CZ52 Will this Caliber become Obsolete/Un-obtainable?


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Old Geezer
December 23, 2006, 02:28 PM
I am considering buying a CZ 52 - Primarily I like it because the price is right, and it seems like there are supplies available for repair/parts replacement if&when it becomes necessary. My question or concern is that eventually I suspect the supply of ammo from off-shore will run out, and interest in the round will not support commercial manufacture...what do you think?

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lonewolfalpha
December 23, 2006, 02:31 PM
Man, people have to stop worrying about the future, if you're talking about the 7.62x25mm then just buy a whole crate of cheap surplus ammo and you're kids will still be shooting that gun when they're discussing the next ray gun.
Seriously though, buy the gun and have fun.

billybob
December 23, 2006, 02:34 PM
As time goes on, I become more convinced that I would stay away from ANY non-standard caliber.
That includes all the short magnums.
Even the STANDARD ones are phased out as sales decrease. Like .264 mag and .284 Win, etc etc etc.
Gun legislation and the decline of the US economy will stress most "workin stiff" families in years to come.
We are already in a recession even though the government will not state that fact.
:)

lonewolfalpha
December 23, 2006, 02:41 PM
Maybe the main reason that calibers die off is because people wait to see if it becomes popular? I say if you like it, buy it and stock up on ammo. My Mossin's in 7.62x54R will always have food at this point.

MatthewVanitas
December 23, 2006, 02:42 PM
Given the substantial number of Tokarev and CZ52 pistols out on the U.S market, and--

Given that large numbers of "obsolete" cartridges have been resurrected for the commercial market in the last decade or so--

Given that Wolf and other ammo manufacturers continue to be strongly interested in the U.S. milsurp community--


I'd have no immediate worries about purchasing a CZ52 and enjoying it for many years to come.

-MV

BobMcG
December 23, 2006, 02:50 PM
Buffalo Arms currently sells the dies and brass to reload this round...

AND: If you don't handload maybe it's time to seriously consider it. This way it's hard for a cartridge to be worthless or unusable even when it's otherwise "obsolete".;)

DMK
December 23, 2006, 03:40 PM
just buy a whole crate of cheap surplus ammo and you're kids will still be shooting that gun when they're discussing the next ray gun. Bingo. Surplus ammo is cheap and lasts a lifetime if stored properly. Just make sure you know how to clean up after shooting corrosive ammo and you'll be fine.

Hmmm, then again... Do you think they'll ever stop making Windex?

;)

mp510
December 23, 2006, 03:43 PM
There is 9x19mm CZ-52 conversion barrels floating around as well. I believe FAC sold them before they went under. Also, Norinco made a weapon similar to the CZ-52 that came with both a 7.62x25mm and 9x19mm barrel. I recall seeing conversion barrels advertised for the Tokarev as well. As it is I believe Fiocchi (sp?) makes expensive 7.62x25mm and Sellior and Bellot also makes commercial a loading as well.

otomik
December 23, 2006, 03:56 PM
Given that Wolf and other ammo manufacturers continue to be strongly interested in the U.S. milsurp community--you can't buy Wolf 7.62x25mm in the US because Russian 7.62mmTok is banned from importation by executive order. I say keep buying up a bunch of Sellier and Belloit and save the brass, anything "foreign" is easier to demonize and can suffer a quick ban by executive order.

R.W.Dale
December 23, 2006, 04:09 PM
you can't buy Wolf 7.62x25mm in the US because Russian 7.62mmTok is banned from importation by executive order. I say keep buying up a bunch of Sellier and Belloit and save the brass, anything "foreign" is easier to demonize and can suffer a quick ban by executive order.

OH BUT YOU CAN....Sorta..... You can most certianlly can buy Wolf 7.62x25 BUT it's just repackaged Privi Partisan ammo from Serbia.

http://www.jgsales.com/images/762x25WolfGold.jpg

Nicky Santoro
December 23, 2006, 04:13 PM
CZ52 Will this Caliber become Obsolete/Un-obtainable?

I think it's going the other way. For a long time only some pretty old milsurp was available. Now I'm seeing S&B, Winchester, Wolf, FNM, and a couple of others I can't recall are in that market. Rest easy and buy that CZ-52. It's a hoot to shoot.

rudolf
December 23, 2006, 04:47 PM
Sorry, but you're too late. The 7.62x25 became obsolete in 1908 when the 9mm Luger was intoduced. So it's been obsolete for 98 years now :)

Shaughn Leayme
December 23, 2006, 04:47 PM
As long as there is .223 brass and 32 caliber pistol bullets around, I will never worry about feeding a CZ52, that said, the numbers of pistols and submachine guns roaming the world will assure a supply of ammunition from somewhere, even if the domestic suppliers were to drop it.

The non military issued calibers will be the ones, you should be worried about, since they are striving for a limited market niche.

Gewehr98
December 23, 2006, 06:19 PM
Starline sells the brass, the bullets are available, and my Dillon 550 gives me oodles of nice ammo for my CZ-52. ;)

rangerruck
December 23, 2006, 07:08 PM
ammo is made by S&B, it ain't goin anywhere anytime soon.

wally
December 23, 2006, 08:34 PM
Seeing how you can still get ammo for 7.62 Nagant revolvers, assuming your are willing to pay the price, (~$30/50) I'd not worry about 7.62 Tokarev ammo any time soon.

--wally.

GRIZ22
December 24, 2006, 12:23 PM
As long as there is sufficient demand someone will make ammo.

Cthulhu
December 25, 2006, 01:38 AM
Shaughn is dead on. .223 brass is a few steps away from workable 7.62x25 cases.

Michael Zeleny
December 25, 2006, 03:56 AM
Sorry, but you're too late. The 7.62x25 became obsolete in 1908 when the 9mm Luger was intoduced. So it's been obsolete for 98 years now :) This is partially true of 7.65x21.5mm Parabellum (http://www.municion.org/765x19/765x19.htm), the bottlenecked round originally inherited from the Borchardt pistol (http://www.lugerforum.com/borchardt.html) by Georg Luger (http://www.lugerforum.com/luger.html). This cartridge was rendered obsolete in military service by its straight-walled counterpart, the 9x19mm Parabellum (http://www.lugerforum.com/history.html). However, it retains its utility in target shooting and small game hunting, being much more accurate than its descendant.

Prince Yamato
December 25, 2006, 11:34 AM
There's really two kinds of "obscure" calibers. There's "Popular obscure", such as 7.62x25 and 8x56 mauser, which isn't so much obscure as odd, and by odd, I mean that you won't find it at Walmart, but it will always be available. Then there's "completely obscure", like 11mm Mauser- something that hasn't been shot in over a hundred years and whose available firearms are currently floating around only in Kandahar gunshops. In short, get the 7.62x25, you'll always find ammo for it, it may not always be super cheap to shoot, but it'll always be available.

Shaughn Leayme
December 25, 2006, 11:45 AM
Brass is made for the 11mm and there is a few small custom ammo makers who produce it and there are quite a few M71 and 71/84 kicking around at some of the BP competitions and occasionally in the hunting fields, they aren't as rare as you might suspect.

Manedwolf
December 26, 2006, 09:53 AM
S&B makes and sells the caliber in vast quantities. I wouldn't worry too much. Remember, the TT-33 is still in service in various places around the world, Norinco still makes new models of its clone of the TT, and that eats that, too. Even WWB is available, look for their "metric calibers".

As for surplus, I wouldn't use it, myself. It's corrosive, and will destroy your barrel unless you clean it thoroughly after EVERY use.

tinygnat219
December 26, 2006, 10:06 AM
As for surplus, I wouldn't use it, myself. It's corrosive, and will destroy your barrel unless you clean it thoroughly after EVERY use.

Manedwolf,

I have to disagree with you here. Surplus ammo won't destroy your barrel :rolleyes: remember these old milsurps were designed with that ammo in mind.
I do agree that negligence in cleaning after shooting corrosive ammo will hurt the firearm, but it will take a long time to really do that.

El Tejon
December 26, 2006, 10:09 AM
Old, at the prices these weapons are going for, I am not going to worry about it.

The market (think about how plentiful and cheap these weapons are) will ensure that domestic manufacturers will step up if overseas supplies dry up.:)

If you are worried, calm your fears by buying a few cases of surplus and sticking them in the basement for your ready reserve of ammo.:D

Shaughn Leayme
December 26, 2006, 10:14 AM
If you hunt with Black powder guns and actually use BP, then you should have no problem with corrosive ammunition, Hot soapy water will clear the fouling and corrosive salts out of the barrel (scrub with a good brush) then clean and oil as normal, meaning as you would if using regular Non corrosive ammunition.

Then for a day or two afterwards, inspect to make sure that you cleaned properly, until you have it down pat.

I shoot a lot of corrosive ammunition and have never had a problem with it, it just takes a little more work to clean up after shooting it.

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