tons of scoping options as well as safties, a Yugo 48 will have the same compactness same price range etc.. BUT with a bent down bolt.

Ammo, CHEAP surplus ammo to allow ya to get lots of practice Yugo 8 mm is running around $32 per 400 rnds right now and its low recoil, if ya drop the rifle no biggie it got dropped alot dureing battle and came out fine.

For a sidearm consider a Star BM 9mm these are compact 4" fireing the 9 mm para round and super durable patterned after the american 1911 very very accurate ammo again is very cheap so plenty of practice on a budget. There are ALOT of milsurp handguns to choose from most are modern designs no frills guns as with rifles built with dependability as the primary criteria.

My son in law was set on a 270 custom built on a remington 700 untill I let him play with one of my Mosins he loved the rifle but not the recoil so next he shot a mauser in the form of a 98/22 and loved it then he went an bought a 24/47 cleaned it all up and really loves to hunt with that ol battle rifle says it just looks cool ;-) but he has shined his all up with fresh linseed oil on the wood it already had perfect blueing etc.. Another bargain are the Turkish mousers they are usually in not as pretty of condition but are very sound rifles built by the Germans for sale to the turks, here look for a 1903 or the best of the best a Czech made 98/22, a few years ago ya coulda gotten a Czech mauser in the short version being the VZ24 for the $100 range but as they are no longer available for import they have jumped into the $400 price range but they are the best built of all the mausers even the german ones..

SoCalShooter
December 23, 2006, 03:55 PM
My Weatherby Vanguard is awesome chambered in .300 weatherby magnum. Its my deer hunter.

Shawnee
December 23, 2006, 04:06 PM
Hi SC...

Real World, SC, is that you will be just fine to buy something like the Remington, or Ruger or Savage in .243 now because long before you get the chance to do much elk/moose hunting you will be able to buy a second (or 3rd or 4th) rifle chambered for a cartridge designed specifically for that size game. That tired old saw about having one rifle that's great for everything from mice to mastadons causes so many Americans to run around so overgunned for what they really hunt it is pathetic. And Truth is, there isn't an animal in the Western Hemisphere that you couldn't drop in its' tracks with a 7mm-08. Hunter Mr. W.D. Bell of Africa killed nearly 1000 ELEPHANTS with a 7x57 Mauser and that is a "weak sister" to the 7mm-08.
For a handgun to use on varmints, even coyotes, get a Ruger .22 revolver or semi-auto and 40 years from now you'll still have it and still love it.

HTH :)

lonewolfalpha
December 23, 2006, 04:20 PM
If you like the pump action, what about the Remingtons? They're about 500 bucks Canadian so they've got to be cheaper in the States. Just as accurate as you're average bolt gun and a heck of a lot more handy. Easy to scope as well and they have iron sights.
As for the B.S. about coyote attacks, it's crap. Even packs are scared of people because we shoot them. I grew up in the bush and never had issues with coyotes or even wolves or bears, but I knew how to avoid them. Most wild animal attacks are actually human provoked. If you go into the bush thinking you're Rambo then you'll have issues.
That said find a gun that fits you well and is in a caliber that you like and buy one gun, then carry it everywhere with you when in the bush until it's an extension of your arm.

dstorm1911
December 23, 2006, 05:13 PM
BTW I forgot to mention, my first deer rifle was an old British enfield #5 some call a jungle carbine, man that sucker kicked but my dad got it for $40 at a pawn shop, that rifle is now the corner stone of the Enfield part of my collection, its taken countless Oregon white tails, who knows how many rocks an tree stumps and ohhh yea one Elk. I only have one commercial "sporter" left in the rifle lineup its a Browning bar .308 I thought I just hadda have when I was 19 since all my other guns were military surplus etc... well its been fired a grand total of 100 times in 30 years, I always end up selecting one of the Milsurps when I get ready to go hunting, latelly the favorite has been a Chillean Model 95 Mauser in 7x57, it just naturally comes on target without any thought from me, and as there are 1,312 to select from in the collection thats saying something for that old 95 but then the Boer's dessimated the British with these same rifles out numbered 80 to 1 so....... And as mentioned the 7x57 will drop anything ya could ever run up against but a good 95 is now getting up there in price as they have not been imported for a couple years, this favorite cost me $80 a year ago they are up to $300 plus now for all matching excellent condition originals etc...

That ol $40 pawn shop Enfield...... I was recently offered $700 for it... no deal ;-)

22-rimfire
December 23, 2006, 05:59 PM
A used Savage Model 340 (bolt action) would be a great choice. Savage made them for years in 222 and 30-30. Another possibility is to find a Mossberg Model 800 (bolt action) used in 243 or 308. They shoot great. Either should be within budget. Finding them is the key.

My first centerfire rifle was a Mossberg Model 800 in 243. Shot great. Liked the tang safety common with Mossbergs. I later bought a Remington Model 700BDL in 270 which to this day remains my "deer rifle". You will hear pros and cons on the 243 for deer. It works. I prefer something with just a bit more power.

WhiteKnight
December 23, 2006, 06:36 PM
Just get a job and work until you can afford whatever you really want.

SoCalShooter
December 23, 2006, 06:50 PM
My Weatherby was my first hunting rifle, I have a .22LR for hunting varmints and several other weapons, you have a point that having several calibers is a good idea, but depending on his situation and hunting he may not have the availability of several different rifles in his arsenal. The .300 weatherby mag gives him a round with good ballistics and knock down power. The .300 should be able to take down any game on the North American continent at 250+ yards. That can be said with several other smaller calibers and much larger calibers but these calibers may not have th FPS or the ballistics of the .300 WB magnum round. Its a little expensive to shoot, but I dont shoot her to often.


Also he did point out:

Well, I was wanting a pretty high powered rifle, in case I did get the chance to hunt moose or elk.

Redbeard55
December 24, 2006, 12:26 AM
The K-31 Schmidt Rubin is a heck of a bargin and highly accurate. If you get one though you should start reloading as hunting ammo might be a little pricey. If you want something new, a Savage in 308 with the Accutrigger would be a good bet.

SCFOOTBALLBEARS
December 24, 2006, 12:00 PM
What is a "tang safety found on mossbergs"? Is it the safety liek on my 12 gauge, on the topside of the gun, right close to thumb position, it's liek a slider switch? If that's what you mean, then I love that feature.

mp510
December 24, 2006, 03:24 PM
I have seen rifled slug barrels for the Mossberg at Dick's, including a centilever mount and scope for less than $200. You may want to look into that.

Yes, your Mosberg has a Tang Safety.

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