[cslinger]

So there I am browsing the C&R listing and what do my eyes see listed.......

Bren Ten pistol, all models and variants manufactured by Dornaus and Dixon Enterprises, Inc. prior to 1986.

***!!!! So let me get this straight. The government is perfectly fine with me getting a MODERN semi-automatic, magazine fed, 10mm pistol but I can't get a fargen GlockSIGHKRuger.

My God it just stupifies me sometimes. I swear the C&R should simply be a collectors license period. End of story.

Anyway I figured this would interest some of you.

Chris

[Blueduck]

My God it just stupifies me sometimes. I swear the C&R should simply be a collectors license period. End of story.

Just because a gun was only made 17 years ago does not mean it's not a "collectible". Anyone who can buy a pistol can get a CR, it's only $30 and not much hassel (I've got one myself).

I'm confused as to why it bothers you so much that the Bren was added :confused:

[Tamara]

I think it bothers him that it's so friggin' illogical.

The C&R license should let you collect anything, from Broomhandles to Bren Tens to one of every model Glock makes, if that's what rings your chimes.

[WonderNine]

what she said ^^^^^^^^

[Lofland]

Considering the Bren Ten's reputation for reliability, maybe "non-firing replica" would be the proper category...

[Handy]

3.) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.


Right from the horse. I would say the Bren is well covered. The Glock, not so much.

[Drakejake]

C&R--mainly pistols and long guns made over 50 years ago, plus some models from the last fifty years, often commemoratives or special issues.

Drakejake

[cratz2]

I think the Bren is much more in line with the spirit of the C&R license than a Glock or a SIG. Most folks that buy one will be doing so to increase a collection or to get a piece of history etc... Most folks (or at least a lot of folks) that are buying a Glock, are doing so to have a defensive arm.

[cslinger]

What Tamara said.

[BruceM]

With a total production number of 1,388 in all variations (and some say substantially fewer), I would say the Bren Ten qualifies as a collectible curio regardless of time frame surrounding it's manufacture.

Bruce

[Tamara]

Right from the horse. I would say the Bren is well covered. The Glock, not so much.

There's that whole wide gap between "should" and "is".

Seems to me that the idea behind special "gun collector" licenses is to facilitate the collecting of guns. There are some (normally more restrictive) European countries that issue collector's licences to help you with your collections of "Modern Service Pistols" or "WWII Machine Pistols" or "WWI Tripod-mounted Belt-fed Water-cooled Machine Guns". Why should we be more restrictive than they?

[Kharn]

Tamara:
Do any of those countries issue licenses for collections of 'Any and Everything That Goes Bang and Looks Cool'?

Kharn

[Tamara]

Well, that'd be what I'd try for... ;)

[cslinger]

Basically that is what I was saying. I understand the reason for it, I just find it difficult to swallow that we should not be able to collect any darn thing we please as a collection is a very private choice.

I was just ranting out loud as I think if one is willing to follow the same or similar procedures to the C&R one should be able to get whatever they would like.

[Handy]

Tamara,

You're basically denouncing the GCA. That's cool, none of us like it. But within the framework of the GCA, the C&R license is a nice benny for those who use it.

So don't complain about the loophole not being big enough. Complain about having laws to have loopholes in.

[Tamara]

Well, yeah, that's basically what I'm doing.

(It's just that now and again one gets struck by such a shining example of bureaucratic idiocy that one feels compelled to say something. F'rinstance, why is a Marbles Game-Getter still an NFA weapon? I wonder how many of our grandparents have one of these obviously felonious tools quietly rusting away in the attic... )

[cslinger]

What is a marbles game getter?

[QuickDraw]

Tamara,
I have to know also!

QuickDraw

[SDC]

A neat little Over/Under combination gun with a folding detachable shoulder-stock; they were made in a number of calibres and combinations, but the NFA put them into the same class as the AutoBurglar and other "shotgun pistols". See
http://www.4-10.freeuk.com/nostalgia26.html

[firestar]

I know what you mean, I can buy a new unissued Yugo SKS that was made in the 1980s but not a bolt action .22lr that was made 49 years ago!:banghead:

You would think that if they trust you with military guns, they could trust you with civilian guns as well. I am not really complaining because I am just happy for what I got. It is nice to be able to get on the phone, give the credit card info and have a gun at your door in a few days.

[P226]

It's been awhile since i looked at the list but i think all
Colt National Match .45's are c &r regardless of when made also.

[Blueduck]

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[Jim K]

The "C&R" license IS A COLLECTORS LICENSE. That is its official name and it is one category of Federal Firearms License.

The so-called "C&R FFL" enables holders to receive C&R firearms in interstate commerce, WHERE THAT IS LEGAL UNDER STATE/LOCAL LAW.

But NO FEDERAL LICENSE IS NEEDED to collect guns of any kind. You can have a collection of thousands of guns, including NFA firearms, with NO license. And you can buy and sell all except NFA weapons with no FEDERAL restrictions or controls if you buy and sell within your state.

Aside from broad categories like the "50-year rule", items are added to the C&R list by application from people who want them on there. Someone applies to have X brand gun, Model Y put on the list because he feels it is a collectible and not likely to be used as a weapon. If BATF agrees, it becomes a "curio or relic" and can be traded across state lines among collectors (provided, again, that it is legal under state and local law at the recipient's location). Age is only one criterion considered by BATF.

Jim