[tango3065]

I will be changing the trigger spring in my new G19 to a ny1 or ny2 as soon as I get them in the mail and have a question?

Since the NY1 spring is only 3LB's heavier than the stock coil will I be able to tell much difference between the stock coil and the NY1 or will I have to go with the NY2 before I can tell a difference?





BTW I like a heavy pull since I am used to a DOA.

[GRIZ22]

I am not a Glock expert but I can tell you ny experience.

The agency I worked for required the 8 lb trigger (NY1). I have used it for so long I've been retired for 18 months and have left it in my G26. My other Glocks have the standard 5 lb trigger. I really can't tell the difference unless I have a 5 and an 8 in my hands comparing them. I don't shoot any better with the 5 or any worse with the 8.

The 12 lb trigger (NY2) is good to give someone you don't like. It just feels horrible. Not like a DAO.

Your move is in the right direction. It scares me when I reda of people putting a 3 1/2 lb in a carry gun.

[GRIZ22]

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[tango3065]

Thanks, I will try the 8lb spring first but I have my doubts that I will even be able to tell any difference 3Lbs like you said and I would like it to be heavier than it is. Yes you are right about the 3.5 lb trigger in a carry gun I would even want that light in a range only gun.

[kenpocop]

ON of the interesting combinations that was "top secret" for a while, but is now out in the open was the NY1 combined with the 3.5 connector. This is the set up that I use in my duty guns. It is a smoother trigger pull than the stock trigger. I think it feels similar to a revolver trigger. Just my 2 cents...

Merry Christmas!

[teombe]

Your move is in the right direction. It scares me when I reda of people putting a 3 1/2 lb in a carry gun.

Actual pull weight is 4.5lbs vs 5.5lbs for stock. Is there really anything scary about that?

[JohnKSa]

Another thing to consider. The NY trigger springs are reputed to be more durable than the standard coil springs.

This is one reason that it's not uncommon for folks to go the the "-" connector and a NY1 spring. You get about the same pull weight as the standard connector and the standard coil spring but you get away from the coil spring.

Also, the combination of the "-" connector and NY1 spring results in a slightly increased pull weight during the take-up phase of the trigger pull and about the same pull weight during the "break" phase of the trigger. In other words, it makes the pull more uniform over its entire travel. Some folks like that effect.

[GRIZ22]

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Actual pull weight is 4.5lbs vs 5.5lbs for stock. Is there really anything scary about that?

5 pounds is my lower limit. That's even okay on a 1911 for personal defense as far as I'm concerned. If you want to have yours lower that's your option. There might br something I do you find scary.

mastinson, I have heard about swapping around springs and connector as kenpocop and johnk mentioned but don't feel qualified to comment as I've never tried it. If it does what they say then that may be the answer to duplicating a DAO.

When I first fired a Glock in the late 1980s I didn't like it. I was trying to shoot it like a DA only. I found, for me anyway, I needed to treat a Glock like a heavy single action. I've learned to shoot them well this way. Just my opinion.

[tango3065]

Don't really care if it has the revolver feel, and I also don't want to change connectors. I do want a heavier trigger pull though and can't decide if the NY1 will make enough diffence in pull weight since it is only 3LBS heavier.

BTW I should get the springs in the morning and I will be tearing into my first but not last Glock :) .

[Chris Rhines]

Since the NY1 spring is only 3LB's heavier than the stock coil will I be able to tell much difference between the stock coil and the NY1 or will I have to go with the NY2 before I can tell a difference? First of all, there's a lot of misinformation going around about the trigger weight of a factory Glock pistol. I test every Glock that comes through the shop with an electronic scale, and the average weight runs around 7.5 pounds. The NY1 spring ups it to around 10 pounds, while the 3.5# connector drops it to around 5.5.

You'll be able to easily discern the difference between a stock and NY1 trigger spring. 2.5-3 pounds is a tremendous difference when you're trying to press it with one forefinger.

It's not personally a modification that I would do. The Glock trigger is plenty heavy as is.

My own carry Glock 19 has a 5# connector, factory striker spring, and an extra-power trigger spring, sort of the opposite of the NY1. I also re-bend the trigger tab to remove most of the pretravel, install an overtravel stop in the trigger housing, and extensively reshape and polish the firing pin safety. I end up with a trigger that breaks consistently right at 4 pounds, is smooth as greased lightning and totally reliable.

YMMV, IANR, don't modify the trigger unless you completely understand what you're doing, or you could DIE!, etc., etc...

- Chris

[Joe D]

I can't imagine why anyone would want a heavy trigger for a carry gun. I guess it is safer - safer for the bad guy that is.
The gun does not go bang until you put your finger on the trigger.
My carry Glock has a nice smooth 3 lb pull.

[nipprdog]

First of all, there's a lot of misinformation going around about the trigger weight of a factory Glock pistol. I test every Glock that comes through the shop with an electronic scale, and the average weight runs around 7.5 pounds. The NY1 spring ups it to around 10 pounds, while the 3.5# connector drops it to around 5.5.


sounds like your scale is about 2 pounds off. ;)

[tango3065]

I can't imagine why anyone would want a heavy trigger for a carry gun. I guess it is safer - safer for the bad guy that is.


:rolleyes:
Some people just like heavy triggers compared to light triggers, everyone has their opinions and in my opinion a 3LB trigger and no external safety is not the best of ideas for a carry gun, I carry a S&W 642 which has a 10-12 lb long trigger and I could not think of carrying it with a 3lb trigger.

But then again everyone has their opinions which they are entitled to.

[JohnKSa]

sounds like your scale is about 2 pounds off.Probably not. Glock has always acknowledged that the poundage designators are not exact. The most recent Glock printed information seems to be leaning away from using the poundage designators.

[tango3065]

I installed the NY1 spring today (olive) and I am quite pleased with and I don’t think I will even try the NY2 spring. I shot it today and accuracy is outstanding, the NY1 spring didn’t hurt a thing. BTW this is the first Glock I have taken apart and must say I now know why everyone says Glocks are so simple and well engineered.

[tomkatz]

I've tried all the combinations and personally, except on a competition gun, I just use the stock weight setup and polish everything to smooth it up.
The NY1 with 3.5 lb. connector equals just about stock pull weight with a little crisper reset, not a bad option at all IMO. YMMV of course.
....tom

[GRIZ22]

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I can't imagine why anyone would want a heavy trigger for a carry gun. I guess it is safer - safer for the bad guy that is.

I don't see any difference in combat accuracy between a 3.5, 5, or 8 lb trigger. If you find there is you are under the illusion of making up for lack of training with a light trigger. If you got the 3.5lb from Glock you had to sign a liability waiver. If you got it a Joe and Charlie's Glock Accessories you have just made a non-factory mod to make a lighter trigger pull. You'll have to defend that if you have an AD, UD, or whatever you want to call it. The gun only goes boom when you pull the trigger and you made it go off easier.



Would you carry and cocked and unlocked 1911 with a 3 lb trigger. I don't think so and the 1911 is actually safer if you didn't deactivate the grip safety.

[tango3065]

I just installed a NY1 trigger spring in my new G19 and I notice now the when shaking the gun the firing pin does not rattle unless the trigger is held back. Before with the stock it would rattle without holding the trigger back. I did the firing pin safety check and when it is pushed in with the slide off it rattles freely.

Is this normal with the NY trigger spring or is something wrong?

[GRIZ22]

My G26 only rattles when the trigger is held back (never noticed that). The firing pin safety is connected to the trigger on most guns and a Glock is no different. The rattle would make sense with the trigger back. It might rattle a bit without pulling the trigger.

I always like to test fire after doing most things on a gun. Try the Bic pen or regular wood pencil test.

1. Ensure you pistol is unloaded.
2. Rack the slide so it's ready to fire.
3. take a wood pencil or Bic pen (no cap) and drop it down the bore with the pistol pointed sraight up.
4. with the pisitol in a safe straight up direction pull the trigger, the pencil or pen will easily clear the barrel (hits the ceiling with some guns).

The firing pin is hitting the pencil and I'm sure there's a physicist out there who can calculate the force the firing pin is hitting with. I've used this method to check guns I couldn't test fire and it has not failed me for checking firing pin function.

[conan]

I have tried the NY #1 and a 3.5 connector and I did not like it at all. I prefer a 3.5 connector in all my Glocks whether carry, practice. It does not make it a "hair" trigger @ all, just a little better trigger than the stock 5 pounder. If you don't want to fire, then don't put your finger on the trigger.

[tango3065]

If you don't want to fire, then don't put your finger on the trigger.

:rolleyes: Thanks for great insight there conan.


Grizz yes I have done the pencil test and even fired it , also here is the reason it does it, I got this form the folks at glock talk---


""What happens is the trigger bar is moving forward slightly, allowing the firing pin safety to move down. The firing pin safety 'pinches' the firing pin.

The trigger bar moves forward more readily with the NY spring because there is no longer a coil spring pulling it (trigger bar) to the rear.

The firing pin will not rattle in some guns unless the trigger is (manually) held to the rear (very slight pressure on the trigger) even with the standard spring setup.""

[RyanM]

One thing you may want to try is taking the little coil spring out of the plastic NY-1 housing (the plastic alone will hold up just fine), and installing an increased power striker spring. That evens out the takeup and break even more, to something like a 4-5 pound takeup, 5-6 pound break. Basically feels like a light revolver trigger pull with stacking.

[tango3065]

No thanks I really like the current configuration.

[GRIZ22]

mastinson, thanx for your reserach. Unlike some I feel I can learn something new everyday. Good luck with your Glock!

[JohnKSa]

...installing an increased power striker spring.Gotta be a little careful with that. If you go higher on the striker spring weight, you need to be extra careful to make sure your recoil spring is in good condition. And you should never use an extra power striker spring with a lighter than normal recoil spring.

[Black Snowman]

I haven't put it on a trigger scale, but I know the stock Glock trigger feels much smoother and a bit lighter if you debur the contact surfaces. I did this with my Glock 24 competition gun with it's 3.5 lbs connector and noticed a big differance. When I got my G20 recently the trigger seemed very heavy by comparison. Once I did the same deburring to the G20 they now only feel the 2 lbs apart they're supposed to be.

For those worried about a heavier trigger slowing you down, keep in mind that a stronger return spring will let the trigger reset faster, something more imporant on guns with a longer reset, and there's going to be very little differance in time to pull. It's all going to net you around 0.25 sec per shot.

[JohnKSa]

...a stronger return spring will let the trigger reset faster...The Glock trigger spring isn't really a trigger return spring. It only moves the trigger bar upward so that the firing pin projection will catch it as the slide moves back forward. A stronger trigger spring will not speed up the Glock reset.

The actual reset (pushing the trigger back forward) is done by the striker spring.

[Joe D]

Griz22, what have you been smoking. Watch out for that hemp! There is no "liability waiver" from Glock. Good grief! Where do you guys come up with this nonsense? Don't recall having to sign one for any of my G34s and G35s either. Yep, I do carry one of my G35s on occasion.
There is a major difference between a 3 lb Glock trigger and a 3 lb 1911 trigger. The Glock trigger has to move a much greater distance before it releases the striker. Last time I checked none of my guns will fire unless I pull the trigger. Best safety is to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to pull it.

[GRIZ22]

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Griz22, what have you been smoking. Watch out for that hemp! There is no "liability waiver" from Glock. Good grief! Where do you guys come up with this nonsense?

They used to do that when they came out with the 3lb. If you feel safe with your 3 lb trigger go ahead. As for me that's fine on a comp gun but as I said I think its trying to compensate for inadequate training on a carry gun.

[Joe D]

Maybe you could direct me to some "proper training". I guess I am just too new to this shooting thing.

[GRIZ22]

This would go OT I'll send you a PM.