Can somebody recommend a good AR-15 to buy?


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Miamitiger
December 25, 2006, 12:57 PM
PLEASE give me an SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION

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GPWEAPON
December 25, 2006, 01:07 PM
what are you going to shoot/use it for?

GoRon
December 25, 2006, 01:10 PM
what are you going to shoot/use it for?
And what is your budget?

ScottsGT
December 25, 2006, 01:15 PM
Can't go wrong with either a Colt, Rock River Arms or a Bushmaster from my experience. Now go pick your flavor.....A2, M4, 20", 16" fixed stock, collapsable stock, iron sights, scope, red dot, floating hand guard, etc....There as many choices of AR's as there are Ford automobiles.

LkWinnipesaukee
December 25, 2006, 01:26 PM
Allt he major brands are very nice. My preference-- Bushmaster:D

Nitrogen
December 25, 2006, 01:32 PM
If you don't mind an A2 style upper (integrated carry handle) the bushmaster rules. I bought one.

I then learned that putting optics on an A2 is really frustrating, and I swapped the upper out.

Bushmaster, RRA, DPMS are the big three. Let us know exactly what you plan on doing (adding an aimpoint/scope/eotech for instance) and we can better give recommendations.

Personally, i'd recommend an RRA or DPMS flattop with removable carry handle to start with.

10-Ring
December 25, 2006, 01:40 PM
I have a RRA middy that has been a tack driver and I recently picked up a Stag lower & a CMMG 9mm upper that seems to be okay too.

Monkeybear
December 25, 2006, 01:43 PM
When you get right down to it, as long as your not buying used-already-broken, just about everything these days is good. I did a ton of research on ARs in these past few months when I built my AR and with the exception of a few small companys they are all gonna go bang every time. Here is a list of rifles that I would recommend off the top of my head, generally in order from worst to best. For the averge shooter they will all probably shoot just as good.

Del-Ton
http://www.del-ton.com/DPMS_16_Bull_Barrel_Rifle_p/rfl1002.htm

DPMS
http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/5.56x45mm/classic.aspx

Bushmaster(little overpriced, but if you look around you can find a good deal)
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bcwa3f16.asp

Stag
http://www.stagarms.com/rightrifles.htm

Armalite
http://www.armalite.com/sales/catalog/rifles/m15a4_nmr.htm

Sabre Defence
http://www.sabre-defence.com/Store/Detail.aspx?id=90&deptID=2

Bazooka Joe71
December 25, 2006, 01:46 PM
Its all fine and dandy asking this question, because if you are anything like me, then I like to hear it first hand from MY question I ask. But this question gets asked 3 times a week, the search function is your friend, you should definately use it to get extra information.

My vote would be for RRA, the price is right, no MIM parts, and a lifetime warranty. To me, you just can't beat that. It seems to me that the past few threads like this have been overwhelmed by RRA votes. I swear they have been getting more popular by the day. But, like said in the earlier post, you can't go wrong with Bushy, DPMS, Stag, or colt(very pricey though)

BUT, thats only the brand names, what do you want the weapon for? How much do you want to spend? Your thread was vague, and you could get better input with a more detailed thread.

Mr White
December 25, 2006, 01:47 PM
What do you intend to use it for?

M4geries (copies of the M4 carbine) seem to be popular these days for general plinking.

An A2 w/ a 20 inch barrel is also a good plinker and is a good place to start if you want to get into high power matches.

An A3 (flattop) with a scope mount is popular for varmit and target shooting.

There are a lot of AR variations, all geared for specific kinds of shooting. Tell us about yourself and what kind of shooting you like to do.

As far as makes, Colt is never a bad choice... if you have the $$$.
Rock River, Bushmaster and Stag are good makes to look at.

You can buy a lower (the bottom part of the gun with the stock and trigger) and then buy different uppers. The lower receiver is the only part that the BATFE is concerned about and the only part that must go through an FFL. You can have the uppers (the barrel, bolt, bolt carrier and handguards) shipped directly to you.

MatthewVanitas
December 25, 2006, 02:27 PM
The overall trend seems to be for something along these lines:

http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/06mida24.gif

16" barrel, collapsible stock, A4 (flattop) receiver to which you can add optics or iron sights. This style appears to be becoming the most popular single type for the all-purposes crowd.

Rock River Arms combines good rep and good price, and would cost something like this:


$450: RRA A4 flattop upper, 16" chrome-lined barrel, midlength gas system
$229: RRA complete lower w/ 6-position collapsible stock


That's $679, plus $20 or so for shipping, and a $25 (or so) fee to your local FFL dealer to receive the lower (which can't be mailed directly to you). Buying the two halves separately saves you about $100 of excise taxes, compared to buying a complete rifle.

Then to the above you'd need to add either an optic (scope, holosight, etc) or a set of iron sights.

-MV
-MV

Essex County
December 25, 2006, 02:30 PM
I thing Scotts GT pretty well summed it up.........Essex

Miamitiger
December 25, 2006, 02:47 PM
Thanks to everyone that answer. You help me a lot!!!
I will give more details. I want to put a scope.
I wiil use it to target shoot, plinking and hunting.
I believe that a 16" barrel is good enough for me.
I want to buy it in one piece.
Thanks again and I hope to hear from some more people or the same ones with more info.

ShackleMeNot
December 25, 2006, 02:52 PM
You don't really tell us what you want to do with the rifle but Rock River, Bushmaster or Cav Arms all make good guns. A 16" chrome lined barrel on a flattop upper with backup iron sights and an optic (Aimpoint or EoTech) is a great fighting rifle.

MatthewVanitas
December 25, 2006, 03:11 PM
Now we're getting somewhere. The more specific parameters you give, the easier it is for us to give advice. Tons of options out there.

Thanks to everyone that answer. You help me a lot!!!
I will give more details. I want to put a scope.


How powerful of a scope, or would a non-magnifying optic (like a red-dot or holosight) work for your purposes?

What's your optics budget?


I wiil use it to target shoot, plinking and hunting.
I believe that a 16" barrel is good enough for me.


16" is great for everybody except long-range varminters and HP-match shooters, etc.

Target shooting and plinking -- the AR is ideal in any form.

Hunting: how big a critter are you planning to hunt? In most American states, you can't use the .223 cartridge for deer, but it's good for coyotes and the like. You can, however, buy extra upper receivers for your AR in other cartridges (6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, .458 SOCOM) that are quite sufficient for all kinds of game.

Again, AR-15 uppers can swap in and out in a matter of seconds. Many folks have one lower receiver and multiple upper receivers.



I want to buy it in one piece.

Any reason? Again, you save a $Benjamin by buying in two halves. Assembling the two halves takes about three seconds, it's just two pushpins that are designed to come in and out every time you clean anyway.

It just saves you that $100 of silly excise tax, which gives you more money to buy a good optic.


Hope all this helps. -MV

RockyMtnTactical
December 25, 2006, 04:53 PM
Stag, Stag, Stag, and Stag...;)

Don't Tread On Me
December 25, 2006, 07:16 PM
In order of what I think is best:


1] Colt LE6920

2] Colt LE6520

3] Colt LE6721


After that, I'd take a look at a RRA, Stag, Lauer type lower with an LMT upper (Lewis and Machine Tool). Sabre defense might be another choice being that they are a mil contractor. Bravo makes a fine upper too. These are the milspec uppers. There are also a number of custom shops that make top-notch uppers, but they get pricy.


Then I'd look at Stag, RRA, S&W, Armalite, Bushmaster complete rifles. With Stag (same as S&W) and RRA as the better in the bunch, but Armalite has a great rifle and a great lineup that hardly gets attention on the web. Bushmaster is Bushmaster.


Finally, there are the DPMS, Olympic, and kit guns.

Monkeybear
December 25, 2006, 07:28 PM
[It just saves you that $100 of silly excise tax, which gives you more money to buy a good optic.



Dont forget that when you buy a complete firearm you are paying a little over $100 in excise tax. As long as you dont buy both halves in the same order from the same person the same day you dont have pay this. Good thing to keep in mind.

KC&97TA
December 25, 2006, 10:16 PM
I build a Rock River Arms Entry Tactcal, all RRA parts except the lower reciever is a CMMG, Great Rifle! Rock River Arms aren't cheap, but I've seen too many people have problems with DPMS, and lesser valued AR's

I get alot of compliments on my rifle, but I'm in Cali were they're few and far between. It's very accurate at 100 to 150 yards with just iron sights and a sand bag, I haven't yet pushed it past there yet, Best of all, I've never had a single problem, FTF, FTE, it eats all kinds of ammo.

A little spendy, but you get what you pay for.

flip180
December 25, 2006, 11:29 PM
www.title2.com is where you can can get a complete stag upper and lower for 710.00 delivered.

Flip

dm1333
December 26, 2006, 12:09 AM
Did you buy your AR while you were in California? I'm stationed here in CA and have been thinking of buying an upper before I transfer this spring. RRA is advertising a mid length upper for $480 plus another $45 to get a chrome lined barrel. I was wondering if you had any hassles having the upper delivered to a CA address.

pittspilot
December 26, 2006, 01:15 PM
Go to AR15.com and read extensively.

Then go on their equipment exchange and buy.

MikeH
December 26, 2006, 01:30 PM
Am I the only one still suffering from post-election paranoia? The first answer that came to my mind was "buy one that has all the evil features." :banghead:

Bazooka Joe71
December 26, 2006, 01:48 PM
MikeH,

You are not the only one buddy. I just bought my first one, a CAR 15 with all the evil features, and now im looking to get something a with more range...And as many 30 rd mags as I can....And an extra lower or 3 :evil:

RockyMtnTactical
December 26, 2006, 02:29 PM
Stag (same as S&W) and RRA

Stag and S&W are not necessarily the same, they don't even use the same barrels.

That said, CMT (the parent company of Stag) makes parts for S&W, RRA, Colt...

I guess what I am saying is, you make distinctions between Colt and Stag, but they are just as much the same rifle as the Stag and the S&W, or the Stag and the RRA...

Reginhild
December 26, 2006, 08:31 PM
I believe MatthewVanitas gave very good info above. I will expound on his comments:

Hunting:
.223 is good for varmit hunting but is banned for Deer and medium game in many States as being too underpowered.
6.5 Grendel can be used for medium game and long distance hunting
6.8 SPC can be used for medium game
.50 Beowulf can be used for large game

Target:
.223 is highly accurate at close to medium ranges
6.5 Grendel is accurate out to very long range

Plinking:
.223 will be most cost effective unless you reload in one of the other rounds above
The alternative for plinking and an advantage of the AR platform is to have more than one upper for your lower receiver.

My recommendation: 6.5 Grendel as a hunting and target shooting round - it has an extended range advantage over other cartridges available and is extremely accurate with a recorded 1.19" five round group recorded at 660 yards. If you want to do a lot of plinking, either get reloading equipment or an inexpensive .223 upper receiver to go with your 6.5 Grendel. If you want Big Game capability, I recommend the .50 Beowulf as the most cost effective big bore AR upper.

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