Christmas with my anti-gun family


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Redneck with a 40
December 23, 2006, 01:26 AM
Well its Christmas weekend and my immediate family is coming up to the house. My brother, his wife, his kids, and my cousin. My dad is very pro-gun and a life long hunter, he taught me how to shoot when I was 8 years old, its my brother that I am primarily concerned about. My brother is the most vehemently anti-gun, he's an emotional extremist on the issue. A few months back when we got together, he noticed a Shooting Times magazine laying on the living room table and just about went ballistic. He started tearing into me about how guns kill and that by owning guns, I was just a "ticking time-bomb". Funny thing is, I didn't do anything to provoke any of this, just an innocent magazine for crying out loud! My brother's wife is a school teacher, she has bought into the media bullsh** hook, line and sinker. I even offered to teach her son how to shoot, he's 10. I figured he was old enough to learn on my Ruger 22/45, but she will have none of it. She won't let him get anywhere near a gun, talk about guns, he'll probably never get to experience the wonderful hobby of shooting, its a real shame.

I think one factor in all of this is that my brother is a "social progressive".:barf: He believes in all of the social utopia garbage and people should rely on the social network for protection...i.e the police. I strongly disagree with this position and I consider myself a "cultural traditionalist" with strong conservative belief's.

I really hope I can have a nice, friendly Christmas weekend with my family, as I enjoy this holiday and time spent with family. I just hope my brother will leave the topic of guns alone, I hope he does not bring it up! If he leaves the subject alone, it should be an ok weekend. It'll be interesting to see if he reacts to the sight of my reloading bench in the basement, as he is sure to go down there to see our new sauna.:D I've got bullets, primers, brass, and powder all in plain sight:D and I'm not going to hide it, just because he is coming to the house.

I think its a real travesty that some people will try to criminalize honest, hard working, good citizens because they own guns. This pisses me off. As an example, this weekend I'm under orders from my dad to hide all of my gun magazines, make sure my guns are hidden and un-loaded, just to avoid a confrontation. Personally, I could give a sh** what he thinks about my guns or my shooting hobby, he's totally brainwashed with mass media bull-sh**. It really bothers me that my brother is trying to make me feel ashamed because I own guns, on the contrary, I'm damn proud of it.:D I think its really sad that we have reached this stage in America, I'm sure I'm not alone in this either.

Ok, end of rant! :D

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Old Fuff
December 23, 2006, 01:47 AM
I might compromise and hide the gun magazines just to keep the peace for your Dad's sake...

But if he sees the reloading set-up... Oh well ... :evil:

MikeWSC
December 23, 2006, 01:55 AM
Hey Redneck,

Have you turned the tables on your brother? Start in on him about not supporting
our Second Ammendment rights. How doctors kill more people than guns.
How guns protect people from those looking to hurt them or someone they
care about.
and on and on...
OR how 'bout that you respect his decision not to own firearms and if he should respect yours.
If he can't respect your RIGHT to own them, to keep
his mouth shut while he's in YOUR HOME (nicely :D )!!

All this, you may have tried :banghead: , it ticks me off just knowing you have to deal with
this on a holiday with your family :fire: . Hope it works out somehow.

One thing I have noticed that my family does that I have stopped doing.
They would not hold their gound on some things.
If we are with other people and my love of hunting/guns comes up and an
"anti" starts up, I firmly hold my ground, have more knowledge on the truths
about hunting and firearms. I don't get loud, I stay calm but will not budge
on my beliefs and rights. ESPECIALLY in my own home!!!!

Best Wishes ........ Mike

zastros
December 23, 2006, 01:56 AM
I've had this one too. When it was important to keep the peace I said to the offending party, "Look, I'll debate you on the issue some other time if it's really important to you, but I don't want to break up a nice get together by fighting about this. Do you?"
This put him in the position of being the jerk if he kept trying to fight about it. I looked like the the nice guy, and he looked like an a$$. It was sweet.

If that doesn't work, go the route of 'Do you have a fire extinguisher in your house?' That keeps him on the defensive. Stay calm, make him the jerk.


zastros

miconoakisland
December 23, 2006, 02:09 AM
De-gun mag your home for the sake of familial harmony. Throw a sheet over your reloading equipment.

This is the time of year for family togetherness.
Swallow your gunsmanship for the sake of your mother.
If pinned up against a wall in a firearm discussion, then let loose! But don't start it!
Invite the anti relatives to your home in January alone. Don't hide anything, but don't go out of your way to flaunt firearms. If he sees your reloading equipment on his way to the sauna and goes "ballistic" then ask him to leave.

Christmas family get togethers is not the appropiate time to expose differences of opinion. Be the bigger person and anti-anti-gun your home for the broader family's sake. Don't give the ignorant ammo to ruin a family Christmas.

ArchAngelCD
December 23, 2006, 02:14 AM
Even though it's your home and you can do what you want in it keeping the holiday a happy one is very important too. I agree with the above posts, offer to debate him at another time because the holidays are no time to fight.

It's too bad that progressives advocate free speech and freedom of choice unless you don't agree with them. When that happens, the only freedoms that seem to matter to them are their freedoms and everyone else is wrong and has no right to use their freedom of speech or choice.

Iím betting if something really bad happened in this country (God forbid) your house would be the first place he would think to go to.

Bottom line, keep the peace and "Take The High Road"

Merry Christmas

yongxingfreesty
December 23, 2006, 02:15 AM
hey, my family is like that too. we ve had our house broken into three times and they still dont see it......

Mot45acp
December 23, 2006, 02:15 AM
Buying him a subscripsion to Shotgun News without telling him?

cassandrasdaddy
December 23, 2006, 02:26 AM
then she got mugged changed her though 6 years as a public defender helped too

RevolvingCylinder
December 23, 2006, 02:27 AM
Sounds like your brother has no respect for you. He had no right to treat you like that in your own home. You don't treat him like crap because he's a socialist. The least he can do is respect you and your lifestyle and not tell you what you can and can't have in your home. If all he does is look for an excuse to verbally abuse you then why does he come to your home? This isn't about Amendment II or civil rights. This is about the relationship you have with your brother. And it doesn't sound like a very good one to me.

Limeyfellow
December 23, 2006, 02:29 AM
It's too bad that progressives advocate free speech and freedom of choice unless you don't agree with them. When that happens, the only freedoms that seem to matter to them are their freedoms and everyone else is wrong and has no right to use their freedom of speech or choice.

Just remember many progressives are extremely progun too for example the founding fathers of the US, who see firearms as a mean of protection hard fought rights and privilages from a government who wanted to keep the old traditions alive which usually meant in most places a big crack down on arming the peasents for they might revolt and want things progressed and not treated like serfs.

Many progressives get rather annoyed when they instantly seen as gunhating losers who don't want to hear anything. Remember there are weirdos on any side of the issue who are so vehemently oppose things. An example would be the guy who believes in the value of live and shows it by blowing up an abortion clinic and killing people. You can't get rid of all the dicks in the world unfortantly and most people are not so extreme.

LarryS.
December 23, 2006, 02:32 AM
There's always Motel 6........:rolleyes:

Travis Lee
December 23, 2006, 04:30 AM
I don't care how much you try to hide your hobby like it's a dirty little secret, and make nice with him..... your brother is going to start up with you because he is imbued with the superiority of the annointed.

Strap a pistol on your belt, and tell him to be civil or not come at all.

If my family can't respect my house or me, they are no family at all.

Just my .02.

--Travis--

TIMC
December 23, 2006, 04:37 AM
Just tell him "Hey my guns live here and you are just visiting so shut up!"

TheGrouch
December 23, 2006, 04:50 AM
My father-in-law is anti private ownership. He's a decorated Vietnam war vet and believes that anything beyond a single-shot shotgun is reserved for military/police. He even offered to shoot me, "to show me how it felt" (not kidding in any way,shape, or form).


He was informed in a warm, fuzzy and cordial manner not to bring up the subject again.

crashresidue
December 23, 2006, 04:55 AM
Cheers,

TL - RIGHT ON!

Had my sister-in-law blow up at X-Mas dinner, took her plate away from her, opened the front door and invited her to "un-ass my house".

Haven't seen her or my brother since - no LOSS.

Life is a b@tch.
cr:evil:

fireandforget
December 23, 2006, 05:16 AM
Political differences and gun control views are no reason for a family to fight or argue over. The replies about not upsetting your parents is right on target. That being said, as long as your house doesn't resemble a bunker or unsafe firearm practice is occuring, particularily with children present he should be respectful. A "ticking time bomb" is an extreme overreaction. I'm not a family counselor by any means, I would ignore such comments or just smile and walk away. Later, address him and tell him "we're family I respect your opinion(even if u don't)" or "that you respect his right to his own opinion". And that "we can have this talk, but a family get together is not the place for such a discussion." If that doesn't work try rebuffing his comments, with humor. Invite him to a gun show and laugh. If he insists on causing family turmoil at least u took the "high road"

telomerase
December 23, 2006, 05:26 AM
Yeah, just concentrate on being more courteous than he is. It's the most effective technique. If he gets annoying on the subject, just say that everyone has to make the decisions about how to defend their family. If he chooses not to defend them, there's nothing you can do about it.

Clipper
December 23, 2006, 05:38 AM
...If any of my family ever attempted to dictate to me how I conduct my life, or how I run my home, they can feel free to boycott it. If your brother wants to go to war over your gun ownership, and chooses to do it at your house, invite him to leave forthwith. If your dad tries to dictate what is or isn't visible, invite him to host the get together at his house. You can choose who you hang out with, but dumb luck decides who you're related to...

ArfinGreebly
December 23, 2006, 06:26 AM
The opinions of the ignorant have no standing.

Your brother has evidently been well and truly whipped by his wife. Too bad she wears the trousers.

I will happily discuss most topics, and when I'm the ignorant one, I mostly listen.

When someone tries to grab the moral high ground on a subject where they have no experience, I offer the reminder that, while anyone may have an opinion, an informed opinion is preferred, and that is achieved through experience.

It's hard to enlighten someone who already knows everything, so I don't try.

The "social progressives" have had their way with the US school system for more than 40 years, and they've pretty much botched it. Our schools suck worse with each succeeding generation. They demand more money and authority, they are given both, and the result is academic incompetence.

Anyone associated with a long-duration failure of this magnitude is simply not equipped to instruct you in morality. Or much of anything else.

Feel free to remind them that the system they try so hard to dismantle was designed by men whose shoes they aren't fit to polish. The founders were among the best educated, most literate, morally brave men that ever walked. The "progressives" have been trying to second-guess them since Marx. And all they've done is move us so far down the world's academic standings that we're a global scholastic joke.

So, rather than taking a hammer to the constitution, which clearly isn't working as a strategy for social health, how about something more constructive than hysteria over the 2nd amendment?

I must say, if I found myself hosting a family member whose spouse had neutralized his ability for rational discourse, I wouldn't keep testing my ability to cope with committed ignorance and unwanted stress.

Love you, bro, but y'all have parked your powers of reasoning. You'll be welcome here when you can get past the emotional bias and deal in real facts.

Also note, anyone -- ANYONE -- who believes he can tell you what you think and feel, or pretend he knows more about you than you do ("you're a ticking time bomb") is acting with arrogance.

Some day you should come to my house and try "evaluating" my thoughts and feelings and my hidden motives for me. You'll be met, as has everyone else that's tried that, with a stern and quiet response: "Don't ever presume to know what's going on in my head or heart. You don't know, and your opinion has no standing."

My best to you and your family.

Stand strong. The principle is worth it.

1911 guy
December 23, 2006, 10:39 AM
Your two priorities are 1) getting along for the sake of the rest of the family and 2) telling your brother and sister-in-law that it's your house and they're welcome to leave anytime.

Personally, I'd go along to get along as much as possible that time. If they step out of line to the extent you are afraid they might, a phone call afterward will let them know to not come back until they plan on being polite.

Or, you could go to their house and pitch a fit that there's nothing in the house suitable for protecting your family while you're there. Go on to point out that only a spineless coward gives in to irrational fears to the detriment of his family's safety. Tell you S-I-L that if she'd get off the broom she'd have a better view of reality and may be able to salvage the young man she's working so hard to mentally and emotionally screw up for life.

Manedwolf
December 23, 2006, 10:44 AM
I think one factor in all of this is that my brother is a "social progressive". He believes in all of the social utopia garbage and people should rely on the social network for protection...i.e the police. I strongly disagree with this position and I consider myself a "cultural traditionalist" with strong conservative belief's.

As it's said, a conservative is a leftist who's just been mugged.

It really seems to be all that convinces them. A lot of idealists "converted" and realized they needed at least a handgun or shotgun and training after Katrina, if they were in the affected area.

Just words won't undo a lifetime of school system and media training to be anti-gun. Unfortunately, it takes shock therapy.

Gun Geezer
December 23, 2006, 10:59 AM
Sure, set the the video to montior you guns for a whole week. The when you able to proof that they have not killed anyone during that time, you give your brother the video as a Christmas present! He will love the thought you made this gift yourself instead of buying it!:D

In his stocking, give him a 1-year membership to the NRA! Give your nephew a membership, too! They will get 2 magazines each month so they can learn the truth. How much fun is that!??!:D :D

Kaylee
December 23, 2006, 11:10 AM
I've had this one too. When it was important to keep the peace I said to the offending party, "Look, I'll debate you on the issue some other time if it's really important to you, but I don't want to break up a nice get together by fighting about this. Do you?"

Excellent approach. :D

bumm
December 23, 2006, 11:42 AM
I agree with those advising you to stay above the fight. Your brother sounds like a condescending liberal asshat. Let him be his own bad example. Do as your father asks, and stash the gun magazines somewhere. That's just being a good host, and not wimping out. However, this is YOUR HOUSE and YOUR LIFE. Don't cover up your reloading bench, and if the interior decoration involves an old gun over the mantle, it should stay. If your brother picks a fight, do as others have said, and offer to debate him some other time, but now it's Christmas. If he persists, let him rant. If there are any fence sitters in your family, they will see the situation for what it is.
Rosie O'Donnell (spelling?) has done a lot for our second amendment rights by being an obnoxious, strident, bitch.
Marty

Redneck with a 40
December 23, 2006, 11:48 AM
I have already hidden the gun magazines in the interest of avoiding a confrontation. However, the reloading bench stays put.:D It would take me several hours to dismantle my setup, I'm not doing that for the sake of a few hours of family time.

Next time I'm at my brother's house, I should carry concealed, he'd never know it was there. I have a Colorado CCW.:evil:

I've already sent my brother several gun facts print-outs from the internet and I directed him to the website www.gunfacts.info. I hope he was open minded enough to look at it, but I have my doubts.

wuluf
December 23, 2006, 11:50 AM
Just tell him "Hey my guns live here and you are just visiting so shut up!"

hee hee, that's great!

i have similar problems with most of my family, very "progressive" not just on gun issues but welfare, etc. i know i'm not going to change their minds, and God knows they won't change mine...so i just look at my wife and say:" wow, how 'bout them Giants this year, babe? Think Bonds will ever break the record?" It took awhile but even my Dad gets the message and we talk about something else...

Glockfan.45
December 23, 2006, 12:07 PM
I have had this problem before with inlaws. My wife isnt anti but her folks sure are :confused: . Either way we had her family over one Thanksgiving for the first and last time. I have a Savage 1911 that was my Grandfathers WWII sidearm. I love that gun and I am as proud of it as a man can be of an inanimate object. I normally keep it on the wall (unloaded of course) in a nice shadow box along with his medals, and service ribbons. Well either way the :cuss: of a mother in law (we have never managed to get along) strolls in and notices it for the first time. I caught her eyeing it and before I had a chance to say anything she has the nerve to ask me why I would endanger my family by having an "implement of death" lying around. She then proceeded to tell me that I was an terrible parent to even keep guns in a home with children and demanded that I remove it from her sight or she would leave. I never said a word just smiled, walked quietly to the door, opened it, and made an outward sweeping gesture with my hand. They have not been back to our home since nor are they welcome. My advice is your a grown man living in your own home so do as you damn well please. Guest that over step their boundries need not be tolorated family or not.

Pilgrim
December 23, 2006, 12:08 PM
If I had a brother like that, I think I would invite some soldiers, sailors, Marines, airmen, etc. from the local military base who can't go home for the holidays instead.

Pilgrim

LkWinnipesaukee
December 23, 2006, 12:15 PM
When he starts ranting about guns, pull your shirt up and show him your carry piece

jeep-2
December 23, 2006, 12:17 PM
I agree with those advising you to stay above the fight. Your brother sounds like a condescending liberal asshat. Let him be his own bad example. Do as your father asks, and stash the gun magazines somewhere. That's just being a good host, and not wimping out.

Does this mean take down the mounted deer heads and put the mounted pheasant and squrril in the attic?

jad0110
December 23, 2006, 12:21 PM
I've had this one too. When it was important to keep the peace I said to the offending party, "Look, I'll debate you on the issue some other time if it's really important to you, but I don't want to break up a nice get together by fighting about this. Do you?"

I really like this approach too. Makes him the A-Hole if he persists. At most, you can put the magazines away, simply as part of tidying up the house for guests, but I would go NO further. If you bend over backwards to accomodate, brother and sister-in-law may well be emboldened to go on the offense even more rabidly.

If it were me, I certainly would not bring up the topic. If the tactic quoted above does not work and it degenerates, I think you have to be prepared to ask them to excuse themselves.

After the holidays, then you can let loose with some broadsides of your own. We can't win this battle by simply staying on the defensive all the time.

Let us know how it all goes.

2400
December 23, 2006, 12:30 PM
My advice is you're a grown man living in your own home so do as you damn well please. Guests that over step their boundries need not be tolerated family or not.

Well said.

slocum
December 23, 2006, 12:32 PM
I really hope I can have a nice, friendly Christmas weekend with my family, as I enjoy this holiday and time spent with family. I just hope my brother will leave the topic of guns alone, I hope he does not bring it up! If he leaves the subject alone, it should be an ok weekend. It'll be interesting to see if he reacts to the sight of my reloading bench in the basement, as he is sure to go down there to see our new sauna. I've got bullets, primers, brass, and powder all in plain sight and I'm not going to hide it, just because he is coming to the house.
I think it’s naÔve to think that he will leave the topic alone, particularly since YOU’RE not leaving it alone. You say that you don’t want a confrontation and yet your reloading bench is the stage that you‘ve set for precisely that. It’s okay that you leave it up but don’t kid yourself (or anyone else) about your truest intentions – to provoke an argument that you feel you can and must win.

Look we all know that people like this exist, and that they pollute the air with every word they utter against things they do not understand and thus, fear. The trouble is that this is like an argument over religion – there’s nothing rational about it. The only way to steer clear of the dispute is to follow two rules. First, do not instigate a renewal of the dispute and second, do not tolerate HIS instigation of the dispute. If he brings it up you give him ONE warning that you’re not in the mood.

You say, "I will say this only once. We are not here today to debate our differences on this topic. That is for a different time and place. I expect you to heed my wishes in my home."

Be sincere – and SERIOUS - in your request that he leave it alone. Be aware though that your credibility will rest on your efforts to keep the subject beneath the waves.

So it really all boils down to this: Quit being stubborn and either dismantle the reloading bench or leave the sauna out of the program “out of respect” for their preferences on certain matters. I’m sure they’ll understand. Finally, use your mouth and ears in the proportion to which they are installed if the subject comes up. This is truly a case of less being more. The less you say, the more they will appear to have said, and the more reasonable (and gracious) you will appear to have been as a host.

I suspect you'll know what to do about future invites or hosting opportunities if you take the high road this time. Seems appropriate - considering the site this is posted on, doesn't it?

s

MrDig
December 23, 2006, 12:37 PM
I agree with the "time and place for everything and this is neither the time nor the place for this discussion" Attitude.
Follow that approach and you come off as the more reasonable of the two protagonists. Antagonizing and or goading the issue is absolutely more damaging to your argument than his.
Finally, using the "My house and if you don't like it leave" card should be reserved for your protagonists refusal to respect your right to table the issue in light of the Holiday. Unfortunately this requires a level of patience that I am likely to be lacking, and only aspire to. I have managed to pull it off once in awhile so I can tell you it is extremely gratifying to accomplish.
P.S. You can always set Ground Rules prior to a gathering like this so you don't have to deal with it During.

bumm
December 23, 2006, 12:41 PM
Jeep-2 was asking
>Does this mean take down the mounted deer heads
> and put the mounted pheasant and squrril in the
> attic?

Nope. They fit in with leaving the gun over the mantle. It's his house. One can go to simple steps to accomodate company though, and I don't think putting the gun mags away as his father requested is unreasonable. I've been in one home where a couple with small children kept "Playboy" on the living room coffee table. I wasn't offended, (I'm a guy..,) but in my head, I had to question their judgement.
Marty

BobMcG
December 23, 2006, 01:42 PM
Well, I'm certainly thankful I don't have to deal with such a problem. I only have one brother and he shares my love of firearms ownership, hunting, shooting and handloading. I have a sister who's husband is just like my brother and me and is bringing my nephew up likewise. However, I do have a sister who has no fondness of firearms whatsoever. She's intelligent enough though to respect the way the rest of the family chooses to live and doesn't make an issue of it. As far as my father goes, he's more interested in "seeing the new piece you just bought" and wouldn't dream of telling any of us gun enthusiasts to hide any firearms related items from the view of anyone just to appear to be "politically correct".

IMO: If your brother can't accept the way you live your life than he's the "little man" of the family, shows no respect for you and doesn't have to be present in your home. It's not like someone is putting a gun to his head (pun intended) and trying to convert him to your way of thinking and living when he does come into your home.

It's certainly up to you whether or not to play the part of a hypocrite and "hide" things from him and his family in fear of offending them or just to appear politically correct. Yeah, if you did, some say that this would be you being the "bigger person" or you "taking the high road".... really?... wouldn't that just as easily be you copping out from who you really are, taking the easy path, selling yourself and your values out?

Go out of your way to put it in his face? No, absolutely not. Pick up some gun magazines? Sure. Going so far as to hide your loading equipment etc.? No way. He should be able to just accept you for who you are and keep his mouth shut. If he decides he can't extend you that courtesy as a your brother and a guest in your home then maybe he should be shown the door.

PennsyPlinker
December 23, 2006, 01:58 PM
Lots of opinions here, but if it were my brother, I would call him ahead of time and explain in a very polite but direct manner that he is coming to your house. I would say something like this:

"You are coming to my house, and you will respect my lifestyle while you are in it. If you cannot do that, then do not come. Merry Christmas."

You do not have to hide anything, but on the other hand I would not go out of the way to provoke a response. In other words, don't go to any trouble to hide the reloading stuff, but put the magazines away. but if he cannot respect your home and the spirit of a family gathering, he is the bad guy, not you. Don't back down to him.

We have a similar relative in the family who has publicly jumped all over me for all sorts of things that she hates. She hates guns, Christians, conservatives, and strong male personalities. She has been told very bluntly that she is not welcome in our home, and that we will not be coming to hers. The rest of the family understands, and some have secretly expressed admiration that someone actually stood up to her crap.


Edit in:
As an example, this weekend I'm under orders from my dad to hide all of my gun magazines, make sure my guns are hidden and un-loaded, just to avoid a confrontation.

I already mentioned the magazines, but when people are in my home, all the guns are locked up except the one I have on my person. Just because someone hates guns doesn't mean they won't pick one up and do something really stupid - not to mention dangerous!

Antihero
December 23, 2006, 03:00 PM
Hmm i cant really give you real life experience as my family is pro gun and im an only child. but here is some thoughts and opinions:


Your brother sounds like a very arrogant bully IMHO. This is your house and not only should he not attack you in your house,and your family should not have family gathering at your house and then dictate how you should live. The only real thing that they should have a say in is if you have guns thrown haphazardly and dangerously around people who apparently know very little about guns.

I would personally have a very stern,calm conversation with your brother saying basically

" This is my house, do not attack me in it or you are not welcome in it. I dont go over to your house and yell at you about your inability to protect your family and your befuddling reliance on others to protect what you most charish"

Human relationships work best when there are boundaries, and the best way to deal with arrogance and bullies is to deflate their self importance and talk to them in a calm voice. Using big words to speak eloquently is also good.

All in all i wouldnt hope that your brother and his wife dont ruin your family get together, i would take action to make sure things go smoothly. After all families are all about accepting everyone in the said family and love.

I dont think your brother practices either.....

The-Fly
December 23, 2006, 03:09 PM
Before I got into guns myself (2 years ago), I stayed at the cabin of my (now ex) gf's family. The gf's dad keep a loaded 44mag and SKS on the gun rack in the cabin. I asked him about how safe it was to keep the guns loaded in a VERY polite manner, and he replied "They're not much use if they aren't loaded, and besides, they only go bang when you pull the trigger".

Made perfect sense to me, and I never had a problem with loaded firearms near me from that point on. In fact, that guy reintroduced me into shooting the next day, and a month later, I bought my first gun :)

Moral of the story: I can understand someone asking a polite question if there are firearms openly present, but they should use some common sense. Freaking out over a magazine, mounted firearm in a case, etc, is just plain retarded.

Zen21Tao
December 23, 2006, 03:16 PM
You should put out some car magazines where he is bound to see them. Then, appologize profusely to him for leaving "magazines about those insensitive death machines" out, making sure to mention to him how more people are killed by vehicles each year than guns. You may also want to leave a cutlary magazine (that sells kichen knives) out and do the same with that magazine, noting how knives are also "tools" that some use to kill. Maybe with enough sarcasm he will get the point.

limbaughfan
December 23, 2006, 04:09 PM
I would debate him , I like to debate.But wait for the right time to debate him.

Werewolf
December 23, 2006, 04:58 PM
De-gun mag your home for the sake of familial harmony. Throw a sheet over your reloading equipment.

:cuss: That is exactly the attitude that the law abiding citizens of the gun community have as a whole. Let's hide our evil dirty guns so they won't offend or scare the sheople. Keep 'em in the closet - maybe then the sheople won't notice 'em and will leave us alone.

Oh it's OK for them to deride and excoriate gun owners and enthusiasts because we're just so darn tolerant. We can't fight back because we're just so darn tolerant. We can't exercise our 1st amendment rights because we're just so darn tolerant.

Freedom isn't for us because it might upset others and WE'RE JUST SO DARN TOLERANT.

That hasn't worked for the past 67 years and it will not work now.

As long as we hide our guns, our thoughts and our attitudes about them nothing will change and the day WILL come when the Police DO come to get them. AND WE'LL LET 'EM! WE'RE JUST SO DARN TOLERANT .

Yep - see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil. That'll work.

Travis Lee
December 23, 2006, 05:03 PM
Zen, I'm sure you realize that sarcasm is utterly useless on those kinder, smarter, wiser, more compassionate liberal gun bigots.

They are the annointed.

Just ask 'em.

--Travis--

SoCalShooter
December 23, 2006, 05:56 PM
Wow, that is really silly. So your got the bug and had it transferred from your dad to you and your brother turned into a socialist? WTH

I would not keep the peace however. This is one of my favorite phrases: flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo ("If I cannot move heaven I will raise hell") Its your home you should do what you want. If he gives you grief remind him that its your guns that will protect him and his family if a BG was to interrupt your christmas festivities. That should shut him up...probably..



That is exactly the attitude that the law abiding citizens of the gun community have as a whole. Let's hide our evil dirty guns so they won't offend or scare the sheople. Keep 'em in the closet - maybe then the sheople won't notice 'em and will leave us alone.

Oh it's OK for them to deride and excoriate gun owners and enthusiasts because we're just so darn tolerant. We can't fight back because we're just so darn tolerant. We can't exercise our 1st amendment rights because we're just so darn tolerant.

Freedom isn't for us because it might upset others and WE'RE JUST SO DARN TOLERANT.

That hasn't worked for the past 67 years and it will not work now.

As long as we hide our guns, our thoughts and our attitudes about them nothing will change and the day WILL come when the Police DO come to get them. AND WE'LL LET 'EM! WE'RE JUST SO DARN TOLERANT .

Yep - see no evil, speak no evil and hear no evil. That'll work.


nice thats exactly the communities problem as of late.

SwampFox
December 23, 2006, 06:29 PM
One thing I have noticed about progressives. In the process of "freeing" themselves of our male dominated culture they have also freed themselves of the type of social courtesy that kept us civil.

I would discuss the expected courtesy of a guest in my home instead of the gun question.

phonesysphonesys
December 23, 2006, 06:45 PM
My son in law and his wife are a couple of liberial, retro- hippies. They came out to visit us. My wifes son asked my wife to hide (store else where) my guns. My wife asked me to do so. I didn't comply. I did make safe the various weapon for home defense because of the grand daughter (3 yrs). While they were here I walked by my gun cabinet and saw it was covered by a sheet. I let it ride in the interest of peace and harmony. Now when we visit with them I hear nothing about guns and I carry there. They even let me store my shotgun in the house when I was going dove hunting with my daughter. Sometimes giving a little can acheive a lot.

But a man has to do what man has to do!

Semper Fi

SoCalShooter
December 23, 2006, 06:57 PM
One thing I have noticed about progressives. In the process of "freeing" themselves of our male dominated culture they have also freed themselves of the type of social courtesy that kept us civil.


More like the castration.

I dont change my habits and I wont hide my hobby. I don't willingly bring the subject up, but if it should arise I will not hesitate to put some 'socialist progressive hippy" in their place. (especially in my own damn home)

I hope he does not have the confrontation with his hippy brother but dont back down and "stick to your guns".

cbsbyte
December 23, 2006, 07:19 PM
Its funny that many people believe that only Liberals are anti-RKBA. In fact I would bet there is a good % of conservatives that are equally, anti-gun. For example the famous Mrs. Brady is a Republican and quite conservative on many issues. In my family I have a two cousins who are very conservative(Rush Limbaugh listening), both served in the military for several years, one was a Warrant Officer and they are as anti gun as you can get. Heck I know more liberals that own guns that conservatives.

Anyway it is best not too talk about politics during the holidays especially with family.

Missashot
December 23, 2006, 07:43 PM
It really boils down to how far are you willing to go in order to keep the peace?
If it were me, I would stash the magazines. (That is just polite anyway.:) ) And possibly throw a sheet over the reloading bench.
But that is about as far as I would go. And then after Christmas is over and everyone is back to their happy routines, but well before the next visit. I would explain that it is my home and while I will try to be a most gracious host, all guests (family or not) will be asked to show my household some respect. Since I was kind enough to allow them into my home.:)
Sometimes people (especially family) do not have a clue as to how rude they really are.:eek:

Speer
December 23, 2006, 07:48 PM
Its your home you should do what you want.

Right. Any arrogant socialist in my family would do well to STFU in my home. Thank Odin my bloodlines are dominated by gun lovers.

Redneck with a 40
December 23, 2006, 08:19 PM
My brother = probation officer with a degree in human development. He was indoctrinated in college. I've always been the conservative, traditional, mountain man type, my brother took the track of sophisticated city slicker.:neener:

Generally speaking, people that are in social work tend to be anti-gun, they see guns as adding to the cycle of violence, an affront to the justice system.:rolleyes:

SoCalShooter
December 23, 2006, 08:22 PM
The cycle of violence is the reason we keep getting newer technology on the gun front. :)

mainebear
December 23, 2006, 08:25 PM
Boy oh boy, don't those liberal anti-whatever nuts burn me up. I think that Zastros & Revolving Cylinder have the right approaches to this problem. If he wants a debate, give it to him. But, at the right place & time.

Also, it is Your Home. They know before they come that you have guns etc.. What insensitive arrogant clods to come into your home for a family event and expect everyone within earshot to listen to their rantings, ravings, bitchin, & moaning, wailing & knashing of teeth. It sounds like this guy has either an overblown sense of self worth, or no respect for you.

Its a shame but we all run into these types. If we hide or change we give the impression that we have something to either be ashamed of, or to hide. After putting up with this kind of treatment myself for years, I now just say to h**l with em, I've got rights too.

Redneck with a 40
December 23, 2006, 08:38 PM
I hope my brother does not react negatively when we open Christmas presents, I'm expecting a Marlin 22 magnum rifle and I bought my dad a magazine for his P-11 9mm.:D That'll put it in his face, but oh well, I'm not about the "politically correct presents". :D :evil: I say "rock on with Christmas guns".

Mr White
December 23, 2006, 08:50 PM
I say you take a slightly different approach. Just get really drunk and threaten to shoot him if he starts anything. :evil:

That, or take the High Road like everyone else suggests.

Just remember that if he insists on starting a fight, you have the moral high ground AND the home field advantage.

I hope you have a nice Christmas despite your ********* brother. Your dad must be very proud of him.

gezzer
December 23, 2006, 09:15 PM
Gee after his outrage and loss of control over a magazine He would NEVER be welcome in my house again.

Friends you can pick family you can disown.

wizard of oz
December 23, 2006, 09:49 PM
family disagreements and arguments are kind of traditional at christmas dinner - at least they are here (must be too hot). It's just a matter of putting up for a few hours...

Mot45acp
December 23, 2006, 10:17 PM
Apologize for bad humor

Stevie-Ray
December 23, 2006, 10:26 PM
You got all the right responses in the first 3 posts.


And then there was Travis Lee!:D

It pains me to agree with him, but that's just about me!

gunsmith
December 23, 2006, 10:27 PM
I always believed in RKBA but never owned or ccw'd till late in life.
Most of my non innernet friends are liberals (& I've lost a few of them due to my hobby) I'll get asked a question like why I voted for GW and answer with the awb issue....& then get told all I think about are guns and there are other issues...they know how I feel and ask anyway.:banghead:

jad0110
December 23, 2006, 10:39 PM
Its a shame but we all run into these types. If we hide or change we give the impression that we have something to either be ashamed of, or to hide. After putting up with this kind of treatment myself for years, I now just say to h**l with em, I've got rights too.

In revision of my earlier post, I say not only leave the gun magazines you have out, I'd throw some more around and leave your PC on this thread for all to see! :D

I hope my brother does not react negatively when we open Christmas presents, I'm expecting a Marlin 22 magnum rifle and I bought my dad a magazine for his P-11 9mm. That'll put it in his face, but oh well, I'm not about the "politically correct presents". I say "rock on with Christmas guns".

Expect he WILL react negatively. Then you won't be thrown for a loop when he does.

When you have a chance, read this article. Quite informative:

http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel120501.shtml

He started tearing into me about how guns kill and that by owning guns, I was just a "ticking time-bomb".

This may be an example of what psychiatrists call Projection. It is where an individual "projects" their own thoughts, deep or not, onto others around them. Kind of creepy in your brother's case, when you think about it: Maybe he would be the ticking time bomb.

This article is even better than the first:

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/ccw/rage.htm

I hope everyone prints these and/or have them bookmarked. If everyone here reached out to an anti and at least attempted to have a serious, polite discussion on the topic, may be some good can come of it.

The last site is VERY long, but very informative about the internal thought processes of the anti. It also discusses what sound to be pretty effective approaches to communicating with an anti.

MikeG
December 23, 2006, 11:07 PM
Redneck, Gezzer has a good point. Your brother has a hissy fit over a magazine and he calls you a 'ticking time bomb'?

RioShooter
December 24, 2006, 11:26 AM
My sister is basically a far-left liberal. However, she is also non-confrontational. I'm the opposite, and love a good argument. So it's up to me to avoid politics and guns at family get togethers. I try my best, but it's soooooooooooooo hard to do.

Zundfolge
December 24, 2006, 11:35 AM
I'm with Werewolf on this (but I'm kind of an ahole :evil: )

I've been picking on my brother since he was able to walk and if he took such an obviously stupid position (ie the anti gun position) AND was volatile about it I would push those buttons every freakin' time I got the chance and playing it off all passive aggressive like; "Brother, I don't understand why you're so upset that you have to disrupt a family get together like this ... and you think I'M the unstable one because I own guns? I guess its a good thing you don't since you can't control yourself!" ... but like I said I'm kind of an ahole :evil:



Ok, so I'm being a little glib, but I get sick of people like your brother that think because they are passionate about their beliefs it gives them the right to be rude. And we must acknowledge that it is HE that is behaving in a completely socially unacceptable manner. You're not going to "convert" him, so if he's going to be a dick you should put him back in his place ... or make him so uncomfortable that he doesn't come over.

Baba Louie
December 24, 2006, 12:02 PM
My older sister is much the same and since my father passed away we have had words at Mom's dinner table more than once.

She's so... emotional... on the subject.

In her case it boils down to her FEARS.

An hoplophobe.

Who works for the .gov and KNOWS that only the gov't should own and use firearms.

A man my age (3 years younger than her) who had a good sized collection and who lived two houses behind hers was killed during a home invasion about five years ago; his collection being the reason and object of the home invasion. So perhaps she has valid reasons.

Out of deference to my mother, I refuse to talk about it (sorta) when I visit. Big sister does not stay at my house when she visits, preferring to rent a hotel room. Fine by moi. But, when she does visit, I refuse to "clean up" my act.

Just as I refuse to depend on .gov for protection.

The Deer Hunter
December 24, 2006, 12:10 PM
Give your brother a gun.

veloce851
December 24, 2006, 01:11 PM
and if he took such an obviously stupid position

Let the record stand that I have never and will never take such a position. :)

DogBonz
December 24, 2006, 01:27 PM
oops, I thought that this was a "what caliber thread":D

Wedge
December 24, 2006, 02:06 PM
I hold my tongue and my wife keeps me well medicated (Scotch and no I don't carry while drinking) when at family functions with her family. At least my wife is neutral to pro (every new gun I buy is a new piece of jewelry or shoes - that's the deal) and her sister is neutral to pro (I think she might actually want a gun for personal protection).

Her parents are antis. When I first got my first handgun I brought it over with the intention of going to the range at some point (basically between a wedding and reception, never had time to go) When I mentioned I had bought a handgun (and was about to show them...) they went ballistic. I left it in my bag and just didn't say anything about it. My wife later told me i shoudln't have said anything. I thought they would have liked it because it was a Ruger Blackhawk and who doesn't love a cowboy gun?

I think they have changed a little though because she bought me an Alessi Leather holster for my Glock for Christmas :-)

Now I wouldn't take anything from my family in my own house. Then again I am known to be opinionated so it would just be expected that even MORE gun mags would be out on the table when everyone came over.

theleveloftime
December 24, 2006, 03:52 PM
My older sister basically kicked me out of her socialist household 12 years ago when she discovered I was heeled (legally). I obliged by never going back.
One more reason not to have visit people with whom you have zero in common.

Walkalong
December 24, 2006, 04:31 PM
Feel your pain. There is no talking to these kind of people. They think they are smarter than we are. I have one in the family. Well more than one. :barf:

SoCalShooter
December 24, 2006, 04:34 PM
Honestly at this point I have not met a single one in my family. Everyone was in the military, has or does still hunt and still owns guns, perhaps there is some hippie somewhere but I dont know'em.

busy_squirrel
December 24, 2006, 05:13 PM
Don't cover your bench or remove decorations. You aren't changing who you are, you're just not flaunting it.

Hide the magazines. That's doing your part to avoid the confrontation. Other family members will understand that. Your brothers family will look like the jerks if they start something when everyone else knows you tried to accomodate them by putting magazines away.

If the subject comes up, tell them you don't want that discussion at this time because you already know you disagree and this is supposed to be a merry time. Any further breaches of the topic and they will be asked to leave. Stay calm but firm, it's your house. Usually I try to have similar conversations in front of neutral 3rd parties incase the opposing party starts provoking something, then everyone will understand that you're not the mean guy kicking them out, they were warned.

Unfortunately this isn't the time to win an argument, even if you can. This is PR time and as the host, it's your job to at least try to make folks comfortable.

Don't change who you are, just don't flaunt it. When I go to my Anti-mothers house, I keep my coat on to hide my shoulder holster. Every knows there's a gun underthere, but noone complains. It's my respect to her to cover it up, but it's still me to carry. Everyone recognizes that I'm trying to be civil and they respond appropriately.

marzen
December 24, 2006, 05:46 PM
I used to be a die hard anti-gun person. I used to thought I was liberal in social and political view well all that changed when I saw gross misrepresentation of truths by both political parties and mainstream media propraganda.

TV creates more problems for people than guns. Hence I do not have a cable at home anymore. It is mindless. Internet is all I need to read independand news.

-Andrew

Bruce H
December 24, 2006, 06:49 PM
Wait till you have to tell relatives to quit admiring ones 1911 and pass the potatos.:D

Ohio Rifleman
December 24, 2006, 07:04 PM
Wait till you have to tell relatives to quit admiring ones 1911 and pass the potatos

If only. I wish I HAD a 1911 to be admired. :( Really, in my family, the topic of guns hasn't really come up, so I don't know where they stand. However, my extended family is kinda rural, so I assume they're generally pro-gun, but you never know.

theleveloftime
December 24, 2006, 10:39 PM
The wife now wants me to go have Christmas dinner with her sister and family! This is an epidemic! These two have never forgiven me for busting their balloon years ago when we had dinner. You see they are upper crust yuppies that live in a large city in condo land. They wanted to know how much it would cost to hire armed guards for the condon building they lived in. I told them there wasn't enough money in the world to pay people to go toe to toe over the junk in your house if you are not willing to do it yourself. Thats probably not right because I know guys who would do it for free if they got to go toe to toe with bad guys but......... well it was an insight into how they think. They would not soil a paw with a filthy firearm but have no problems hiring out and having the help take care of these things. Like cleaning the toilet, washing the car etc. I guess they just don't see it as really concerning them so why would the little people have to?
Anyway it was another one of those moments when I knew I just wasn't on the same planet as they were.

mike101
December 24, 2006, 10:57 PM
It sounds like they are victims of the "Rosie Syndrome". It's wrong to have a gun, but it's OK to hire someone to carry one for you.

You might want to point out the inequity in their thinking. :D

Mr.Robo
December 24, 2006, 11:11 PM
Strap on a hog leg,and tell them like it or leave it!!!!

FireArmFan
December 25, 2006, 02:55 AM
Well Christmas Eve is over and I know we still got Christmas Day ahead of us but i'm kind of curious how it all went? Did he say anything? Was it ever brought up? What did you end up doing with the magazines and such?

Nil
December 25, 2006, 09:37 PM
I think all of you people's family problems have less to do with your relatives' liberal tendencies than with them being *******s. It seems like people these days have forgotten how to have a rational discourse that doesn't get bogged down into emotional sentiments. My political views differ from much of my family yet it never turns into yelling matches because frankly, we all like and respect each other.

theleveloftime
December 25, 2006, 10:48 PM
I stayed home and peace and good wiil prevailed (right here)!

Redneck with a 40
December 25, 2006, 11:21 PM
Christmas weekend actually turned out ok!:D We had a nice cordial family visit, did the gifts and all the hoopla, it stayed civilized.:D I was pretty gratified about this, I think we may have reached a truce between myself and my brother, I think he knows how adamant I am in my position, he know's I'm not going to waver from it. I have the facts on my side.:D Guns actually came up on a topic about crime being on the rise in Colorado Springs, he's a probation officer, so he deals with all sorts of cases from day to day. However, my brother did not make any negative comments regarding gun ownership and did not make it an issue, I was pleasantly surprised. No reaction when he saw my reloading bench either, I'll give him credit for that. All in all, the weekend went well and I am gratified about that.:D

Speer
December 25, 2006, 11:24 PM
Glad to hear it, brother.

SoCalShooter
December 25, 2006, 11:27 PM
WOOT thats great news redneck. Glad all ended well for you and hopefully he will continue to keep his mouth shut if he cannot have discourse rationally.

Nitrogen
December 26, 2006, 12:18 AM
I love my anti-gun family more than I love my guns. Therefore, when visiting them, or them visiting me, i'll let them live in the illusion that their son doesn't need guns.

In taking such a view, they are missing out on a big part of their son's life, as well as a big part of who he is, but that's their problem; not mine.

rangermonroe
December 26, 2006, 04:17 AM
My rangerbuddy, Doc, married a commie chick. She hated all things American, especially men and manly things. Damn, If I could figgure out what was the appeal of this woman.

FFW'D 15 years. Last week, I spoke with her. She was describing how she and their son play "hunting", and she helps stalk 'game' with the little guy. They use the closet for a 'blind'. :D

The commie in-laws bought Doc a pair of rattle-snake skin covered grips for his Kimber for Christmas.

All is not lost, time changes everyone.

30 cal slob
December 26, 2006, 07:11 AM
glad you had a peaceful xmas.

btw, i tolerate none of this nonsense from any of my siblings.

if they are over, and they have a beef with the way i am leading my life, they can STF up, or get the F out with a boot in the a$$. if they want to come back, they'll get a stern lecture from me about the pernicious pu$$ification of America.

they are entitled to their views, but i am entitled to them keeping their views to themselves (basic courtesy). especially under my roof.

Dale Carnegie Rule #1: "Don't Criticize, Condemn, or Complain..." ESPECIALLY if it is unsolicited.

bruss01
December 26, 2006, 11:20 AM
Relatives are welcome to visit in my home, as long as they respect common courtesy and the rules of the house. I've had those who could do neither and the welcome mat is no longer out for them. Problem solved.

A disagreement of opinion, if held in the context of civilized discussion, is fine. But there is a vast difference between that and an argument or an insult.

Parents especially can be a problem, if they don't realize when the torch has been passed and they are the "guest" and not an authority figure when visiting in their adult children's home. This has happened to me, and I won't be made a puppet in my own home - certain personages are no longer welcome here due to that fact.

Glad all worked out for you, Redneck w/40

Strings
December 26, 2006, 11:58 AM
The rule in my home is "Keep a civil tongue and tone. If you can't, shut up or leave". Haven't had to kick anyone out yet...

BobMcG
December 26, 2006, 12:06 PM
RWA 40,

It's great to hear all went went so well. :) Even nicer to hear that it happened without you having to "disguise" who you are for the day. ;)

Mr White
December 26, 2006, 12:33 PM
I love my anti-gun family more than I love my guns. Therefore, when visiting them, or them visiting me, i'll let them live in the illusion that their son doesn't need guns.

In taking such a view, they are missing out on a big part of their son's life, as well as a big part of who he is, but that's their problem; not mine.

You're gonna have to 'come out' to them sooner or later. You can't go on living your live with all your guns in the closet. :)

lance22
December 26, 2006, 12:42 PM
Sadly, we can't get along with everyone.

In my 20's and early 30's I did all I could to please everyone. Guess what? I found out that some people, the more you try to make them happy, the more they will pick. Sometimes being true to yourself in a quiet, unassuming way is the best route.

CountGlockula
December 26, 2006, 01:33 PM
Good one lance.

Yeah, I hate being "fake" to those around me. Now there are times to be yourself and be courteous. I learned a lot to be courteous....from my wife.

HiroProX
December 26, 2006, 01:46 PM
The rabidly anti-gun cannot imagine a mindset where a gun is not even considered as something to use in anger. Frequently this is because they know that they themselves would indeed use a gun in anger, so they naturally assume that no one else could possibly be more rational than they are.

So I'd turn the tables on him and ask him "Why should the responsible and rational suffer because of your insecurity and personal flaws?"

Smurfslayer
December 26, 2006, 04:00 PM
De-gun mag your home for the sake of familial harmony. Throw a sheet over your reloading equipment

I couldn't disagree more. While I don't advocate the "hogleg" approach from the PP :D You are who you are and guests aren't going to change that...

Here it is in a nutshell: Your house, your rules.

Sounds like your old man did a pretty good job on the 'raising kids' aspect of parenting, so the siblings probably do understand that as a guest, they have a responsibility to behave appropriately while they're guests in someone else's home. That includes not provoking a fight. You guys disagree on thie issue to the point of diametric opposition. That's probably not going to change, but as the host, you have a responsibility to maintain the peace and order in your house for your family first. If he is going to take that first shot by dropping some inane comment, do not allow it to stand unanswered, and get the absolute last word on the issue. If he persists, pull him aside and tell him in no uncertain terms he's unwelcome if he continues and he should rise above his petty problems for the sake of the Holiday spirit. You're the host, your spirit is already on display.

I know my parents taught me that nobody was going to stand up for me.

Glad Christmas visit went well, BTW...

Redneck with a 40
December 26, 2006, 09:16 PM
Hiprox, you hit the nail on the head! My brother has a very short fuse, a hot temper and he can get confrontational in a hurry, he will get in your face. Considering this aspect of his personality means that gun ownership for him is a BAD IDEA!! He has a hard time grasping the concept that everyone is not like him. I'm a very calm person, shy, quiet, very non-confrontational, rational, and I can control my temper. Therefore, owning and carrying a gun is not a big deal for me.

My brother projects his temper problem onto other people, he thinks we will all just engage in the "wild west shoot-outs".:barf: Nothing could be further from the truth!

Moondancer
December 26, 2006, 11:57 PM
"Your house, your rules." Good words to live by. My son married an anti. She freaked one day when I stopped by their house and had my Kimber on, although she left it up to my son to tell me. So... I lock the guns in the car when I'm there.
When they come to my place, I unload the all the guns located in various places around the house because of the grandkids (aged 2 months to not-quite-six years) and the fact that they've not had any firearms safety training. That's as far as I go. It's my house after all.
Their house, no guns. My house, guns all over. No problem either way.

Fortunately, the few socialistic relatives I have all understand the basic rule articulated by others and at the top of my reply and we all respect each others views. (Don't agree necessarily, just respect each others' right to have 'em.)

Slimjim
December 27, 2006, 12:03 AM
Heh, you and the father need to take the kid "Shopping" oh, those "Bags" your loading into the car, just some supplies. Take the kid out shooting. You can still influence him.

stevelyn
December 27, 2006, 02:09 AM
Friends you can pick, family you can disown.

There are a few people on my Unwelcome list that include family members.

guitartguy
December 27, 2006, 03:02 AM
For the most part my family is Pro Rights. On christmas day, however, my in-laws invited a friend and her daughter to stop by our house and visit. I'm a pretty easy going guy and generally get along with most people (to a point). In fact, this same mother and daughter came by to visit on Thanksgiving also (without conflict, as we did not discuss anything "controversial")

Anyways, when I woke up Christmas morning and was getting dressed, I almost put on my "All in Favor of Gun Control, raise Your Hands" T-shirt with Hitler, Stalin, Castro, and Clinton waiving. Instead I chose a shirt that was a little "nicer" ( I had no idea the conversation I'd find myself in later).
About a half hour into the visit with our guests, we were all sitting at the dining room table talking when the conversation somehow drifted to hunting. This led to the mother proudly proclaiming "I'm anti Hunting, Anti NRA, Anti Gun etc. etc. etc. :barf: I politely stopped her mid sentence (and before I said a word my wife and sister gasped because they new this woman had just stepped on a hornets nest)

I said "It sounds like your also Anti-Rights, how long have you been this way?" She started backpeddling in a major way, saying "I know the 2nd ammendment says blah blah blah..." I then asked why she had such an aversion to self defense? She tried to play the "police and military are the ones who should protect us" That one flew as high as a dead duck in a freefall.

I took a sip from my coffee and smiled ( I was eating her lunch and she knew it). I made sure to use only the terminology that pointed to the flaw in her utopian socialist ideals. This woman is a wonderful person who unfortunately is very misinformed. The interesting thing is that she is jewish woman from Germany.

This led me to point out Hitlers Gun Control Policy of 1938 and ask her how she thought that played out.

Although it's frustrating that so many people feel so strongly about things they havn't thought through :banghead: , I must say I found it rewarding to "own" the conversation while keeping my cool.

Medusa
December 27, 2006, 04:38 AM
Most of my wife's family is anti-gun. If they'd find out I'm in the business of shooting guns and have a couple of those "dreaded killers" in house they'd freak.

If the police is supposed to protect us and in case of attack the police isn't within 100 m then what? Police could arrive 1 minute too late, and somebody could be dead 'cause that somebody didn't like the idea of SD.

For those who say the police and military protects you, I ask what if you have to protect yourself from them? This picture is a bit rude and not very high-road, for that I apologize in advance, but get's the point across.

If to disregard the place, the propagandist nature and uniforms, the point stays the same - if those girls had couple of guns they wouldn't be in this position.

Mods, before you start on me, again, due the cruesome nature of it, remember that you can't expect the criminals to be humane, civil and forgiving in nature, they're willing to kill you for those 10 bucks in your wallet.

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