What Country Makes The Best Firearms?


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makdaddy03
May 26, 2003, 10:18 PM
In your honest opinion "What Country Makes The Best Firearms?
Please list Country and the firearm. Can be Revolvers, Pistols, Rifles, Shotguns. I will tell you my opinion later.:evil:

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Autolite
May 26, 2003, 10:35 PM
But I gotta vote for Belgium. Fabrique Nationale has punched out a lot of consistantly high quality hardware. I think the Belgiques even invented the shotgun IIRC ...

Schuey2002
May 26, 2003, 10:39 PM
H&K weapons made in Germany!

:uhoh:

EJ
May 26, 2003, 10:45 PM
USA

Rembrandt
May 26, 2003, 10:51 PM
There was a time when West Germany, Austria, and Belgium were home to the finest firearms produced, many were hand fitted....I think that has changed now with the advancement of CNC machining, polymer technology, and advanced metalurgy....the best are now made in the USA....

- STI
- Dakota Arms
- Freedom Arms
- Kimber
- Cooper Arms
- probably some I've forgot

Smith & Wesson along with Ruger have been some of the leaders in new metal technology

Standing Wolf
May 26, 2003, 10:54 PM
I think we do, but probably not by much.

cool45auto
May 26, 2003, 11:41 PM
Italy and USA!:D

ArMa
May 27, 2003, 12:17 AM
I'd have to go for germany, good machinists over there, look at krieghoff for example.

556A2
May 27, 2003, 02:18 AM
I'd say Russia/Soviet Union. You got Mosin-Nagants, SKSs, AK-47/74s, Dragunovs, Nagant revolvers, Tokarevs, and Makarovs. While not the prettiest guns in the world, the relibility, durability, ease of use, and cost makes them worthy in my opinion.

Germany gets 2nd place and the US 3rd.

Ala Dan
May 27, 2003, 03:04 AM
Best Technology: The SWISS Industry Group (SIG)


Best Country Of Manufactuer: West Germany
Home Of The Original: Carl Walther Waffenfabrik (PPK)


Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

chevrofreak
May 27, 2003, 03:05 AM
Austria

Glock and Steyr

HBK
May 27, 2003, 03:33 AM
Germany: H&K and Walther.

El Tejon
May 27, 2003, 07:34 AM
The United States of America.

Sean Smith
May 27, 2003, 07:53 AM
Probably Switzerland.

Snowdog
May 27, 2003, 08:17 AM
Brazil


Oops, did I say that ?
A little humor never hurt anyone.

Art Eatman
May 27, 2003, 09:04 AM
From the standpoint of quality for a given amount of money, I think it's the U.S. Savage rifles come to mind, along with NEF.

Some 40 years back, an engineer at Chevrolet Test Lab commented, "Any fool can make a water pump for a Rolls Royce. You gotta be a pretty sharp engineer to make a water pump you can buy in any parts store for $14, exchange."

Sure, Purdey and Krieghoff make fine guns. My question is whether they are that much more accurate than the mass produced critters, if accuracy is the "test for best".

Remchester's market isn't the same as that of such as Merkel or the custom gunmakers of the U.S. That's why it's hard for me to call any country the home of the best.

To change emphasis: I'll bet that the combined output of the small, independent gunmakers of the U.S., who sell into the IPSC and IDPA markets, and the custom rifle markets (bolt and black) is greater than the rest of the world combined--and of equal quality to any.

:), Art

El Tejon
May 27, 2003, 09:07 AM
Art, isn't Savage made in Canada? They smell like bacon when in the gun shoppe.

fatboyclone
May 27, 2003, 09:42 AM
Germany

stevelyn
May 27, 2003, 10:11 AM
THAT is not even a fair question. Of all the guns out on the market from domestic and foreign makers, all have high quality models. Just the same as they all have a pig somewhere in their manufacturing history. Glock being the exception since their guns are basically scaled up/down versions of the same successful design.
I would lump (I hope the Austrians and Germans forgive me for this) Austria and Germany together as top dogs. Then the USA, especially for custom guns. Belgium for well thought out and universally accepted designs. Russia/Soviets for pure functional reliability. Then Italy for longevity (Beretta) and specialization (shotguns).

WOOHOO! My Bicentennial post.:D

GlocksRock
May 27, 2003, 12:35 PM
Austria, Italy, and the USA. German guns are pretty good too :)

Dave R
May 27, 2003, 01:34 PM
I'd have to say USA.

Sure, some other countries turn out high-quality firearms at premium prices. But the premium-priced firearms in the USA are their equal.

If you look at VALUE, it is hard to beat the big US mfgrs for shooting ability per dollar spent.

The "big 3" bolt guns--Remington, Winchester, Savage--are fine, accurate rifles. Who made better revolvers that S&W? Ruger? Colt? Our shotguns are good values, too. Maybe we can't do a value-priced double as well as some other countries, but pumps & semi's we do well. Military-style rifles? Bushmaster & competitors, Springfield, etc. Pistols? Our semi's are as good as theirs, on average. Maybe a few exceptions.

ArMa
May 27, 2003, 01:45 PM
yes krieghoff is one of the more prettier shotguns but I talked to someone who owns a KS5 and I made him explain why he likes it soo much, well he said "its easy to swing, damn near aims itself. fast action too, even if you flinch you usually get the shot off before it makes a difference."
sure, this guy owns a gunstore/pawnshop and has more money than most people in this town but hes a pretty honest guy believe it or not.
Also from germany: Walther, Mauser, H&K...

sm
May 27, 2003, 02:04 PM
US

I've shot those $30-40K Kreigoffs and such...and you know I can miss with them too.:D Didn't get style points either. Actually rec'd more style points running 50 straight with a Win.42 pump( ticked the Perazzi guy, tickeled me).

I recall the old Winchester Guys turning out stuff in the custom shop that would cause envy, from anyone , from any country.

23's ,101's, 12's, 52's model 70's...

Stevie-Ray
May 27, 2003, 02:33 PM
I think the USA, now, but a few years ago I probably wouldn't have said that.

JohnBT
May 27, 2003, 02:53 PM
Czech Republic.

And Finland.

;)

Best for the money anyway.

JT

Powderman
May 27, 2003, 03:19 PM
Well, I admit that I am a sucker for good firearms from anywhere. I particularly like Lugers and SIG's. I think that Berettas are very nice, and that HK's run like Swiss watches.

But, as far as the BEST firearms, well, let's see..........

Question 1: What single-action revolver from what company is probably the most copied and imitated handgun in the free world?
Hint: Does the word "Peacemaker" ring a bell?

Question 2: What semi-automatic handgun has been--or is being--copied in countries like Brazil, Argentina, and even China, and whose reputation is known worldwide as a fight stopper? Another hint: It sure ain't Glock.

Question 3. Name the lever action rifle so popular that it--and others like it--are known and classified by name alone? By the way, just who started Cowboy Action shooting anyway?

There are lots of good arms manufacturers out there. And no, we don't even have the oldest one--that distinction belongs to Beretta. But what other firearms company can equal the workmanship of a Smith and Wesson revolver, the versatility of the 1911 series, or the durability and timeless design of the Single Action Army?

In other countries, you might find one or two good barrel makers. In this country alone, how many do we have? And, how many of those have international reputations?

Yes, there are countries that turn out some outstanding firearms of one type or another. But, across the board for firearm excellence and workmanship, you just can't beat the good old USA.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

jimbo
May 27, 2003, 08:51 PM
Germany. I mean, do they even make a bad gun? Has Germany EVER made a bad gun? (And I'm not refering to the Interarms PPK here -- that was American made.)

Kharn
May 27, 2003, 09:56 PM
Snow Dog:
Brazil *IS* the only country with a set of FN machinery still cranking out brand new FALs (under the Imbel brand name).

Kharn

KRAUTGUNNER
May 28, 2003, 01:31 PM
IMHO Germany makes the best hunting rifles (Krieghoff, Blaser, Heym, Sauer).

S&W and Ruger are the top dogs when you search fine revolvers.

The best pistols ever made are the Beretta 92 and the SIG 210.

Regarding military rifles I think that the SIG 550 is the champion. Although the M14, the AK-47 and the G3 come veeeery close.

Russ
May 28, 2003, 01:36 PM
Germany and the US. Love those Kimbers!

mohican
May 28, 2003, 01:54 PM
The best guns are made in the USA
I would rate the swiss second

In Belgium, a 9mm is a "high power"
In the USA, a 44 mag is "adequate for deer"

On the whole, I think our guns handle and function better

Think about it

the European countries were settled and guns were secondary, recreational

We developed our guns as we settled our country. Our guns evolved out of necessity. From flintlock to percussion to cartridge to repeaters our guns advanced as we went from east to west.

The luger (a fine design) is in the realm of the collector and curious. A 1911 is still viable, and many police and miltary would still carry it if allowed to.

The Garand and M14 is still one of the finest semi or auto designs, as is Eugene Stoner's ar15,m16, ar10 family of designs

If you had to take an autoloader deer hunting, would you rather have a garand, or a ak or sks?

Ala Dan
May 28, 2003, 02:04 PM
Yes, Germany does have at least one less than perfect
firearm's maker; Arminus!:uhoh: I haven't seen
any of their revolver's that was worth $.02 cent's.:D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

RustyHammer
May 28, 2003, 02:19 PM
U.S.A. ---> M1 Garand.

casual
May 28, 2003, 07:15 PM
U.S.A., overall.

honorable mention to Finland for those sweet Sakos & Tikkas


casual

Safety First
May 28, 2003, 07:38 PM
Love my Sig P-239 that was made right here in the good ole usa...

CZ-75
May 28, 2003, 10:40 PM
Has Germany EVER made a bad gun?

Worse than Arminus is RG. :barf:

firestar
May 28, 2003, 10:45 PM
If you are talking about custom guns, I would have to say Germany. There are many old world type craftsmen there.

If you are talking about production guns, I think I would still pick Germany. SIGs, H&K, Walther.

If you are talking about best gun for the money, I think the Chechs have it.

Combat-wombat
May 28, 2003, 11:22 PM
Germany, Austria, Switzerland. (USA and Italy aren't bad, either.)
Firestar: Sigs are made in Switzerland, not Germany

CZ-75
May 28, 2003, 11:31 PM
Sigs are made in Switzerland, not Germany

Au contraire. I believe the majority of their handguns are German made. The P210 is Swiss, as is the P230/232; the 239 and PRO(?, IIRC) are US made. Their full and semi-auto rifles are also Swiss. I believe most of their bolt guns are German made. IOW, they make guns in 3 countries.

Jeff
May 28, 2003, 11:33 PM
What about Israel?

Galil, Uzi, Desert Eagle.

Ala Dan
May 29, 2003, 12:37 AM
as MY P220 and P228 are plainly marked made in WEST GERMANY!

Why?

Because the Swiss export law's prohibit firearms
manufactuer'ers from shipping weapons designed for
combat and/or war, to other countries!:rolleyes: :uhoh:

So with German manufactuer, you get the best of both
world's:

SWISS TECHNOLOGY and GERMAN CRAFTSMANSHIP

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

David
May 29, 2003, 12:41 AM
Over the history of firearms, I think the...

USA

modifiedbrowning
May 29, 2003, 01:06 AM
Germany. Walther.

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